How mental is this! Twincharged cvh fiesta
11-10-2010, 08:32 PM
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How mental is this! Twincharged cvh fiesta
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ford-Fiesta-XR...item4153042b1f
Engine was apparently Chris Todds, i think he now has a subaru engine in his fiesta????
Any how, nice power curve!! This with a t34 etc would be fecking rude
God i want to do it lol
Rob
Engine was apparently Chris Todds, i think he now has a subaru engine in his fiesta????
Any how, nice power curve!! This with a t34 etc would be fecking rude
God i want to do it lol
Rob
11-10-2010, 09:15 PM
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yer chris todds old engine was in the back of his mk1 super sport befor he went scooby powered, fucking mental in the fiesta
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...dd+fiesta&aq=f
first few vids
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...dd+fiesta&aq=f
first few vids
12-10-2010, 10:14 AM
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So its 1900 CVH....... with 1800CVH Crank....... (GOD KNOWS WHAT RODS, I JUST HOPE ITS NOT 1800CVH). Then NOS, TURBO & SUPERCHARGED.
Still has less power than decent 1600CVH engine.
240bhp with less than 300lbft
How much money spent to do all this...... Where is the value for money?
Dont see what so good?
Still has less power than decent 1600CVH engine.
240bhp with less than 300lbft
How much money spent to do all this...... Where is the value for money?
Dont see what so good?
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12-10-2010, 10:20 AM
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uhhh the power curve. Its only at 18psi with a 285T cam.
Take any 250bhp rst dyno and compare it and i think the difference will be apparent, its area under the curve that really makes for a decent road car, no doubt a peaky small power band could suit a race/drag car.
Take D4's power curve for example, pretty shit for a road car by any ones standards, a supercharger would fill in the massive gap between 1000rpm and 5000rpm.
Come on mate, how many of your 240 brake engines make over 300lb.ft? none i would imagine.
Rob,
Take any 250bhp rst dyno and compare it and i think the difference will be apparent, its area under the curve that really makes for a decent road car, no doubt a peaky small power band could suit a race/drag car.
Take D4's power curve for example, pretty shit for a road car by any ones standards, a supercharger would fill in the massive gap between 1000rpm and 5000rpm.
240bhp with less than 300lbft
Rob,
Last edited by Rob_DOHC; 12-10-2010 at 10:28 AM.
12-10-2010, 10:28 AM
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uhhh the power curve. Its only at 18psi with a 285T cam.
Take any 250bhp rst dyno and compare it and i think the difference will be apparent, its area under the curve that really makes for a decent road car, no doubt a peaky small power band could suit a race/drag car.
Take D4's power curve for example.
Rob,
Take any 250bhp rst dyno and compare it and i think the difference will be apparent, its area under the curve that really makes for a decent road car, no doubt a peaky small power band could suit a race/drag car.
Take D4's power curve for example.
Rob,
Its cool, but its not really a cash or time efficeient way of making a pretty mediocre amount of power really.
Not having a go, I do like it from the point of view of an engineering exercise, but why add a supercharger to acheive what you can more easily acheieve with a 16 head and some more cc instead?
12-10-2010, 10:32 AM
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based on what mate, im not defending it. I do think the concept is pretty mental, just like i think a mid engined nova is pretty mental
How good? well i think it looks pretty damn good as a concept, not sure where you got the how good quote from either lol, compare it with a lot of 250 bhp power curves and i think it looks pretty good, not the best and probably not as good as it could be, i would certainly have kept the 1600 but that just personal opinion. I don't have a car that runs 12 second 1/ 4's with only 240 bhp either.
Rob,
How good? well i think it looks pretty damn good as a concept, not sure where you got the how good quote from either lol, compare it with a lot of 250 bhp power curves and i think it looks pretty good, not the best and probably not as good as it could be, i would certainly have kept the 1600 but that just personal opinion. I don't have a car that runs 12 second 1/ 4's with only 240 bhp either.
Rob,
Last edited by Rob_DOHC; 12-10-2010 at 10:37 AM.
12-10-2010, 10:35 AM
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Zetec lump for less hassle and less weight and less money would give better results.
Its cool, but its not really a cash or time efficeient way of making a pretty mediocre amount of power really.
Not having a go, I do like it from the point of view of an engineering exercise, but why add a supercharger to acheive what you can more easily acheieve with a 16 head and some more cc instead?
Its cool, but its not really a cash or time efficeient way of making a pretty mediocre amount of power really.
Not having a go, I do like it from the point of view of an engineering exercise, but why add a supercharger to acheive what you can more easily acheieve with a 16 head and some more cc instead?
You give a zetec turbo as an example....
What would a zetec turbo dyno curve look like with a gt35 and a decent supercharger..... i think it would look fucking awesome.
Rob,
12-10-2010, 10:38 AM
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With modern GT turbos, there just isnt any need to compound charge unless you are going for massive specific outputs.
450bhp on a gt3071 from a 2 litre engine is pretty simple, and spools up so quick that when I map them I normally have to limit the boost at lower rpm to avoid making too much torque.
For 400bhp per litre I can see lots of benefits in compound charging, for 150bhp a litre or whatever I really cant!
its solving a problem that shouldnt exist in the first place if you are needing a surpercharger to remove lag on an engine with so little power in the first place!
450bhp on a gt3071 from a 2 litre engine is pretty simple, and spools up so quick that when I map them I normally have to limit the boost at lower rpm to avoid making too much torque.
For 400bhp per litre I can see lots of benefits in compound charging, for 150bhp a litre or whatever I really cant!
its solving a problem that shouldnt exist in the first place if you are needing a surpercharger to remove lag on an engine with so little power in the first place!
12-10-2010, 10:45 AM
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Any 1900 i have put my management system onto makes 300lbft easy and almost the same BHP, thats using a SHIT 1800cvh crank and SHIT 1800cvh Rods from a specialist engine builder that should of closed down years ago selling this crap.
A similar engine i build with different rods and cosworth racing pistons makes 280bhp still on 1600bore size.
My std piston 1600cvh made 264bhp with 265lbft with 4x4 Compressor wheel and Housing on a T3 core.
So like i said before the value for money makes this not such a great result.
12-10-2010, 10:51 AM
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Im not sure if the engine is compound charged Chip, as it has a change over valve. And im assuming that it isn't.
The gt30 is a massive step forward in terms of better response and less lag... but it will never be as responsive as a good supercharger making boost from tick-over... granted a supercharger will never be as efficient but they definitely have merit.
I don't really want to get into the who supercharger vs turbo charger argument as thats not really what this was about.
Rob,
The gt30 is a massive step forward in terms of better response and less lag... but it will never be as responsive as a good supercharger making boost from tick-over... granted a supercharger will never be as efficient but they definitely have merit.
I don't really want to get into the who supercharger vs turbo charger argument as thats not really what this was about.
Rob,
12-10-2010, 10:56 AM
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Your missing the point mate
Its not about peak power, thats what the turbo is for, its about power made before the turbo is on boost, as soon as the turbo's output boost pressure matches or betters the superchargers the valve switches over.
Read what i said mate, i think the power output (max) is shit, but show me a power curve of your standard engine or one of your 1900's and we can compare the two.
Lol, i think i know who your talking about.
Rob,
Any 1900 i have put my management system onto makes 300lbft easy and almost the same BHP,
Read what i said mate, i think the power output (max) is shit, but show me a power curve of your standard engine or one of your 1900's and we can compare the two.
thats using a SHIT 1800cvh crank and SHIT 1800cvh Rods from a specialist engine builder that should of closed down years ago selling this crap.
Rob,
13-10-2010, 04:59 PM
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I do agree with Jano.
the specs are
With NOS, 271 BHP / 308 lbs ft Torque
Without NOS, 242 BHP / 260 lbs ft Torque
So the 240bhp pulling 300 lbs ft torque is not correct.When i looked at this,i thought exactly the same.All that money spent for poor results.Nice motor and everything but with the amount of effort gone into it,your not getting the results!
I also agree with rob on the boost curve.But still could be better on power.Even saying that the car would shift very fast in a tin can like that.
the specs are
With NOS, 271 BHP / 308 lbs ft Torque
Without NOS, 242 BHP / 260 lbs ft Torque
So the 240bhp pulling 300 lbs ft torque is not correct.When i looked at this,i thought exactly the same.All that money spent for poor results.Nice motor and everything but with the amount of effort gone into it,your not getting the results!
I also agree with rob on the boost curve.But still could be better on power.Even saying that the car would shift very fast in a tin can like that.
13-10-2010, 05:48 PM
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it aint to bad thow what rst does 240bhp and 260lbs on a t3 with only 18psi .... ive seen stage3 t3's at 23psi only do 220bhp..... and not making boost till 3.5-4k rpm
although must have cost a fortune to do .... would have been better off with anti lag
although must have cost a fortune to do .... would have been better off with anti lag
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13-10-2010, 05:59 PM
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All that work and not five minutes taken to update the DVLA with the correct engine size, making it completely illegal on the roads.
Go on flame me again for pointing this out. Ill just laugh my ass off when I see those same flamers spitting feathers about insurance renewal costs.
Go on flame me again for pointing this out. Ill just laugh my ass off when I see those same flamers spitting feathers about insurance renewal costs.
13-10-2010, 06:05 PM
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All that work and not five minutes taken to update the DVLA with the correct engine size, making it completely illegal on the roads.
Go on flame me again for pointing this out. Ill just laugh my ass off when I see those same flamers spitting feathers about insurance renewal costs.
Go on flame me again for pointing this out. Ill just laugh my ass off when I see those same flamers spitting feathers about insurance renewal costs.
13-10-2010, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mattseries2 in relation to high insurance premiums
Try adrian flux mate, im in the same boat as you as im only 20. Insuring my erst early this year every company on Compare was 2k+
Originally Posted by mattseries2 after someone pointed out just one example of a car that causes these increases in insurance premiums
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All that work and not five minutes taken to update the DVLA with the correct engine size, making it completely illegal on the roads.
Go on flame me again for pointing this out. Ill just laugh my ass off when I see those same flamers spitting feathers about insurance renewal costs.
Go on flame me again for pointing this out. Ill just laugh my ass off when I see those same flamers spitting feathers about insurance renewal costs.
plus, personally, to me, you are becoming as fuckin annoying as that go compare insurance advert bloke!!!
13-10-2010, 06:56 PM
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All that work and not five minutes taken to update the DVLA with the correct engine size, making it completely illegal on the roads.
Go on flame me again for pointing this out. Ill just laugh my ass off when I see those same flamers spitting feathers about insurance renewal costs.
Go on flame me again for pointing this out. Ill just laugh my ass off when I see those same flamers spitting feathers about insurance renewal costs.
Mate, just fucking drop it. Surprisingly i actually agree with you and agree that the dvla should be informed, i don't agree with anything that voids insurance.
You've been banging on for fucking ages and its just boring, i know its wrong, you do, every one does. No matter how much i tell my bird the cats a cunt (which it definitely is) she still thinks its a person, it won't make my life any better by saying it over and over again, or in fact as you are doing, interrupting a strangers conversation to tell them too.
Seriously the cat is a cunt.
Why don't you start your own thread and discuss it? and maybe stop ruining ours?.
Rob,
13-10-2010, 07:09 PM
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Feel free to have a look at the DVLA website which allows public enquiries on information held by the DVLA.
None of this is private information, indeed there is no disclaimer or notice to this effect. Why? Because people can walk down the street and read number plates and makes of cars as they wish (or look at pictures of them on the net).
As they are used on public roads, the basic information is provided frely to the public.
If you want to try and lecture me about the data protection act or other legal issues surrounding data - feel free to go away and get a fucking clue about it first.
Obviously some people think this is all a bit of fun. Ill not bother posting this up in future, Ill just get them all reported to the DVLA instead. Lets see how funny it is when they come a calling for road tax evasion.
13-10-2010, 07:09 PM
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I do agree with Jano.
the specs are
With NOS, 271 BHP / 308 lbs ft Torque
Without NOS, 242 BHP / 260 lbs ft Torque
So the 240bhp pulling 300 lbs ft torque is not correct.When i looked at this,i thought exactly the same.All that money spent for poor results.Nice motor and everything but with the amount of effort gone into it,your not getting the results!
I also agree with rob on the boost curve.But still could be better on power.Even saying that the car would shift very fast in a tin can like that.
the specs are
With NOS, 271 BHP / 308 lbs ft Torque
Without NOS, 242 BHP / 260 lbs ft Torque
So the 240bhp pulling 300 lbs ft torque is not correct.When i looked at this,i thought exactly the same.All that money spent for poor results.Nice motor and everything but with the amount of effort gone into it,your not getting the results!
I also agree with rob on the boost curve.But still could be better on power.Even saying that the car would shift very fast in a tin can like that.
I suspect that round the streets, or on a tight twisty road or from 50-70 in fifth etc, this car with only 240bhp would be faster than alot of 300bhp rsts.... think of d4's car for example.
would have been better off with anti lag
This lot have done it properly
http://www.forcedairtechnologies.com...-supercharger/
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13-10-2010, 07:22 PM
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Orly?
Feel free to have a look at the DVLA website which allows public enquiries on information held by the DVLA.
None of this is private information, indeed there is no disclaimer or notice to this effect. Why? Because people can walk down the street and read number plates and makes of cars as they wish (or look at pictures of them on the net).
As they are used on public roads, the basic information is provided frely to the public.
If you want to try and lecture me about the data protection act or other legal issues surrounding data - feel free to go away and get a fucking clue about it first.
Obviously some people think this is all a bit of fun. Ill not bother posting this up in future, Ill just get them all reported to the DVLA instead. Lets see how funny it is when they come a calling for road tax evasion.
Feel free to have a look at the DVLA website which allows public enquiries on information held by the DVLA.
None of this is private information, indeed there is no disclaimer or notice to this effect. Why? Because people can walk down the street and read number plates and makes of cars as they wish (or look at pictures of them on the net).
As they are used on public roads, the basic information is provided frely to the public.
If you want to try and lecture me about the data protection act or other legal issues surrounding data - feel free to go away and get a fucking clue about it first.
Obviously some people think this is all a bit of fun. Ill not bother posting this up in future, Ill just get them all reported to the DVLA instead. Lets see how funny it is when they come a calling for road tax evasion.
not only are u a complete soppy cunt, you waste my time with this?
u can feel free to check up and report my car to the DVLA if u see fit, reg f937 wvp
13-10-2010, 07:59 PM
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My mum loves me unlike yours...she probs thinks your a cunt just like the rest of us 
But go on check my car out...think you will fine its all legal, and im not moaning about high insurance prices i said if you shop around you will get it alot cheaper.
But go on check my car out...think you will fine its all legal, and im not moaning about high insurance prices i said if you shop around you will get it alot cheaper.
13-10-2010, 09:37 PM
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Obviously some people think this is all a bit of fun. Ill not bother posting this up in future, Ill just get them all reported to the DVLA instead. Lets see how funny it is when they come a calling for road tax evasion. 
What a fucking turnip,
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14-10-2010, 09:21 AM
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The ECU has lots of saftey regarding the ALS setup i map.
If the ACT reaches X amount the ALS will switch off.
If the ALS has been at idle for X amount of time it will switch off.
If the Exhaust temps reach X amount it will switch off.
If the water injection tank runs out it will switch off.
Thats just a few of the main triggers i use in my maps.
So you can switch it on and not worry about damaging anything as long as you use common sense to a certain degree.
this thread has gone a little off course now..
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Mate, just fucking drop it. Surprisingly i actually agree with you and agree that the dvla should be informed, i don't agree with anything that voids insurance.
You've been banging on for fucking ages and its just boring, i know its wrong, you do, every one does. No matter how much i tell my bird the cats a cunt (which it definitely is) she still thinks its a person, it won't make my life any better by saying it over and over again, or in fact as you are doing, interrupting a strangers conversation to tell them too.
Seriously the cat is a cunt.
Why don't you start your own thread and discuss it? and maybe stop ruining ours?.
Rob,
You've been banging on for fucking ages and its just boring, i know its wrong, you do, every one does. No matter how much i tell my bird the cats a cunt (which it definitely is) she still thinks its a person, it won't make my life any better by saying it over and over again, or in fact as you are doing, interrupting a strangers conversation to tell them too.
Seriously the cat is a cunt.
Why don't you start your own thread and discuss it? and maybe stop ruining ours?.
Rob,
14-10-2010, 10:52 AM
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Of course you can use ALS all the time. Use it as much as you want.
The ECU has lots of saftey regarding the ALS setup i map.
If the ACT reaches X amount the ALS will switch off.
So you can switch it on and not worry about damaging a
If the ALS has been at idle for X amount of time it will switch off.
If the Exhaust temps reach X amount it will switch off.
If the water injection tank runs out it will switch off.
Thats just a few of the main triggers i use in my maps.
So you can switch it on and not worry about damaging anything as long as you use common sense to a certain degree.
this thread has gone a little off course now..
The ECU has lots of saftey regarding the ALS setup i map.
If the ACT reaches X amount the ALS will switch off.
So you can switch it on and not worry about damaging a
If the ALS has been at idle for X amount of time it will switch off.
If the Exhaust temps reach X amount it will switch off.
If the water injection tank runs out it will switch off.
Thats just a few of the main triggers i use in my maps.
So you can switch it on and not worry about damaging anything as long as you use common sense to a certain degree.
this thread has gone a little off course now..
Sure you can have a turbo that will take als, MAR-M-247 we all know can be used, but just how long do you think a turbo lasts on a rally car?
Anti lag has its place and (at risk of sounding like the wanker above) its not on the road, just not practical. You can't disagree with that????
Rob,
14-10-2010, 11:14 AM
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Have you ever driven a car with ALS? All you keep doing is guessing by the sounds of it..
You will find that ALS temps will be pretty much the same as driving the car hard anyway. Its only when you stop for a certain amount of time that it would change. Due to lack of natural air flow which would happen if you was driving. Having ALS on the spot doesnt mean that you have loads of boost running all the time. My XR3 can run ALS at idle on the spot for ages without any heat issues. I can set the amount of boost i want and control it very well.
Look at my videos on youtube and you will hear my cars idle with ALS making no real differnce to heat etc.
I think you keep comparing it to a rally car which runs 10psi at idle with high base idle. Heat with this type of engine would be an issue and not practical on the road.
My engine and setup is practical even tho i wouldnt drive around in my XR3 with ALS on all the time as thats just asking for trouble noise wise.
You will find that ALS temps will be pretty much the same as driving the car hard anyway. Its only when you stop for a certain amount of time that it would change. Due to lack of natural air flow which would happen if you was driving. Having ALS on the spot doesnt mean that you have loads of boost running all the time. My XR3 can run ALS at idle on the spot for ages without any heat issues. I can set the amount of boost i want and control it very well.
Look at my videos on youtube and you will hear my cars idle with ALS making no real differnce to heat etc.
I think you keep comparing it to a rally car which runs 10psi at idle with high base idle. Heat with this type of engine would be an issue and not practical on the road.
My engine and setup is practical even tho i wouldnt drive around in my XR3 with ALS on all the time as thats just asking for trouble noise wise.