what tuners in essex/london area?
01-09-2010, 05:30 PM
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what tuners in essex/london area?
Hey all.Can anyone tell me any decent tuners who can set up my rs turbo with mf2 5Th injector? As many wont touch it?
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Hard to say.anything from 150Quid up woulds.Normally around 300Quid.But can get bargain sometimes.I was told 700Quid when looking but never seen them go for that much.
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02-09-2010, 09:20 AM
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Thought i give you an answer direct pal.
In my experiance "most" ERST with MFi engine managements cant run more than 200bhp even if they wanted to. Obvioulsy with money spent on making the system run more than 200bhp can be done. But the main question then is, why would you want to. Its not reliable enough.
I have tuned many ERST's with MFi to more than the power you wanted, but these cars need to be constantly maintained and checked to make sure that the fueling hasnt changed since the last setup. On some engines this takes months even a year to go out of sync, yet some others need to be tuned weekly as the metering unit changes as and when it feels like it.
A good example is a customers car Matt. He has around 200bhp with all the normal mods that we do from cam intercooler turbo etc etc.. He works in Romford and comes to my yard a few times a week just passing, every time he does we quickly have a check of his AFR. 9 out of ten times its changed, not just a little but from having 3.5% to under 1%. I have told him many times to hunt a different metering unit out so he can have faith that his fueling wont change. The point of this story is that if i gave him more boost and he had more than 200bhp, then one day while his wizzing around, foot to the floor and his fueling drops too low he has more chance of doing serious damage with just that "little" extra boost that wasnt really worth having. Now you could say that this will happen with any boost if the fueling is out. But the more boost you run the more damage it will do. MFi is a great system and used on many engines of all kinds. But if the designers wanted it to run more than the 7psi-12psi they would of used bigger injectors and components to allow this to happen. Many years ago before i fitted weber to my own engine i used audi injectors with parts from merc on the metering unit to allow this to work and run decent amount of boost. It was ok but still never reliable.
Another way to explain this, my engine now running with a P8 ECU runs out of duty on the injectors with 18psi of boost. I run green 803's which a Cosworth YB engine can get 350bhp with. On the 8v CVH engine its around 260-270bhp depending how good your head is and turbo etc. The next step is Light blue or Grey injectors. How do you expect an MFi metering unit to work and allow this amount of fuel?
The same 8v engine mentioned above that Mat has with an EFi system, setup and in tune should not change the fueling whatever happens. So once i have set it up and happy with the way it drives and uses the fuel supplied the amount off boost is then down to how good the engine is. NOT how good the management is.
So its down to how good your MFi system is to how much boost you can run safely. Would you rather have loads of boost for X amount of time. Or a good powerfull ERST with an engine that will last.
I hope this explains a little about the way i see things. Any questions just ask.
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02-09-2010, 11:08 AM
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ive had this same thing i had a erst that had the metering unit modded by nms and could run 23psi but it would always be going out of tune ect....
but ive had a normal erst with stage 3 t3 and cam , fmic ect and at 200/210 your just running it lean at the top to stop it running to rich low down ... i always say to people mfi is great upto around 200bhp but any more just go efi
but ive had a normal erst with stage 3 t3 and cam , fmic ect and at 200/210 your just running it lean at the top to stop it running to rich low down ... i always say to people mfi is great upto around 200bhp but any more just go efi
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Thanks for the info Jano.Thats why im going to run the Fifth injector to hopefully stop the leaning out.Your the expert end of day but im sure running the extra injector will stop leaning out? Im happy to pop to my local tuner to keep eye on my afr on monthly basis if i had to.Ive been told the fueling gets turned down on metering head and allows the extra injector to take control when on boost,so the mfi system not on its limits.Im currently running 196Bhp on standard cam.
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anyway,question is would you tune my car jano? Im not after anymore than 220Bhp due to bottom end.Id be happy to take it to you.If not then ill go to another tuner.cheers
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essexrst- why dont u just efi it, then u can have it nicely set up and then be done with it and just use it. Doesnt necessarily cost much either, u could use 2nd hand fiesta turbo management. Also your engine bay will be a million times neater and less cluttered with that horrible big ugly metering unit gone.
05-09-2010, 04:38 PM
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all depends on which efi set up you use.
I spent around Ł1400 in the end for cossie management, with wasted spark conversion, every sensor brand new
I spent around Ł1400 in the end for cossie management, with wasted spark conversion, every sensor brand new
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Thought i give you an answer direct pal.
In my experiance "most" ERST with MFi engine managements cant run more than 200bhp even if they wanted to. Obvioulsy with money spent on making the system run more than 200bhp can be done. But the main question then is, why would you want to. Its not reliable enough.
I have tuned many ERST's with MFi to more than the power you wanted, but these cars need to be constantly maintained and checked to make sure that the fueling hasnt changed since the last setup. On some engines this takes months even a year to go out of sync, yet some others need to be tuned weekly as the metering unit changes as and when it feels like it.
A good example is a customers car Matt. He has around 200bhp with all the normal mods that we do from cam intercooler turbo etc etc.. He works in Romford and comes to my yard a few times a week just passing, every time he does we quickly have a check of his AFR. 9 out of ten times its changed, not just a little but from having 3.5% to under 1%. I have told him many times to hunt a different metering unit out so he can have faith that his fueling wont change. The point of this story is that if i gave him more boost and he had more than 200bhp, then one day while his wizzing around, foot to the floor and his fueling drops too low he has more chance of doing serious damage with just that "little" extra boost that wasnt really worth having. Now you could say that this will happen with any boost if the fueling is out. But the more boost you run the more damage it will do. MFi is a great system and used on many engines of all kinds. But if the designers wanted it to run more than the 7psi-12psi they would of used bigger injectors and components to allow this to happen. Many years ago before i fitted weber to my own engine i used audi injectors with parts from merc on the metering unit to allow this to work and run decent amount of boost. It was ok but still never reliable.
Another way to explain this, my engine now running with a P8 ECU runs out of duty on the injectors with 18psi of boost. I run green 803's which a Cosworth YB engine can get 350bhp with. On the 8v CVH engine its around 260-270bhp depending how good your head is and turbo etc. The next step is Light blue or Grey injectors. How do you expect an MFi metering unit to work and allow this amount of fuel?
The same 8v engine mentioned above that Mat has with an EFi system, setup and in tune should not change the fueling whatever happens. So once i have set it up and happy with the way it drives and uses the fuel supplied the amount off boost is then down to how good the engine is. NOT how good the management is.
So its down to how good your MFi system is to how much boost you can run safely. Would you rather have loads of boost for X amount of time. Or a good powerfull ERST with an engine that will last.
I hope this explains a little about the way i see things. Any questions just ask.
Regards
Jano
In my experiance "most" ERST with MFi engine managements cant run more than 200bhp even if they wanted to. Obvioulsy with money spent on making the system run more than 200bhp can be done. But the main question then is, why would you want to. Its not reliable enough.
I have tuned many ERST's with MFi to more than the power you wanted, but these cars need to be constantly maintained and checked to make sure that the fueling hasnt changed since the last setup. On some engines this takes months even a year to go out of sync, yet some others need to be tuned weekly as the metering unit changes as and when it feels like it.
A good example is a customers car Matt. He has around 200bhp with all the normal mods that we do from cam intercooler turbo etc etc.. He works in Romford and comes to my yard a few times a week just passing, every time he does we quickly have a check of his AFR. 9 out of ten times its changed, not just a little but from having 3.5% to under 1%. I have told him many times to hunt a different metering unit out so he can have faith that his fueling wont change. The point of this story is that if i gave him more boost and he had more than 200bhp, then one day while his wizzing around, foot to the floor and his fueling drops too low he has more chance of doing serious damage with just that "little" extra boost that wasnt really worth having. Now you could say that this will happen with any boost if the fueling is out. But the more boost you run the more damage it will do. MFi is a great system and used on many engines of all kinds. But if the designers wanted it to run more than the 7psi-12psi they would of used bigger injectors and components to allow this to happen. Many years ago before i fitted weber to my own engine i used audi injectors with parts from merc on the metering unit to allow this to work and run decent amount of boost. It was ok but still never reliable.
Another way to explain this, my engine now running with a P8 ECU runs out of duty on the injectors with 18psi of boost. I run green 803's which a Cosworth YB engine can get 350bhp with. On the 8v CVH engine its around 260-270bhp depending how good your head is and turbo etc. The next step is Light blue or Grey injectors. How do you expect an MFi metering unit to work and allow this amount of fuel?
The same 8v engine mentioned above that Mat has with an EFi system, setup and in tune should not change the fueling whatever happens. So once i have set it up and happy with the way it drives and uses the fuel supplied the amount off boost is then down to how good the engine is. NOT how good the management is.
So its down to how good your MFi system is to how much boost you can run safely. Would you rather have loads of boost for X amount of time. Or a good powerfull ERST with an engine that will last.
I hope this explains a little about the way i see things. Any questions just ask.
Regards
Jano
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05-09-2010, 05:25 PM
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i recond it will work out around Ł800 as i think a mate of mine has a couple of sets of injectors cheap.
and i could proberley get ian ball at power engineering to do it alittle cheaper as a favour to me
but with a cam and intercooler there is no reason you wont get that power with that set up,,,, but you will need a good clutch ( i have a ap 4 paddle aswel lol)
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cheers mark m8 wil l definately b goin efi i next spring for central day thanks for goin outta ur way for us just put a new luk clutch in at the mo but if u still have the ap or any thing similar will have it off u in a flash m8
05-09-2010, 05:46 PM
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ive just done efi conversion on my xr3i make sure ubget every thing, absoutely everything from the frst all the sensors everything! luckly jano had a ACT sensor and karlod G had CPS sensoror id have been stuffed
06-09-2010, 09:10 AM
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Few things to think about..
FRST parts are harder to find in good working condition, and there is not many ways to know for sure they work in the first place. Buying new sensors are not options either.
A FRST ECU uses a T25 Turbo with 2bar map sensor. So fitted to anything other than that will never be right unless you have a custom map done. This costs around 500quid.
Once anyone does an EFi converion with FRST parts you cant connect it to any hardware to get readings back from the ECU to know its all correct.
FRST uses a Batch firing system which is very crude if trying to get good results from your engine. If you only want EFi then fine just fit it and hope for the best. If you want power and reliablity then sell it off and buy a decent system to start with..
In the long run from my experiance with people doing these conversions it works out a little more to have weber which will never lose value and will work 100% to the max your engine can produce.
Regards
Jano
FRST parts are harder to find in good working condition, and there is not many ways to know for sure they work in the first place. Buying new sensors are not options either.
A FRST ECU uses a T25 Turbo with 2bar map sensor. So fitted to anything other than that will never be right unless you have a custom map done. This costs around 500quid.
Once anyone does an EFi converion with FRST parts you cant connect it to any hardware to get readings back from the ECU to know its all correct.
FRST uses a Batch firing system which is very crude if trying to get good results from your engine. If you only want EFi then fine just fit it and hope for the best. If you want power and reliablity then sell it off and buy a decent system to start with..
In the long run from my experiance with people doing these conversions it works out a little more to have weber which will never lose value and will work 100% to the max your engine can produce.
Regards
Jano
06-09-2010, 04:55 PM
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cheers jano for some good advice never thought of it like thatso for a brand new set up how much roughly wud i b lookin at i know u cannot give me a dierect price but how much as a guide line and can i contact u else where to get ifo to book it in nxt spring
so for a brand new set up how much roughly wud i b lookin at i know u cannot give me a dierect price but how much as a guide line and can i contact u else where to get ifo to book it in nxt spring
08-09-2010, 12:14 AM
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Im ok guys.Im happy with my mfi set up so far.I'm a person who likes to be different.Maybe one day i will see the light you all see.
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