liam-rst

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me is thinkin a case of pot, kettle an black here

Dar-rst

i can only see what you wrote

milesy23rst

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I have run pace half width intercoolers up to 190-200bhp and they run too high act's but up to around 13-14psi they are fine and do the job, imo you would be better off with a front mount say from airtec as they are very good value for money if you are going for 200bhp just my opinion, and for christ sake people grow up its like a school bloody playground!!!!!

T28 RST

I ran a consistant 200 - 205 ATW for 4 years with my 1.6 cvh which ran 16psi

Oranoco

Using what turbo etc?

Ok, I acknowledge that perhaps I should have used a bit more clarity in my initial post as I was being a little vague.

Come on though guys we all know the amount of people with a chipped RS Turbo that claim 200bhp when in reality the figure is typically more like 170bhp. On a generic 1600cc CVH RS Turbo running 16psi I would expect to be seeing a figure of around 180-190bhp. Would you not agree?

JamboRS

where did he say he had a chipped rs???
u made an assumption and was wrong.

davie ran a t28 turbo and i ran a stg3 t3,his 16psi mines 17,so your comment about it being impossible is not correct

u bumming oranaco?

T28 RST

AVA only give wheel figures

This was my spec

1600 cc
Stage 2 big valve head (ported and polished)
Newman cam, solid lifters
Piper vernier
wire ringed block
Lowered compression(7.5:1)
ARP conrod Bolts
AVA ecu with 7000rpm limiter
AVA modified MFI fuel system
AVA high flow tubular manifold
T28 turbo + 360 bearing
Reshaped cosworth front pipe
AVA Large capacity intercooler
Magnex exhaust
Modified airbox
AP 4 paddle clutch

rstdave

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Good old passion argumental thread lol

JamboRS

i agree,what he said is correct about the chipped rs bit,but what relevance did it have to what turbocabessex said,none,he siad he had 226 @16psi and oranaco said thats impossible on a 1600.doubted his figure in other words then you butted in and started sticking up for oranaco when clearly he was in the wrong

he was wrong to assume, he was wrong to say its impossible to get that power on 16psi,he was also wrong when replied that it may not be a cvh as cvh's can make that power at that boost as me and davie have shown,he was correct that a basic rst makes 170-180bhp on 16psi.so he's correct on something that has nothing to do with this thread or the argument with turbocabessex

Oranoco

And because he is defending my view point he's bumming me? I'm quite happy to discuss the viewpoints without letting the level of things drop to that found in a school playground.

The only thing, as far as I'm concerned I'm in the wrong for, is making the assumption we were talking about a 1600CVH and a Pace intercooler.

The whole point to this is making sure the thread poster gets the best advice possible. In my experience a double capacity Pace intercooler is not a good investment for the guy. Can you honestly say you would recomend otherwise?

JamboRS

you want to discuss now when your first post didnt look like it was open for discussion

no u were wrong to say its impossible to get 226bhp with 16psi,whether thats cvh or not it makes no difference as they can do that power with that boost

i would recommend a pace double capacity for std boost anything above that id recommend a bigger cooler

ROB7656

ive always been led to belive the pace half width is ideal for 12 psi anything above could be risking it.

JamboRS

eh?i was looking at this thread to comment then noticed you and oranaco ganging up so i just even the teams out am always up for an argument
seriously look back and tell me what this guy has actually said for you to comment,i dont see anything in his reply to warrant you buttin in and your reply was unjust,usual pf posse im afraid.sorry am no in the click but i say what i see

"I am sure all YOUR questions u can ever ask power wise aswell"

i dont understand that,i only know english sorry,but if you translate ill try and answer that aswell

JamboRS

id say 12psi is prob the max id want to run through it,there a great replacement for a std car running std boost and maybe want to upgrade but not raise boost levels,but asking a product to do something its not designed to do then saying its shit cos it doesnt do it.
also not just the pace,the pro alloy DC is the same,we seen over 70 degrees at 14psi on the rollers.not ideal

Ad4m RST

Fair enough defending the guy but I thought exactly the same when I read his post...most people claiming reasonably big power will back it up with main parts of their spec. 226hp @ 16psi is do-able but I'm goin to take a shot in the dark and say his spec wasn't half as good as yours or Davies were.

Add to that he's meant to have made it on this old skool Pace interwarmer? bit of a reach...

Wouldn't mind seeing the 226hp graph TBH

JamboRS

until i see a spec/graph ill reserve judgement.but for all we know this could be a well specced 300bhp motor being choked to death by a pace and thats why its running only 16psi or on the other scale as oranaco says it could be a std car with nothing more than a chip and cooler,but oranaco shot him down and at least if your going to shoot him down do it with a statement thats true.

Oranoco

Which is obviously just peachy for making 200+bhp ATW. It would follow the logic that at a higher pressure the inlet temps would be higher still.

So my comment stands with 220+bhp on that cooler with a 1600 CVH. Both of you claiming the figures at those boost pressures were not running the double capacity coolers were you.

And reading your comments it would seem fairly obvious that you too would not recomend this cooler on a 200bhp car. Or are you going to say otherwise?

liam-rst

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2.0 zvh
turbosystems chip
ported, polished an gas flowed big valve head
kent cvh 35 cam/ solid followers
lightened/balanced crank
ported polished inlet/throttle body
t34/collins -31 actuator
5th injector set up
PACE DOUBLE CAPACITY COOLER
226bhp/193lb/ft

ill dig graph out an get it scanned an up

like i said classic case of kno it alls who couldnt poss be wrong

liam-rst

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and again u pop up when not even bein spoken to, go away fella

liam-rst

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answer to wot? not bein a cvh? it was a bloody zvh usin all normal rst induction so its perfectly relevant, and as said it was MY OLD CAR so how can i be insecure about somethin i no longer own?
your the one who has no point!!!!

T28 RST

S1 JOHN S1

What is the spec of your car, must be fairy good to make 247HP on MFI with a 5TH injector @ 20psi.

Oranoco

It's a different type of engine and of a different capacity so it's not perfectly relevent. I made a logical assumption that you had a CVH seeing as we were talking RS Turbo's. You're entitled to your opinion on the intercooler but simply saying you were running 220+ on it without highlighting certain things was at best slightly misleading. All that was required from yourself was a simple comment to say it wasn't a CVH and that would have cleared the matter up instantly.

Anyway, I can't be bothered to argue on the internet, life's to short and I've got work to be getting on with. Oh and it's Friday so I'm looking forward to hitting the pub

JamboRS

wasnt my car that ran a DC,was my mates and it made 176@wheels(circa 200fly)

this is your quote of what u said,read it and absorb it

can u get it through your head that 226bhp is possible on a 1600 with 16psi,as me and davie have shown,unless ur assuming again that i should know you meant with a DC cooler.but you never mentioned that.so maybe you should have wrote using a DC cooler and stop assuming

for the 2nd time i would not recommend this cooler to anyone above std boost,12psi at a push,depends on how its driven i suppose,whether thats 200bhp or 400bhp it makes no difference,power is irrelevant.

i may also add that my mates pro alloy DC which produced over 70 degrees on the rollers had some bumper mods to give the cooler more airflow and got the act's down to 55,which again isnt the best but its airflow which is the DC's biggest downfall,nearly all of it is covered.


no one mentioned cvh,the thread starter didnt mention cvh,he may have a zt block as far as we know,you and oranaco were the ones that brought cvh into it,the thread starter asked if its good for 200bhp,no mention of engine size.

get a graph up mate to i get a gander.torque looks very low for some reason
do kent have a solid profile cam?i thought the cvh35 was a hydraulic

Ad4m RST

Munching my words...

Quality spec mate, if anything I'd expect more than 230hp lol...definitely more torque. That literally only wanted for a big intercooler init?

Oranoco

JamboRST, you seem under the misguided impression I actually care too much about any of this. I couldn't care less beyond making sure the thread starter gets the best advice possible. I was vague in my initial comment and for that I was in the wrong and happy to acknowledge so.


No nobody mentioned CVH but given as that is the standard type of engine in these cars is it not a fair assumption to make, if not told otherwise, that this is the engine that's in there?

Anyway, matey and I aren't bothered about it and are happy to put it down to slightly crossed wires so it only seems to be you that wants to keep going, knock yourself out mate, I'm off to the pub

RS1HEN

i thought i was reading about a pace cooler


...how wrong was i


lol

liam-rst

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i only ever had it set up to run it in an sold the car before i cout get a proper r/r session, the kent came with hydraulic but burtons said with the spec id be better runnin solid followers so i did

Ad4m RST

Fair enough, I've had a couple ZVH's and know how much power they make without too much boost, always ran a front mount though, one was 236hp @ 1bar.

Yeah had to be solid lifters, I've only run the Kent 34 cam got told the 35 was a bit high end on the power.

liam-rst

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it was the only 1 ive ever had tbh, i only built as i put a con rod through the block an my mate had a 36k zetec out a mondy auto an give it to me, already had the dc cooler from when it had the cvh in it, i built it, had it set up the once on a safety set up, drove it around for bout 3 months inc the track at ford fair an a rwyb day at brands an it never missed a single beat, yh the cvh 35 i did find a bit lumpy tho

Micky

I know british summers are cold,but how you did'nt get Ign retard at FF is amazing!! Micky