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Old Jan 27, 2010 | 08:06 PM
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Default Pace doubble capacity intercooler.

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What have you for coments of this intercooler? I know its not the best IC for the ERST but is it good for 200 HP?

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Old Jan 27, 2010 | 08:15 PM
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i had one on my rs, was fine mate seemed to work fine and mine was runing about 176bhp at 15psi
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Old Jan 27, 2010 | 08:29 PM
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yh m8 my old rst was 226 seemed fine
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Old Jan 27, 2010 | 09:26 PM
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most people on here will say only any good on standard boost, if the bost is increased the struggle to keep the acts down to a good level
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Old Jan 27, 2010 | 09:38 PM
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if your not going to run much more boost than say 14 - 18 psi then i would stick with a double capacity intercooler as it will keep the response from the turbo better than say a fmic. but if you are going to run more boost than that then i would look at changing to a fmic. the pace ones are good and i know several people that were running them on 200bhp+ with no problems, did notice the cooler swell on the ends due to the amount of boost it was pushing through!
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Old Jan 27, 2010 | 11:31 PM
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Pace double capacity can't cope with anything much above stock boost. I ran one on my old spec at 18psi and it was seriously underperforming. I made 199bhp on the rollers at SCA in Norwich and the operator commented that the ACT's were off the scale. Even running it alongside water injection didn't drop th etemps to an acceptable level. Since fitting the full width Pace I now run the car at 26psi and the ACT's never seem to exceed 40°C unless I'm being an animal on track.

Honestly mate I would recomend you do the job right first time out and fit something like a GRS/Radtec/Pace full width or even an Airtec front mount. There's nothing more annoying than having to pay out a second time because you purchased the wrong kit

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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 12:39 AM
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From my personal experience they are rubbish.Running 18 psi on track and within 2 mins the ACT was over 70c!!You could feel the power draining away as the Ign was being retarded.Unless you only give youre car the odd blast in Maccie D's carpark I'd keep well away.Total waste of money/time and effort in fitting one. Micky
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 05:03 AM
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No better than standard
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 06:35 AM
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no better than standard at 15psi +, agreed.
fine as a better cooler for upto that though imo- good for about 180/185bhp- felt alot better at 14psi than my standard one ever did so to say its no better is rubbish, its just no substitute for a frount mount at higher pressure.
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Oranoco
Pace double capacity can't cope with anything much above stock boost. I ran one on my old spec at 18psi and it was seriously underperforming.
stock boost is around 9-10psi, you running 18psi wasn't exactly close to that, if someone who wants to run around 15psi, dont you think a fmic would be an massive overkill?
i agree if your going to run 18psi and above then no way it can't cope but that nearly doubling the boost capacity of a stock intercooler.
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as prev said i was runnin 226 in my old rst @ 16psi an never reall had any trouble, did get act's a lil hot on track but not that bad, as i had it as a every day driver i worked really well imho
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Originally Posted by morph
stock boost is around 9-10psi, you running 18psi wasn't exactly close to that, if someone who wants to run around 15psi, dont you think a fmic would be an massive overkill?
i agree if your going to run 18psi and above then no way it can't cope but that nearly doubling the boost capacity of a stock intercooler.
Stock boost is about 7-8psi so 15psi is near as damn it double. The car ran in several guises and at the time I added the Pace it was pretty much the only thing available. Even at 14-15psi it could only cope with short blats before the ACT's became to high and you felt the ignition being retarded I wouldn't rate the Pace item above about 12psi. I melted several ACT guage sensors on the Pace which is something I've not managed to do on the full width item despite being a hooligan.

So no I wouldn't say it was overkill at all, I would say it was buying the right kit to do the job. The small Pace intercooler just doesn't come close to cutting it expecially with the intercoolers that are on the market now. If you buy a Pace half width you can expect to be buying twice.
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by turbocabessex
as prev said i was runnin 226 in my old rst @ 16psi an never reall had any trouble, did get act's a lil hot on track but not that bad, as i had it as a every day driver i worked really well imho
16psi won't get 226bhp in a million years from a 1600 CVH, sorry mate, just not possible
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 11:18 AM
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how can it be no better then standard?? its twice the size
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Originally Posted by Oranoco
16psi won't get 226bhp in a million years from a 1600 CVH, sorry mate, just not possible
did u hear me mention anythin about it being a 1600 cvh? why try an make me look a cunt, ill scan the graph later an pm u it if your so sure im talkin shit
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 11:33 AM
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mate i noticed alot of people are like that on here, half the time cause its text you cant read it how they mean it, but other times yeah there just trying to out smart you lol
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there is just no need for it, an for all the other doubters out there
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 11:45 AM
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lmfao
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by S1 JOHN S1
Dude easy lad

All you had to say was it wasn't a 1.6

No need for name calling as oranoco didn't call name's

He simply stated the 1600 wont do them figure's

Also sorry to say this but the ERST did only ever come with a 1600turbo So before u say assuming yeah he was but that's what ERST's have in them from factory

I can't believe the way some peolpe react on here no need at all........no need!

Now let's all get along

I would have a FMIC anyday
firstly where did i call oranoco a name? secondly bein over 200 bhp would be quite obvious to me it was modded in some way shape or form so assumpion goes out the window especially as a hell of alot of rsts dont run stock engines
an as for reaction your provocin the same 1 from me,
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 11:58 AM
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all the man wants is opinions an as usual all u get is people tryin to mug other people off by lookin smarter than them
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Originally Posted by S1 JOHN S1
I meant that dude not actually call name's i am dyslexic particially so what i mean sometime doesnt come across right

Originally Posted by Oranoco
16psi won't get 226bhp in a million years from a 1600 CVH, sorry mate, just not possible
did u hear me mention anythin about it being a 1600 cvh? why try an make me look a cunt, ill scan the graph later an pm u it if your so sure im talkin shit
which means he thinks im runnin a 1.6 an chattin shit as i was only 1 who mentioned 226 bhp an your welcome to your opinion m8
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another topic, touched by the passionford know it all crew- they are right we are all wrong, bow down to them
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Originally Posted by turbocabessex
did u hear me mention anythin about it being a 1600 cvh? why try an make me look a cunt, ill scan the graph later an pm u it if your so sure im talkin shit
Wow hold up there Mr Angry. I wasn't trying to make you look like anything at all. All you needed to say is that it's not a 1600cc CVH and that would have settled the matter. Deviating from the CVH kind of undermines your findings of the intercooler. Anyway it doesn't look like I need to make you look a c*nt as you seem to have done quite a good enough job of that on your own by your stroppy response.
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Originally Posted by Chris69
another topic, touched by the passionford know it all crew- they are right we are all wrong, bow down to them
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Originally Posted by Oranoco
Wow hold up there Mr Angry. I wasn't trying to make you look like anything at all. All you needed to say is that it's not a 1600cc CVH and that would have settled the matter. Deviating from the CVH kind of undermines your findings of the intercooler. Anyway it doesn't look like I need to make you look a c*nt as you seem to have done quite a good enough job of that on your own by your stroppy response.
well as it was a zvh an retained all normal rst induction i would say it is revelant an my stroppy response was caused by the usual kno it all people whos knowledge far out weighs anyones experience
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i love this i missed EastEnders the last week but hey passion fords coming up trumps

like i said i had a double capacity pace cooler and was running 15psi and it ran fine pulled well and all that but i didn't want the car for track or bragging rights it was perfecty quick enough to slay some chavs and keep me smiling....
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Originally Posted by S1 JOHN S1

think someone might have a clinker stuck on the end of there nose!
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wots common sense here then? an butchi sorry fella i was just tryin to give u my opinion based on my experience, didnt mean to ruin the thread m8
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Originally Posted by Oranoco
16psi won't get 226bhp in a million years from a 1600 CVH, sorry mate, just not possible
am afriad that bollox mate,i ran 214@wheels,over 226@flywheel on 17psi so im sure at 1 psi less id still have made over 226@fly,still on a 1600.boost and power are not related,as you dont know what turbo he runs,16psi on a std turbo yes id say its maybe a bit much but running a stg 3 or even a t34 16psi will piss 220bhp in a zillion years never mind a million
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Originally Posted by S1 JOHN S1
Your reply and how u have made your self look like a plank TBH mate

Yeah dude sorry about the thread ruin here,But some people just could do with basic manner's

did he edit or something cos i cant see anywhere where he's made himself look like a plank or call oranaco any names???
think it was oranaco that took a swipe first and turbocabessex reply wasnt really that out of order as far as i can see.
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Originally Posted by S1 JOHN S1
Your reply and how u have made your self look like a plank TBH mate

Yeah dude sorry about the thread ruin here,But some people just could do with basic manner's

u mean like not buttin into other peoples convo an givin your unwanted opinion?
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Originally Posted by JamboRST
did he edit or something cos i cant see anywhere where he's made himself look like a plank or call oranaco any names???
think it was oranaco that took a swipe first and turbocabessex reply wasnt really that out of order as far as i can see.
thank you that man
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