sim02k

I'm getting an escort rs turbo s2 in the next few months and looking into the possibility of taking it well beyond 200bhp. In order to do this I understand that I should upgrade the brakes and suspension but is it recommended to upgrade the clutch, driveshaft and even gearbox to take the power?

Thanks a lot guys

zvhturbo29rs

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you will 100%need to upgrade the clutch to a paddle unit, im running standard driveshfts with 300bhp but never launch my car really hard so up to you.and gearbox upgrade is alot of money mate but id suggest a cts stage two. you will go through standard gearboxes so best just to get the best first time round in my opinion.

sim02k

so you think if I stay below 250 brake do you think I won't chew up any gearboxes?

smila

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get some good engine and gearbox mounts,got vibratechnics on mine,think thats how its spelled,defo put ap 4 paddle etc in,i put atandard one in and it lasted about 40mile before it started slipping!!

zvhturbo29rs

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you can get different stage gearbox from cts mate for different sums of money.each rs turbo gearbox has been drivien differently,you wont know the history of yours.and id say rs turbo gearboxes arent good over 200bhp,some people on here might of had different experiances with them but thats my opinion.

sim02k

thanks a lot man. I thought I was gonna have to give up the dream of having a 250bhp rs turbo haha. There is a company in Blackpool called Motorsport Developments I think that says they will take an RS turbo with an aftermarket filter and fuel filter and mod it to stage 2 at 200bhp for Ł1100 including rolling road tweaking. Is it worth doing that or doing it all myself?

andy130

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there very good mate stu is on this

sim02k

thanks mate, I was gonna double check cos it seemed like it was too good to be true. Which induction kit, fuel filter and exhaust system do you recommend?

an1mal_69

Getting nr 200bhp out of the RST is pretty easy. So long as the car is mechanically sound, most of the 'bolt on' bits will do the job. Exhaust, chip, cam & decent panel filter in the stock airbox. Unless the box has been refurbed is will go with the increase in power so get a spare, or keep some cash aside to get it done.

Taking it upto and over 250bhp takes a considerable chunk of wedge. IMO for a reliable 250, you would need to uprate box, pistons, rods, bearings + run on proper management

simo2k2000

How much for a gearbox rebuild before its broken to make sure everythings good?

RSTurboSI

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Mines currently running 246bhp,

Uprated Gearbox,
Uprated shafts from a motorsport rally team,
1.8 bored bottem end with pistions, conrods lightend crank.
T3 standard turbo with uprated bearings.
Full cam kit with vernia pully
Stage 3 map on chiped ECU and fully runned.
Front mount + rad from rad tec.
suspention upgragde to coilovers and spax springs.60mm
MFI fueling system but i wont gaine anymore.
its had a full rebuild and tunne. map and upgrade.
uprated engine mounts and front aintroll bar.
Racing clutch paddle, pain in traffic.
uprated fuel filter and oil.
Electornic boost controller..
uprated water+boost hoses.
Full SS mainfold back system to 2.1''

lots more, i spent around 3.5-4k

RSTurboSI

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simo2k2000

Nice car mate. If you havent already guessed im the OP's brother - we're just finding some information on the car before he buys one. Not looking forward to him getting 200bhp in such a light car. I've got a Focus ST running 271bhp and 330lb.ft so it should be interesting haha

RSandy

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dont take this the wrogn way or anything, but...

besides half of the spec making very little sense

have u got any printouts of the 246bhp? because id have to question that on a standard t3, plus im unsure how u managed to 'map' a chipped s2 ecu. and im guessing the upgraded fuel filter is mainly the fact its wrapped in a chopped up redbull can? and im pretty sure to run near that power, most people would stick with at least the most basic of 2.5" exhaust systems....

wont even mention the coilovers that u have fitted with 60mm lowering springs lol

regardless, would be interesting to see a dyno printout, especially for the thread starter, plus some more info on the 'uprated shafts and gearbox', as this is the info hes really after

adam.d

I have a chipped ECU, ported/ polished head stage 2 turbo at 18psi double capacity intercooler, 2 1/2" stainless from the turbo back, full rebuild and set up on the rollers and I only made 197bhp! I think 246 is a bit much on MFI and with standard management.

B16CVH

If you are even considering going for Big BHP, the engine is the first port of call, if it has been round the world three times then it isnt going to last, go for a fresh build using all the right components, tired engines dont last long! How many miles has it done and at what power etc??

simo2k2000

He hasnt bought anything yet we're just getting some information. I would imagine getting an engine rebuild would be wise to make sure everything is up to scratch

RSTurboSI

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i have the print out at home.. will try scan it in for you.
its with all my docs ect...

B16CVH

Oh ritey, my bad! You need to keep a spare 1k in your arse pocket if you do a standard rebuild (with a few uprated parts ARP Rodbolts etc), so bare this in mind if you do need to go down the rebuild route. I know so many who have just thought, oh fuck it and a few weeks down the line. bang, then its a case of having to replace everything else as it has scrapped the lot!

Turbocabbie

I think 246 is very optimistic on MFI myself from experience.
I personally think the realistic maximum on a few good MFI systems is 220 bhp and to exceed that you have to change management or run a fifth injector.

I had to change management to get that kind of figure

Ad4m RST

Where did you get it dyno'd mate?

RSTurboSI

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street racer's in Leic, NottinghamShire.

RSTurboSI

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i dont have a standard escort ECU thats the point.

and its running 16psi... its going in for a nuther rr next month as the last one was summer last year.. but im going to be scaning in my old rr probs tonight

Turbocabbie

im just going by what you stated.

You stated the above, and considering you went into such specifics to inform us that the water hoses are uprated, I do not believe you would have neglected to inform us of modifications carried out to your ECU. At no time did you previously state that you do not have a standard ECU, it was not me who stated that the management system you use as being MFI.
The MFI system as used by the Ford Escort RS Turbo does not permit maps to be written specifically for the vehicle as such you have an after market chip at whatever stage in a Ford ECU according to the specs you put up

I run cossie management with a map written for my car on a replacement chip, the ECU itself is standard

What modifications have been carried out to the ECU other than the chip and for what purpose?

pa_sjo

You can run custom chips for the ESC-II ECU on an erst.... Well, one or two people can I should say..

Linsay

Hi
Firstly, i think a genuine 250 takes quite a lot money and mods
Getting 219bhp out of mine wasn't too bad, but was a lot more to get 243bhp
If this is your first RS turbo i would probably take it to an RS specialist for setting up first and then you can get some ideas of what you need to do next


i concur
mine did 219 just MFI & 16psi, then 224 with 5th injector & 24psi>17psi
only made 20bhp more with the Cosworth management and 22psi to the limiter

Karlos G

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Again no offence mate but MFi is not mapable, you may have a new igntion map in your chipped ecu, Ahmed Bayjoo remaps the ignition timing i believe, but thats all that could have been done.
Also a Stock T3 with just uprated bearings cannot flow enough for the power you are putting out, especially as it's now a 1.8!! Maybe more was done to your turbo than you realise?

RSTurboSI

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i didnt build the engine,

nor the turbo,

Sevs.co.uk did everything, from ecu to gearbox and turbo to sump plugs.

i paid the guy jobs done....

the list is a recipet from sevs.co.uk....

the car was rolled on the 23/8/2008 and hit 246bhp on the second dyno run. this was done at street racers and by a guy who tunes fords and also cossies.

i have nothing to gain from lieing nor will i try it, the power figger is there, i know a mate of mine running MFI at 242bhp with a stand alone ecu.

mark-rst

Out of interest what was the wheel power?

I would believe your turbo is more than standard to get that power figure, what PSI does it run at?

Nice car btw

Karlos G

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I wasnt suggesting that you were lying mate!
Only that perhaps the T3 spec is higher than wha you think it is, and that perhaps the management is not as you rememebr it being.
Although if you say you copied that list from the receipt (Stage 3 map on chiped ECU ) then i would say you are not running MFi but some form of EFi.

RSandy

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on another forum, he also claimed the car ran only a hearts n diamonds late spec ecu...

...and that it was a completely forged engine, including the crank, camshaft....

....and that the build only cost 2k including labour

so my advice would be to take it all with a pinch of salt

oh and it was stil a 1.6 on the other forum too, so if its now 1.8, id imagine he would have had some more knowledge of the engine after that little extra complete rebuild lol

Karlos G

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Oh dear!!

boothy

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simo2k2000

There's a Haynes Manual on tuning the RS Turbo. Bag of shite or a worthy purchase?

RSTurboSI

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that was 6-7months ago, its been in for a paint and engine rebuild dude. underside paint... new ecu new gearbox pritty much everything new, apart from my old chrome rocker cover, my red bull can cover and the boost houses.

RSTurboSI

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i got one of them to learn, had a look into it.. dont go into deadth enuff

RSandy

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well being as polite as possible

i take everything about your current spec with the biggest pinch of salt humanly possible. true i do not know if the car has or hasnt had a rebuild recently, but i wil say that the power figure is still astronomical and on par with jesus turning water to wine. that said, the old spec where u admittedly had a standard hearts n diamonds ecu n an almost standard engine, that apparently ran 220bhp but again no dyno graph to prove

dude, i dunno why u insist on trying so hard, u even have to elaborate badly on your suspension. coilovers and uprated front ARB? then everywhere else u say lowered 60mm on spax springs. and what kind of uprated ARB we talking about? im assuming turbo technics set up or the like? but the pics u post show a standard set up....

keep us updated on the progress of the hole you have dug yourself, maybe when u hit china, they might believe some of your elaborate claims lol

Ad4m RST

Get it dyno'd somewhere else I spose, keep it TUV

Pat

Im ruunnin around the 300 bench mark.. but it aint been cheap..

Now looking at different box.. BUT to be fair the old one lasted along time with alot of hammer..

ricky_2006

wheres the fucking proof of the 246bh then?