Im at a situation where I need to re-wire the car electicaly, due to a bodged Escort Rs turbo conversion. The insulation on the amal valve wire melted and shorted out. So now the ecu wont power switch the valve (i've tried blowing in the vacum pipe for the ecu). looks like i need a new ecu..
So the question is go EFi and junk the MFi, whats the benefits?

The engine specs are as follows..
1600cc with +40 Mahle pistons
Cylinder Head devlopments Stage 3 head
Kent Cvh 35 kit
Hybrid T3 cut back blades, 360 degeres bearing...
-31 Actuator
K&N
intercooler to be upgraded soon
Thinking of Using a Pace Charge cooler, As i want the car to look original as posible (Mk2 Fiesta Xr2)

Will cossie, weber alpha, meagsquirt and the likes give me any advantages??
Or am i just going to throw away money i can spend esle where..,

Cheers

 

Power isn't dictated by what management you run (when it's efi).. if you do junk mfi (not a terrible idea if you can afford it), then just go with whatever management your respective tuner is most happy mapping.

 

I know power isn't dictated by the management system. Athough technicaly i can get more power runing efi, by using bigger injectors ect.. I just want to know if it worth the money/hassle considering the spec of my Engine.

 

gotech all the way mate, efi fiesta management cant be live mapped, it can be altered to a certain extent but it still very restricted. I had long talks with pj motorsport about this. Jamie & robin at jamsport have given me loads of advice on getting gotech, it costs 1400 to do a diy fitment which is very easy, plug and play. No need for crank sensors etc. It also includes a live mapping session. You can sell a lot of parts from your mfi to regain some of the cost and also source some parts yourself to keep costs down which is what I am doing. If you do go efi look around at all the alternative and more importantly the features/options and capabilities of each management system.

Hope this helps

 

one thing to take into consideration when choosing your management is to speak to the tuner who will be eventually setting the car up once your finished and see what they recomend, theres no point you going for a certian management system then finding out the nearest tuner who deals with that system is 500 miles from you

 

What a load of rubbish. Fiesta turbo management can be live mapped and has been for a long time. Only two people that I know of have access to the ECU though, which is probably why they prefer to use an aftermarket ECU.

 

Balls! i was going to buy a fez turbo engine/loom and ecu but decided not too as pjm/sport told me that they can't be fully mapped to the individual car. Oh well you live and learn :-(

Cheers

 

Ł1400 for gotech diy ? my mates cost Ł350 ecu inc loom

 

i only paid Ł300 for mine

 

ah, sorry I wasnt clear, for 1400 you get:
gotech ecu
loom
modified injector/inlet
fuel rail
fuel regulator
400cc injectors
and a live mapping session

this is the conversion for people who have mfi and dont want to mess about with inserting crank sensors etc, it uses the dizzy for pistion position

Hope this helps

 

Ok....
Sounds interesting about the same price as going cossie management then. Does anyone know of any dealers around London that map Gotech? How long they been about??

Knowing my luck i'll decide to go this route and a about 9months later or even a few years down the road, I'll have a prob and only to be told sorry no longer avaible. Partly the reason i was thinking of going cossie.. Plus it means everything I have used for the Conversion will be from Fords parts bin..From the Cossie Brakes to the Recaros..

The main reason for this topic is.. I have a faulty ecu, Need to re-wire loom aswell as the car and lastly will need to set it all up... So i thought why not jus Junk it all and got Efi.
Now im confused. I can see many plus points for going efi. And only cost being the advantage for stinking with Efi. The other reason that was leaning me to this is Getting rid of the Metering head.

 

[quote=Crazy;3411600]Ok....
Sounds interesting about the same price as going cossie management then. Does anyone know of any dealers around London that map Gotech? How long they been about??

Knowing my luck i'll decide to go this route and a about 9months later or even a few years down the road, I'll have a prob and only to be told sorry no longer avaible. Partly the reason i was thinking of going cossie.. Plus it means everything I have used for the Conversion will be from Fords parts bin..From the Cossie Brakes to the Recaros..

well ive looked at all the options and gotech is the way forward i think, Jamsport are the main dealer for the uk. If you are handy with a laptop then you can map the car yourself. I have only heard positive things about the gotech, Im not too sure how other tuners hav got on with mapping gotech but I know a few people on here have had a go with there laptops. remember that the 1400 includesa full mapping session, which is worth a lot! I have a ruck of info on this if you are interested, if you decide to go that route, could see if they would do discount for 2 as im going to be placing an order very soon

 

The only people and the most experienced in mapping Gotech is Jamie at Jamsport, the other person who maps it is Simon from Si-Tech in Scotland.

My problem was that I would have to trailer my car there adding to the costs, likewise if I wanted someone wise to map it, I may be able to find someone willing to map it, but how much experience would they have?

It was for this reason alone that I went for Cossie management... I can get it mapped by Stu from MSD, Amhed, Norris, Engine Advantages and many others which keeps the price of mapping competitive while offering the widest choice of experience available. The fact that the system has been around for years in everything from Cossies, to Lancia Intergralli's, to Ducatti's and Ferrari's is something I found comforting as this means there is a great deal of knowledge about the system itself... The very best management system is only as good as the person who maps it and their knowledge

Its still worth remembering that the cossie management is being used on the fastest escorts in the UK at at this time which also suggests that it is up to the job.

Although many people regularly quote price, as an objection regarding one system or another they also forget resale value and desirability. A cossie L8 or P8 ECU is still widely desirable and sells for good money second hand which means its depreciation is very low compared to other systems, the ECU I have is selling for the same kind of money as I paid for it,

for Ł1400 you have a wide range of options to choose from regarding management.

Find a mapper who you like and follow their advice imho

 

I went with Gotech for mine and im glad i did, plugged my laptop in when i got home and its very easy to adjust and map your self.

 

i have just finished converting mine to gotech pro found it straight forward had a few issues but jamsport has exelent aftersales service just need it maped now

 

how did you find the install? what issue's did you have? I ordering mine in about 3 months after ive paid for my new all steel zvh bottom end

 

the install was very easy only needed to put a plug on the cps and the coil pack i found the instructions fairly straight forward used a relay for the power as the book said still a a issue with the fuel pump relay but got it working and the big headache was it had the wrong chip fitted that controls the firing was a 60-2 not a 36-1 but all works now

 

i had low comp pistons and standard rods and was running 212bhp then i got cossie management from jano ,paul hills mapped it and got 259bhp just by changing management?!

 

the way i chose to go cossie management is , just look about there are so many cossies still driving about 2day with no problems and still getting huge power figures on standard management ! it shows its reliable as its over 20 years down the line and it still works fine! but i aint gonna say bad words about the other managemnet's out there as i haven't used them!

 

The fact that the list is endless for Cossie tuners seems like this maybe the way to go.. Will everyone agree that the only benifits for staying with mfi is cost?? wats the most i cud see with the spec of my car if i was to get a new original ecu and get it set up??

 

mine was 223bhp very close to your spec so 220-230bhp is a good target!

 

The power you would see would be dependent upon how good your engine is and how much boost you wish to run.
The biggest advantage with EFI is the manner in which the car idles and performs for me it just feels more lively and cleaner, you can not explain it until you have driven a RST on decent management.
The MFI system contrary to peoples belief is pretty good and well capable of fueling cars up to a certain level when its working well, the problem is that not to many these days work well which adds to reliability concerns.

with your engine spec on EFI I would expect to see a decent and reliable 230 without to much stress on the engine.

Before deciding upon any management what so ever I would suggest also talking to whoever you may wish to map your car and take advice from them, if a tuner does not give you time to answer your questions, what makes you think he is going to have enough time for your car ?

 

Thanks guys,
Been a great help. I already wanted to go Efi just needed a little push..
All i gota do now is choose an Ecu and work out what I need. I was thinking about using a DazC stlye Inlet. Keeping the engine looking stantard Mfi at a glance...
All i gota do now is build up the courage to spend the money. And work out how im going to by-pass the Bank Manager

 

Thats that then its done!!!!!!!!!!!! Gone Cossie L8 picked up Ecu and loom lastnite....

 

L8 is a good ECU
Im very happy with my cossie management

 

ive got cossie managment on mine although it hasnt turned over yet lol! still in bits waiting to go back together post man should be delivering some nice parcels at mine this week so should be up and running by next week!