escorts

hi peeps,ive got a c reg series 1 custom that really is beond repair,it is rotton as pear,so ive have sripped it completely and sent it to rs heaven.i still have all the id from the vehical,and is not registerd as being scrapped.nowthen i have a bear shell mk3 escort two strut type with every origional panel on an no rust appart from batt tray,it really is a minter.two questions really,i beleive there is a points scheme where tou can keep the id if use most ov the origional parts ie engine 1 point,suspension 2 points an so on,secondly i woz thinking of painting it black like princess di s series 1,all opinons very welcome cheeRS ian ,sorry for the lenght of the post as i dont want to loose the herratige of the series 1.

antony215

Dont think there is a point's thing i thought that you had to use the id on the shell then tell DVLA of all the changes or you have it re-registerd as a Q plate.

escorts

i refuse to have as a q plate,if you look on the series 1 database under reshells and replicas theres a red one on there on a c plate,and he to has a two bolt strut shell that hes used,and as far as i know they didnt make them on a cplate

antony215

Yeah you can re-shell it but what im saying is that you cant use the i.d from your old s1 on the new shell you use the id on the shell and then inform DVLA of all the changes you've made if you want it to be legit

Mr S1

iTrader: (2)

but (quite rightly IMO) the fella can cu tthe numberrs out the floor of the old shell and weld it into the donor shell. Nothing iffy about it, the cars being built with 'straight' bits and used a 'straight' donor shell. If he does declare to DVLA he runs the risk of a 'Q', insuranjce problems etc. Not worth the hassle. I'd put the original numbers in the new shell. Everythings legit, the ar and shell aren't bent so I personally see no harm in it.

antony215

This is what it say's on the DVLA web site

A. Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new/used parts.

In order to retain the original registration mark:

Cars and Car-Derived Vans must use:

The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or

A new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer/manufacturer (e.g. receipt)

And two other major components from the original vehicle - see list below

Suspension (front & back)
Axles (both)
Transmission
Steering Assembly
Engine

If a second-hand chassis/monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a ESVA/SVA test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated.

JamboRS

you cant just take one id from a shell and swap it over to the new shell because you have most of the bits,its takin the history away from the good shell and replacin it with the history of the scrapper
cars come from factory with id's,if the car dies the id dies,different to buyin a new shell and doin it but not replcin with a shell thats already got its own identity

oh and the red s1 which has the 2 bolt strut is a ringer as discussed on nearly every ford forum on the net,s1's never came with the 2 bolt type strut and its got an s1 id,not rocket science

vroooom ptssssh

As jamie sais


Saw your car at AVA the other week Jamie, looks lovelly

Mr S1

iTrader: (2)

Sorry, but who folloows the exact letter of the law with DVLA ?

So either reshell and get a Q in which case the cars not worth a wank or buy a shell legit and move it all over and keep quiet ?

Know what I'd be doing chaps I can assure you. If the car was being rung then fair enough but the geezers name is on both logbooks, or if he bought the donor shell with no ID the S1 logbook so fuck it, I'd do it.

andyt

iTrader: (1)

TBH a series 1 with 2 bolt strut top is worth PENUTS and wont make much when you go to sell,

try and get a proper mk3 shell and do it that way and DONT tell any one cause its not as if you have stolen one car and ringing it into another

antony215

Mr S1 No one 's saying dont do it the way he want's to but if he dose then it's not going to be a legit s1 and when he come's to sell it anyone that know's what they are looking at will know that there's something not right with it the only way to do it is get a proper mk3 shell then have all the VIN and the rest of it welded in so no one can tell it's been done or you will have as much trouble trying to sell it as you would if it was put on a Q plate if not more.

Mr S1

iTrader: (2)

Don't disagree with you (at all ) but if it was a non original shell or a Q - non original shell it is although I would have reservations about the strut top issue I have to say...........

JamboRS

say your so called donor shell had history behind it,crashed,stolen,even structural damage,your then wiping that history from it and replacing it with history from a completely different car,say that car had 2 owners every mot,hpi clear blah blah blah,your now converting your death trap donor shell into a minty 2 owner fully documented car which would be worth miles more than it would have been.good luck selling your s1 after these comments,id be very wary buyin from you


surely running around in a legit q plate car is better than running around in a ringer

FULLBORE

q plate legit is better in a way,but like someone above said,its really hard to insure a ringer.lots of companys wont touch them,and it cost me £300 more than an original plate!!!!!!!ive been there,done that also WOULD YOU BUY A Q PLATE??????????i know i wouldnt these days....

you could cut the floor pan out completely,replace it with a patern part,and not get it re stamped. (in fact,i shouldnt really say this,but MACHINE MART actually sell the stamping kit if you wanted to make it look 100%).i know this because my brother in law used to work there,and he had loads of dodgy looking people buying them,he realised what they were doin with the kits,and tryed stamping them into a bit of metal lying about in work.he took the stamped bit out to his car to cross check it with the vin numbers and he said it was the exact font,and you would never know............. that way nothing looks dodgy,and people would just look at it as though the original was rotten
as for the struts,if you measure up perfectly,and the mk3 is really that mint,then why not cut the strut tops of,do the same to a mk4,and put mk4's onto the mk3?????????loads of seamsealer round the welds,fresh paint,and bobs your uncle.NOW this IS technically ringing,but as someone above said,if you are the owner of both,and youve SCRAPED the donor sheels id,and scraped the car you've taken the bits off,i cant see why theres any harm in doing this......oice only tend to look at this sort of thing if there is TWO cars with the same id, or cars with different age bits and bobs and nothing matches up................YOURS WILL if you change strut tops and keep quiet.
I am not saying everyone should do this thing,but unfortunatly,there are probably loads of us out there,who are driving around in dodgy cars and dont even know it because its HPI clear.im sorry but hpi aint worth shit.
how many of you have had accidents,and not gone through insurance now hows that gonna show up on a hpi test?????my point exactly