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Old May 30, 2005 | 12:53 PM
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Default Attended my first RWYB. launch techniques?

competed in my first drag meet at york on sunday.
i managed a best of 15.1 at 98 mph, i was quite happy with this until i saw the twating novas running 13's all day long.
it seemed to me that if i could get off the line better i would be in the 14's easy, are you better off with 15 inch rims as apposed to my 17,s i have on now?
any tips are appreciated. i need to show the f*****g novas how to go on
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Old May 30, 2005 | 01:15 PM
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You need to find the right balance between power and technique. Also your suspension has alot to do with it. It's best to just practice and practice until you find out what is best for you and your car.

13 second FWD car is a quick car.
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Old May 30, 2005 | 04:16 PM
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13 sec FWD must be quick because some scoobys and other 4x4's were only managing 14's
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Old May 30, 2005 | 06:36 PM
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know what u mean mate...what was your launching technique like? how hard where you revving and then lifting the clutch up?

We ran a ERST at the pod who's best time was 15.1 @ 99mph IIRC...running approx 230hp however it was his first ever time launching and first ever time at the quarter! he couldnt launch it right and was rolling off the line then flooring it...think he was concerned about breaking his g/box even though its a stage 2 bernie box lol...that plus the fact he looked high didnt help LOL...he was being FAR too lenient with the launches but once rolling it was rapid! spinning into 3rd gear!

think the best way to launch (that i have found in my turbo) is keep revving to 2500-3000rpm and keep dabbing the throttle so your holding 0psi boost instead of vacuum...then let the clutch up...as the clutch is coming up your increasing the throttle so your riding the clutch a bit while accelerating....

with the above technique i have beaten many faster more powerful cars off the line no probs.....am in second within 2-3 seconds!!

give it a go mate

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Old May 30, 2005 | 08:22 PM
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know what u mean mate...what was your launching technique like? how hard where you revving and then lifting the clutch up?

We ran a ERST at the pod who's best time was 15.1 @ 99mph IIRC...running approx 230hp however it was his first ever time launching and first ever time at the quarter! he couldnt launch it right and was rolling off the line then flooring it...think he was concerned about breaking his g/box even though its a stage 2 bernie box lol...that plus the fact he looked high didnt help LOL...he was being FAR too lenient with the launches but once rolling it was rapid! spinning into 3rd gear!

think the best way to launch (that i have found in my turbo) is keep revving to 2500-3000rpm and keep dabbing the throttle so your holding 0psi boost instead of vacuum...then let the clutch up...as the clutch is coming up your increasing the throttle so your riding the clutch a bit while accelerating....

with the above technique i have beaten many faster more powerful cars off the line no probs.....am in second within 2-3 seconds!!

give it a go mate

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i think you have it spot on with that technique, be harsh, drive it like you have nicked it LOL, its the only way. I was trying to do this on the strip but been my first time i was bricking it so i either set off waiting to come on boost then just spinning into second then still spinning into third or just spinning off the line, plus a bit of clutch slip sometimes didnt help.
But i have a plan, today i have fitted my in car boost kit, with it turned right down i can launch with 12 to 14 psi so i have some traction in second then pop it into third whilst spinning the bleed valve to 20+ psi.
Easyer said than done eh! Is there a solonoid on the market for a electronic two stage boost control?

thanks for advice
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unless you can get hold of a boost controller which works off an on and off switch then there is no fookin way you'll have time to be playing with a bleed valve, just practice your launching if you have coilovers suspension then jack up the rears and harden them up or just harden if your suspension adjustable, what front tyres are youi using i went from running eagle f1 ds3 to toyo poxyes tr1 there was a huge difference in grip with my new engine and suspension setup and smaller front wheels i am hopein for the high 12s and higher ternimal speed
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Old May 31, 2005 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by turboboss
unless you can get hold of a boost controller which works off an on and off switch then there is no fookin way you'll have time to be playing with a bleed valve, just practice your launching if you have coilovers suspension then jack up the rears and harden them up or just harden if your suspension adjustable, what front tyres are youi using i went from running eagle f1 ds3 to toyo poxyes tr1 there was a huge difference in grip with my new engine and suspension setup and smaller front wheels i am hopein for the high 12s and higher ternimal speed
your right, messing with the valve whilst snatching gears is a no no. I am thinking of a way i can utilise the amal valve as a two stage boost switch and still using the bleed valve to decide what the full boost is to be set to.
I was running on hancook's on my seventeens but my 15's have michilin pilots on them so i will give it a go with them on. Also next time i am going to strip the interior.
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Old May 31, 2005 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Turbo
Also your suspension has alot to do with it.
Don't forget
gearing
gear box
wheel size
tyre's
Waight of the car

And a think thats it??
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you will accelerate slower on 17's, and yes you can use the amal valve as a two stage boost control power eng did this on my series 1 for use in the wet/dry i have a copy of how to do it ill try and dig it out for ya!
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Old May 31, 2005 | 06:43 PM
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i was at york on sunday m8 was yours the s2 with the bling engine bay . so u tickleing it off the line but looked pretty quick once u got going
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Turboboss how did it go at the redline mag rumble at santa pod on 16 may
m8?
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i done a 13.3 @113 still had problems with traction bloody fwd and slipping paddle clutch its only done 800 miles will be sorted for next time i'm down there, 16" wheels, semi-slick tyres, locked rear suspension, fiesta frenzy ultimate rs turbo clutch and more power
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Originally Posted by turboboss
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i done a 13.3 @113 still had problems with traction bloody fwd and slipping paddle clutch its only done 800 miles will be sorted for next time i'm down there, 16" wheels, semi-slick tyres, locked rear suspension, fiesta frenzy ultimate rs turbo clutch and more power
Damn thats fast
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Old Jun 1, 2005 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by winston
i was at york on sunday m8 was yours the s2 with the bling engine bay . so u tickleing it off the line but looked pretty quick once u got going
that was me mate, who are you. i need to be more brutal with the clutch.LOL.
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Old Jun 1, 2005 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by turboboss
HANSEN

i done a 13.3 @113 still had problems with traction bloody fwd and slipping paddle clutch its only done 800 miles will be sorted for next time i'm down there, 16" wheels, semi-slick tyres, locked rear suspension, fiesta frenzy ultimate rs turbo clutch and more power
Damn thats fast
I watched him go down, looked like it was been pulled by a boing747.
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Seb, this??
fuck knows how good it is.

D.I.Y 2 STAGE BOOST

Why pay Ł40 for a 2 stage boost kit when you can make it yourself for under Ł5? All you need to do for the 2 stage boost is it interrupt the signal from the Amal valve to the ECU, and then the boost will get lowered by the ECU.

Your cars chip must support an Amal valve and all three hoses must be connected up for this to work as well. So if you are using a bleed valve it won’t work!

Here’s what’s needed and how to do it.

1 x switch, length of insulated wire, 2 x junction blocks

Cut into one of the wires that runs to the Amal valve, you decide which one and where to cut into it, it doesn’t matter.

Add the new wire to the cut you have made and join it by using the junction blocks or soldering it if you like.

Feed the wires through the bulkhead of the car.

Add the wires to your switch and position the switch where you want it in the car.

When the circuit is broken by flicking the switch, you should find that the boost level will drop. When the circuit is joined the boost should go back to its normal level. Best to check it out by using a boost gauge so you know what boost level you are running on low and high boost. I find this method is ideal for motorway cruising on long journeys or if you are driving in the wet.
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Seb, this??
fuck knows how good it is.

D.I.Y 2 STAGE BOOST

Why pay Ł40 for a 2 stage boost kit when you can make it yourself for under Ł5? All you need to do for the 2 stage boost is it interrupt the signal from the Amal valve to the ECU, and then the boost will get lowered by the ECU.

Your cars chip must support an Amal valve and all three hoses must be connected up for this to work as well. So if you are using a bleed valve it won’t work!

Here’s what’s needed and how to do it.

1 x switch, length of insulated wire, 2 x junction blocks

Cut into one of the wires that runs to the Amal valve, you decide which one and where to cut into it, it doesn’t matter.

Add the new wire to the cut you have made and join it by using the junction blocks or soldering it if you like.

Feed the wires through the bulkhead of the car.

Add the wires to your switch and position the switch where you want it in the car.

When the circuit is broken by flicking the switch, you should find that the boost level will drop. When the circuit is joined the boost should go back to its normal level. Best to check it out by using a boost gauge so you know what boost level you are running on low and high boost. I find this method is ideal for motorway cruising on long journeys or if you are driving in the wet.
Thanks for that mate, i am going to do something similer.
I have an in car bleed valve, the centre pipe (waste pipe) out of the bleed valve is going to be blocked off with a old idle control valve i had lying around. Then basically with the valve closed it will be running around 14 psi, open the valve by giving it 12 volts and i then have whatever my bleed valve is set to at the flick of a switch, hopefully around 23 psi when my boost pressure switch turns up in the post and i can rig a 5th injector up
Nobody needs to be running massive boost all the time, it will just fuck things quicker.
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Originally Posted by turboboss
unless you can get hold of a boost controller which works off an on and off switch then there is no fookin way you'll have time to be playing with a bleed valve, just practice your launching if you have coilovers suspension then jack up the rears and harden them up or just harden if your suspension adjustable, what front tyres are youi using i went from running eagle f1 ds3 to toyo poxyes tr1 there was a huge difference in grip with my new engine and suspension setup and smaller front wheels i am hopein for the high 12s and higher ternimal speed
Got those double springs in mate, massive differance
problem sorted
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raident red i wasnt running my car as its in a thousand pieces i was with a mate who runs a 20l fiesta si its a black one with black team dynamics rims he run is quickest time 0f 15.7 hes been trying for ages to break into 15s but he dosent have to worry about chewing boxes up . if ur there next time m8 come over and have a chat
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Originally Posted by winston
raident red i wasnt running my car as its in a thousand pieces i was with a mate who runs a 20l fiesta si its a black one with black team dynamics rims he run is quickest time 0f 15.7 hes been trying for ages to break into 15s but he dosent have to worry about chewing boxes up . if ur there next time m8 come over and have a chat
i remember the car, i will see you there on 19th july for the ford shoot out if ya cam make it.
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Originally Posted by radiant red
Originally Posted by turboboss
unless you can get hold of a boost controller which works off an on and off switch then there is no fookin way you'll have time to be playing with a bleed valve, just practice your launching if you have coilovers suspension then jack up the rears and harden them up or just harden if your suspension adjustable, what front tyres are youi using i went from running eagle f1 ds3 to toyo poxyes tr1 there was a huge difference in grip with my new engine and suspension setup and smaller front wheels i am hopein for the high 12s and higher ternimal speed
Got those double springs in mate, massive differance
problem sorted
i am glad its sorted m8 they are an excellent bit of kit i dont know why every cvh powered car has'nt got them no valve float and you can run whatever cam profile you like and quite reasonable priced
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hansen i was Surprised at my times at central day i was doing 14s best of the day then was a 14.09 but i was chuffed with that now beacuse i can get in the 13s and every run at redline rumble was in the 13s with or without nitrous i now think that 14s are slow which they are Defiantly not on my third forth run i went up against a 550bhp supra and beat it so its not all about power but to think of it i have never seen a supra put down a good time apart from the that 1200bhp supar from that tuning company in scotland just get the car setup for drag and practice,practice
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Originally Posted by turboboss
hansen i was Surprised at my times at central day i was doing 14s best of the day then was a 14.09 but i was chuffed with that now beacuse i can get in the 13s and every run at redline rumble was in the 13s with or without nitrous i now think that 14s are slow which they are Defiantly not on my third forth run i went up against a 550bhp supra and beat it so its not all about power but to think of it i have never seen a supra put down a good time apart from the that 1200bhp supar from that tuning company in scotland just get the car setup for drag and practice,practice
Superb times m8 What time did you get with out the gas m8 ?i have only done two 1/4mile runs and they were both 13.8@110mph
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i did 13.7 @ 110 im will have to get one of fiesta frenzy ultimate rs tubo clutches because my helix paddle clutch slips when using nitrous

the way i see it with say 250bhp and a good launch there is no reason why times should'nt be Consistently in the 13s or 300+ shite launch 13s if you've got the power can always play catch up and get good times
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