Was surprised to find out only about half the amount of sapphires left compared to 3 doors 😮😮😮😮
I Thought far more saphs made than 3 door, I can only assume nobody has given a shit about old saphs and ruined alot more of them compared to 3 doors 🤣😂🤣😂

Official figures

3 door 719 taxed, 2104 sorn, total 2823 left on register




Sapphire 378 taxed, 1208 SORN, total 1586 left on register


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crazy numbers the amount sorn to on road

 

I guess that will level up abit once better weather here Steve

But saphs considerably rarer than 3 doors surprised me initially til I thought about it abit then it made sense, no one loved the rep mobiles back in the day 🤣😂

 

i wouldnt go off that tbh more to the point how many sorn are logbooks in draw?

 

Why not go off that, the only ones that won't show on there will have been off the radar since way way back

I can't see there being many off the radar so to speak

 

just some cars you search on there.. there claim not many but there is plenty of them for sale obv not cosworths or out just run of mill shite..

 

All the YB’s in Escorts etc came from somewhere, probably when Saffs were £1500 rusty cars.
That’s why I think there are so few left.

 

Yeah makes sense, last one I sold for £2000 about 20 years ago, it was broken for parts.

With prices where they are now for saphs some old shitters might get resurected 😂🤣

 

Apparently there were 2600 UK supplied 3 door cosworths so most are still about, well log books are at least 🤣😂

 

I wonder how many actually left are RWD or 4x4. Hard to find a RWD one now

 

Considering how 2wd were abused and not loved years ago I'd dare bet less 2wd than 4x4 left today mate

 

i read this was the case four years ago that 2wd drives were hard to come across. f reg more than anything. but it doesnt seem to be reflected in what the 2wd are worth at pressent compared to the 3dr seems like half to me. every 3dr i see they want 60k. all this money there worth now has seriously pissed me off. i wish they were worth fuk all. every time i drive mine now its in the back of my mind .a 2wd got rear ended near me recently.i got mine twenty years ago after having other rs fords including a mk1 avo escort rs 2000

 

Is that Web site really accurate?? Like people said most cossies are sorn this time of year.

Mad to think the prices they fetch these days.

 

All taxed or sorn cars are there that's the whole point, it's all online so days easily available, the only cars that won't be on there I think are the ones that have never been taxed or sorned since the system went digital

Tax went digital in 2014 so I assume any cars or just logbooks that havnt been taxed or sorned since then will not be on the list

 

If those stats are correct then there were already a lot more 3drs (4800) than saphs (2800) in 1995. That would seem strange to me, the 4x4 was only about 4 years old then.

 

Hi Mark, last time I did a check it was the same, far fewer Sapphire Cosworths than 3 Doors and the majority were 4x4 so my 2wd is getting harder to find.

 

2wd saphs all got abused back in the day I remember it well, 3 doors were far more pampered lol

 

I can imagine that nowadays there are a lot more 3drs around, but the numbers from 1995 surprise me. I can't imagine there were already that many sapphs broken up for parts when the 2wd sapph was just 7 years old. Perhaps the data from so many years ago is not accurate.

 

So I just looked at my logbook and model is sierra rs cosworth
and all sapphire cosworths on the site are years 89-94 with only 4 being made in 89 so they are all 4x4s

The figures now make sense imo, sierra rs cosworth is all 2wd cosworths, can someone check there 4x4 log book just to check it does say sapphire in the model line

When you read on how many left website it does state data inaccuracies occur as of typos and some models don't have full names listed on the v5s

 

It still makes sense as you say regarding the 2wd Sapphires, a combination of rust and abuse drove the sale price of them down to silly money and a lot of people bought them,thrashed the life out of them and then scrapped them.I remember seeing real rough examples with dents, rust and smokey engines etc. Now most owners of 2wd Sapphires look after them and take a pride in them. I have had mine for 29 years and it gets a lot of attention at shows etc.

 

thats what i was on about before as sapphire and 3door models on logbook are sierra rs cosworth differnce been hatch or saloon hence some of the e reg 3doors are sapphire logbooks back when you could change it with dvla..

 

I think there all grouped together then mate as site states only model on v5 used to order data

 

Also remember there was no sorn back then so any off the road just wouldn't be on there, only taxed ones would be there

 

If the 2wd sapph was also listed as sierra rs cosworth than it explains it quite well. Basically there is not much difference in the relation of 2wd vs 4x4 in the 1995 numbers (4845 2wd / 2885 4x4) vs. the current numbers (2104 2wd / 1108 4x4). I guess it must be close to the relation of how many were sold when new. But you cannot see the relation of 3dr vs 2wd sapph, and that is probably far off from how many were sold new.

I do like the 3dr, but when I bought mine I never even considered one. I like the more stealthy look of the sapph and I also find the interior of the 3dr looks dated compared to the sapph, especially the 4x4. But I suppose all Sierra interiors look dated by now. But then I don't like new cars anyway.

 

I've looked on my V5 and it says Sierra Sapphire cosworth. It doesn't say anything about it being a 4x4.

 

I think Saphs have aged well compared to some other classics.

 

Yeah that makes sense 4x4s are registered then as sierra sapphire cosworths, whereas 3 doors and 2wd sapphires are listed as sierra rs cosworth on log book

 

To look at my 3 door was my favourite cossie I've ever owned, but to drive saph all day long imo

 

You can’t go round saying stuff like that lol if the 3dr boys see you saying there grouped in with the common old saff your be disowned lol

 

My log book says Sierra RS Cosworth on my RWD one

 

i would of thought this will push up the value of the 2wd. is this such a good thing not if your never selling my grandsons having mine after me

 

😂🤣😂🤣 Lol
I'd love a proper rs500 as never had one but I couldn't pay that money for a sierra, it would have to be a mental tuned to death one I think 🤣😂 lol

I suppose all the mega tuned rs500s must of mostly been took back to stock now with them being the money they are today

 

Saffs especially 2wd are a rare breed now as like been said most have been robbed of engine and box even im guilty of that.
They are on the up price wise and will continue BUT beware a lot have come onto the market claiming low miles and off the road for many years. The fact is if no paper history a 150k car in 2005 will today be flogged on as a 50k car. 90's mods and fresh paint usually gives this away.
End of the day its just a sierra that rots like any other ford.
Buy on condition not miles.
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Fords complete lack of any rust proofing when the Sapphires were built is the main reason there are so few 2wd ones left now. I have owned mine for 26years now and the one owner before me had it waxoyled from nearly new and luckily rust has never been an issue on mine. Just had yet another MOT with no advisories. Mine has done a genuine 112,000 miles but has had lots of upgrades and modifications over the years and it still looks superb and with 450bhp can still suprise a lot of newer "performance"cars.

 

mine is a 2wd e reg 88 this is the last thing i wanted stupid price rises. people have to realise what a vehicle is worth and what some idiot is willing to pay for something at all cost is completely different to the actual value. in relation to the last rs 500 sold recently. i dont want a 2wd cossie that worth shit loads of money the funs gone out of it now for me.im even thinking of cashing my chips in. i might get something els thats not under the microscope may be a focus

 

Hi Ray, I do agree with you regarding the crazy money that the RS500 sold for recently but to some people nearly £600k is pocket money!!! A Sapphire Cosworth also sold for £90k!! I have never looked at my car as an investment but we have to be realistic now about replacement value if it was stolen/not recovered or burnt out /written off. Agreed value comprehensive insurance is a must if you have a nice example.I think what is a shame is how a lot of owners now hardly ever drive their cars because they are worried about putting miles on them. I never Sorn mine and it gets driven and enjoyed.

 

i dont sorn mine i never have i use it all year round if its dry. i say i would sell it but when it comes to the crunch im not sure if i could ive had it for twenty five years. but the thing is im not comfortable with owning such an exspenive car i didnt know what to do with it when the time comes. ive two daughters but wouldnt be fair with the maintanance of such a vehicle. when my grandson came along it was more of a relief i could pass it on to him he's car mad but he's only five ive also two grandaughters. and to leave him such an exspensive car wouldnt be fair. the prices could go both ways in years to come. another thing is what is it worth like you said an agreed now is a must. i valued it last year between 25-30k this is a hole new discussion what are saffs and three doors worth now. you cant go by milleage there was no such thing as vehicle data base untill recent years for milleage checks. im a profeesional panal beater sprayer some of the cossies on various sites ive seen restored they have taught them selfs to weld at the start of the there projects. no lead work which is a must for water ingress ive seen arches only tacked on. redoxide used as primer which it could be but not with some paint schemes. primer base coat solid cclour clear coat has to be compatable. when some paint cures it will except most things but alot doesnt. some unlucky soul is going to pay a fortune for a cossie and within a couple of yeasr theyle end up with blistering cracking paint. ive seen it before ive been asked to do reports on restored cars and put right and you strip the paint agian and see the mess

 

Hi Ray, I see in your other post you have installed your new wiring loom which is good. My car has 90% original Ford Diamond white from 1990 and the bodywork is still in vgc which I am sure is down to the fact it was properly waxoyled from nearly new. Mine is currently agreed value of £27k but I think it needs to be higher now.The biggest problem with a 2wd Saff now is finding some spare bodywork etc parts.