I own a sierra cosworth sapphire.2wd
It has a MSD chip on standard injectors.
It runs great.
The cars spec is low compression pistons by CP.
Forged rods and arp bolts
it has the bosch fuel pump and a new regulator supplied by MSD.
OK here we go.
I fitted a T4 turbo with tubular manifold and wastegate.
I have added a set of grey injectors and 4x4 TB.
also I have a L8 ecu to fit.
it has a rs500 type inter cooler.
A 3 bar map sensor.
I am just using arp head bolts and a new 5 layer head gasket.
I have a old set of pistons for you to view with spec sheet.
I am after a MSD chip to run this.
The question is as its apart the CAMS could be done.
what ones do you suggest.
It is weekend car and is driven fast road .
After its put back together I would like to bring it to MSD for the chip to be fitted pf09 wiring done etc.
Just advice on the cams and a little return on the spec .Thank you

Any advice on the cams suitable for daily driving on a T4 with Greys and a L8 ecu it will have a custom MSD chip ?

Thankyou its in the shop now so I would like to get the cam done as well a bd12 inlet cam is the best suggestion yet wich would be good to keep the cost down.

 

Going for the bd14 inlet for now.

 

Nashy used a abo7 on that spec and pulled 455 hp

 

Brilliant its a bd14 inlet I am after.
I am going to put it together and order the chip from MSD.
I will have a dyno run after this.
Drive her about safely and enjoy.

 

you'd benefit from a live map on that spec; a bit of head porting would see over 500 but the injectors will need to be bigger

 

I have been advised to get the black siemens.
Ive bought the grays.
I will stick with them on this upgrade and if all stops together next year go for the larger injectors and map.
I don't want to go to big as I want the engine to hold together whilst I have the body work done.
I will buy a 200 block and have that studded ,buy a ported head ect.
this be in the future as funds are available.
The cars just cost me a bit so one stage at a time.lol

 

A common conversion for a rs500 is greys, 3 bar, 3inch exhaust and a -31 actuator.
You can run 25psi and the grey injectors will be flat out, realistically around 440bhp.
If I were you and your valve pockets were ok put some double springs in there and a 16 on the inlet. Will allow the engine to breath a little better up the top and you can go as far as the grey injectors will let you on the boost.

I would advise getting it live mapped as running injectors so close to their 100% area isn't really a guessing gam, or better still use bigger injectors so you have some safety and could wind a bit more boost into it.

 

Sounds like the grey injectors can be the restriction.
I will source the black siemens .
Taking into account this is on a T4 and a external wastegate.
I will set it up on the greys and run it a while and have some fun,
Then I will go for a larger black siemen or 1000cc injector like on the build that is on passionford.
Thing is every time I hike the bhp up the more chance I will loose the engine and not get any fun first.

 

I'd ditch the arp head studs they will crack your block. std head bolts or 200 block long studded would be better.

 

Didn't no this.
There are alot of builds used them.
i might just leave the head ,if the head gasket goes, use them then.
This will get the car on the road quicker.

 

Do a search on www.escortrscosworth.com that will give you more info.

 

ok the Bd14 is fitted with new head gasket and arp head bolts.
the big cr35 t4 turbo is fitted.
It started on the l6 just.
I sent the l8 ecu and had a msd chip fitted and treat her to some 83lb siemens.
the car fuel relays work the fuel pump.
the problem is now there is no spark.
it has a 3 bar map sensor and the pf09 tb has had the outer wires swapped over.
I couldn't get to the car but have asked a local auto electrician to bell out the ecu etc,
Is there anything I am missing from changing to a l8 ecu.
I believe the chip has closed loop.
there isn't a lamba sensor fitted yet.
once I have her going I will send it to them for a live map and lamba sensor fitted.

its just getting her started.
I checked all the obvious bulk head connecters etc.
these were all done when I first built the car.
It did start on the l6.
now its a l8 with MSD chip for 83lb injectors ,bd14 inlet and big t4 turbo.
Is there anything I am missing.
I am posting all my sheets of ecu data on volt meter for the garage tmz.
Is there anything obvious I have missed.

 

Couple of things, have you fitted the Bosch 044 uprated fuel pump? Have you fitted Siemens 83lb injectors and the BD14 inlet cam as the MSD chip is programmed for them, not Grey injectors. Also you say the chip is for closed loop but I thought you need the lambada sensor as well. Are you still using a standard coil? Sounds silly but have you checked all the connections?
Cheers Richard.

 

yes it's got the bosch 044.
Yes the chip is programmed to the 83lb and bd14 inlet,turbo etc
Its not got the lamba sensor yet.

 

ok i placed the l6 back in and it sparked.
I am investigating the l8 baby board links to the motherboard at the moment.

 

The ribbon was wriddled but did not work.
I am sending the l8 ecu as we speek back to msd.
They will have a look at it tmz.

Thankyou

 

Well my mechanic couldn't get her started.
I took her to James at MSD and he worked his magic and found a well dodgy wire going to the amp.
The car is running.
Some good sound advice on certain quality loom issues.
I am pleased.
I am having the lamba sensor fitted and some service items ,
I will take her away and get her sills done and MOT.
I have all the parts now for the exterior .
These will be fitted and a respray next.
Back to MSD for some Gucci items then drive her sensible and get some time with her a live mapping after a wee bit of time..

 

craig.roberts@hotmail.co.uk






Good advice ,it was the amp wire was fried.

all good now and I am happy.
I sent it to James at MSD and he worked some magic.
I am a big fan.
If your a Man United fan and have a football striker that is a Great
James is my equivalent in the petrol head world.
reminds me of the MM song Stanley etc.
Hope he signs the autograph I've asked him for in the letter I sent him.
Super Lol
My car runs

 

we received the car back and the car had the list of advisories started.
The main one was the oil return pipe.
The car does start but is rough and won't rev.
The car is being finished of so i will leave it a week.
I will have to get her up to MSD again for a lamba sensor and get her running better.
They are advising a live map.

 

Even though I live right down in Southampton it was still worth the journey up to MSD to get them to sort out my 2WD Sapphire with a live map. I am sure they will get it sorted for you.

 

Yeah once all the bits are sorted so we can run the car, a live mapping session to get the cruise and idle right will allow you use the car and take it away to get her MOT`d etc, then once its all finished we will be able to do a final dyno map and show it some boost. You just need to get on top of all these little issues first, no point even starting any mapping until its all working properly.

 

This is good.
Thanks for writing on the thread.
I have had to push this car over alot of hurdles.
The good thing is, i have travelled the path pilgrims.
My mechanic is good but i have to discuss every job about 10 times with him and he gives a reason why, we don't need to do any of the snags.
It would take him less time to do the jobs than giving reasons why they don't need doing.
I can see, as clear as day why they need doing.
Any how this news is good .
It meens MSD will get the car running better before the Mot ,as they are struggling to get her revving.
It saves them the head ache.

Keep up the comments as a problem shared is a problem halfed.
Good to get some reassurment that all will be good.
I might do the loom myself at weekend as it's ment to be nice.

 

Given the quotes above where James the Cosworth technitian has advised you in writing what needs doing, I have seen the work report he made and I agree they all need doing, you the owner of teh car agree and can see they need doing... But the guy working on the car says they dont need doing?

Maybe you should find a new mechanic mate? I can see this ending in tears.

 

Its not easy to find a good mechanic.
He does the work eventually and does it in his spare time ,so its at a good price.
He has to run a business and do mine when things are quite.
Every time i move and i have tried many times, they arn't as good.
They normally come across ,as a one stop shop and then can't do the basics.
I would love just to drop it of at one place and have it all done.
But yes he can have the car for a month ,do one job and then off load it back without doing much.
If you no of a mechanic that would keep the car safe and just do as he was asked ie finish a simple snag list.
Alot of my problems are moving the car about on flatbeds.

 

Sounds to me that you'd be better off leaving the car to a Cosworth specialist now to have all your faults rectified. May be more expensive, but it'll be done correctly.

 

I would like that as well.

 

Mechanics that are reluctant to do work are torture! And that kind will inevitably end up doing half arsed jobs at some point if they're doing work they don't want to. I've been there a few times!

Sounds like you'd be best just sending it off to MSD for the full job, and picking it up when sorted!

 

I agree with Ade do you really want all your hard work destroyed just by saving a ££'s. Stu and James are skilled guys in their field and if they say it needs doing DO IT !!!!.

I'm not stupid but i still listen to advise given..

Hope you get it sorted.

 

That's what im after doing,
I sent it up there for the lamba sensor on the Closed loop.
there was a snag list and weve done most of it.
When my mechanic finishes the snag list ,I am to book it in and have the car set up.
Then its going away for mot and then returning to MSD for its final on boost tune up,
Then if it holds together its of for it's paint finishing.
The only thing im doing myself is splicing in the loom I have for it as the one in is rough.

 

I went for it.
I ordered the new loom.
I will drop it of and now have it collected running ready for it's mot.
Also in the mean time the sills will be welded ,nice and new.

Kind Regards Craig

 

Just waiting for the loom to be finished.
I think it will be worth the wait.
I've been messed about so long with this car.
I am glad it's at MSD finally it will be completed by a capable garage.

 

Car returned.
Happy she runs on Lamba closed loop.
New loom fitted .
Fuel pump loom fitted.
Air injectors fitted but not mapped.
Now lets see if the all weekenders ,are still in me.
If I get the bug like I did with the Mondeo,
I should start work tmz morning and finish late sunday.
Tidy tidy tidy.
There is more to do than ,when I started 3 years ago.
How does this happen?
I am glad to have the car back.
The best thing is it moves under it's own steam and so this helps a lot.