Hi All,

I had my car mapped by these dudes a while back before the car went into hibernation.

I have started using the car now, and on reading this there seems to be a little adversity to Paul Hills and the EA name.

Do I have anything to worry about here?

Car seems to be ok, so do I just leave it, or could I do get another map to make better use of what I have?

Appreciate your comments

Thanks

Weeksy

 

Best option is just to get your map checked out.

Paul Hills is a talented mapper capable of doing a very good job when he puts his mind to it, so your car might be perfect.

 

Best option is just to get your map checked out.

Paul Hills is a talented mapper capable of doing a very good job when he puts his mind to it, so your car might be perfect.

 

as chip said twice

get it on the rollers to check it out

 

as chip said twice

get it on the roller to check it out

lol sorry

 

At the very least as said, get a full load fuelling check done, cost around Ł40 or so, then look at the numbers, esp AFR, I had a chip of his, with his rolling road printout, looked well impressive, the petrol station where I fill up certainly liked the new set up, it was seriously drinking to about 16-18mpg, seemed to run ok once warm, unless it idled for more than about 2 minutes then it sooted the plugs up big time, and had to be constantly revved to clear them.
It was "reported" to have 270lbft and 325 ish bhp, the truth was 270bhp ,and 325lbft, it lost as a stage 3 a few bhp over the fantastic GGR stage 1 chip, having more torque was nice though, but the fuel was crippling.
I later ran it on my fave rollers where the afr was nearly off scale at 10.3 on a easy cruise at 2500 steady speed, at around 4500 the power just plummeted like falling off a cliff, still have the printout, that's when I thought fcuk it and went after market from my nearby place, never been so happy since.
It's sad but true as chip says, I've driven cars that PH has done that went overseas, and they were spectacular, really well set up and did the job well, mostly he can't be bothered, shame as he knows how to do a good job.
tabetha

 

I have had chips wrote by both and i am currently running my car on a EP map and have had no problem with either companies

Steve.

 

Steve you just said an "EP" map, did you mean an "EA" one or are you on about enhanced performance instead?

 

Assuming your car was set up on EA's rollers ?, they're about as reliable and honest as a politicians expenses claim!!
tabetha

 

my car is on a enhanced performance map and it goes very well

 

Read again what Steve wrote

Steve

 

He said "I have had a chip written by both" as if he was referring to 2 companies already mentioned in this thread.
When the 2 mentioned where Paul Hills / EA, which are the same thing are they not?
Then he started talking about an EP chip instead.

Hence I was asking for clarification

 

I have just read it again and Steve is the one who through the spanner into the works.

I was wrong Chip, Steve is the only one to mention EP, when in fact 99% of people know Paul Hills was EA.

Steve

 

That was the bit that confused me cossie4i, it sounded like it was referring to 2 things already mentioned thats all.

no big deal, and not picking fault, I just wanted to know if EP / EA was a typo or not thats all, as its such an easy one to make!
No big song and dance required, just a yes or a no would have been fine!

 

Cheers for your thoughts fellas.

I am actually getting 200 miles to a tank, and on greys with low comp and a T34 with head and cams etc I think that is pretty good!
It idles like a std car, and holds 28psi in the upper gears, so I have nothing to suspect - I was just worried about giving it some proper noise after what some have said on here..Not too too fussed about the figures, just weather it is accurately and safely mapped - don't want to see all my hard earned go down the tubes, when I can nip down the A12 to Grove garage and see Mr Bayjoo eh?!

Thanks again for your comments fellas, much appreciated

Weeksy

 

Yep ,my bad, for some reason i had just read the op post and thought he had concerns with both companies for some reason hence my post.

Steve

 

[QUOTE=Weeksy;5466115]Cheers for your thoughts fellas.

I am actually getting 200 miles to a tank, and on greys with low comp and a T34 with head and cams etc I think that is pretty good!

Are you serious, you've got to be taking the piss ?, 200 miles to a tank, that's roughly 15.15MPG, assuming a full tank of 60 litres and 4.55L a gallon, jesus christ, I'd hate to think what you think was bad.
To put that into perspective, just prior to taking my 200,973 MILES old engine apart(had already done head but everything else 200K old), I went from West Norfolk to Scarborough and back, via the A47/A17/A15 over Humber Bridge etc, I averaged around 45mph over the trip, including stopping at the Bridge visitor centre, lights etc so not a "run"so to speak, 186 miles each way, and did the RETURN trip on a tank, yes close on 400miles to a tank, worked out at the time it was 40.8MPG, running perfectly on greys, T3-34(T3 comp housing machined out with T34 trim), mildly modded head and 200,000 miles.
My mot emissions were 0.97% CO, 137ppm, at the time mileage was 193,000, it was that smooth opposite lock asked me to rev the engine as he swore blind it wasn't running, I do not and refuse to run closed loop, I ran mine purely on the mapped position, even though CL is only a mouse click away.
Averaging 10-30 mile trips, and time in city the average is around 26-28mpg.
tabetha

 

who mapped your car tabetha,

 

Well as I am not exactly cruising it around at sub 50mph, and still having with fun with it as a new toy, I think 15mpg is ok

My Mrs V5 beetle only does 250 to a tank scooting around town which is what I would compare my mpg to, so as hers is only 170 bhp, and mine slightly more!!, I think I am doing ok!

I've not done any runs in it yet as I would like to keep relatively local just for the first few weeks to make sure all is well, but I know I am getting double what a mate of mine is getting from his Windsor (efi ) engined Capri making the same sort of power.

It's not my daily, so maybe I drive it a little harder than you would as an everyday machine? I don't know!

Weeksy

 

I would take it to Ahmed if he is close by - he live mapped my 3dr & it was awesome - took some serious abuse for years without any issue at all

 

Try engaging your EYES next time, the AVERAGE was just over 45mph, this included stopping at traffic lights being stuck behind tractors, roundabouts, stopping at the visitor centre, going through all the little villages, I spent about 20-25 mins just getting through Lincoln, most sat in traffic, etc etc, that's an average, I normally take around 3 3/4 hrs to do 186 miles along the roads mentioned, trust me this involved 130+ on the M180, as the ONLY stretch of m/way, this is by NO means poodling around, as anyone who has done that trip will tell you.
I don't know what roads you know where someone could sit at "sub 50 mph" for 400 miles, do you, with no junctions, roundabouts other traffic etc etc.
You're deluded if you think 200 is good, on my GGR chip I used to get around 280-300 to a tank, as opposite lock how I drive, it isn't sedately I didn't buy the car for that.
My dads xr4i(TVR V8 4L) can do 32mpg on a run but averages 26-28mpg, and that's on carbs, good old SU's!!
tabetha

 

Dave Walker, at a PPC in the park show, in Mallory Park near you this weekend, mapped mine, no closed loop, it's a waste of time, unless you have a cat that needs it.
DW's just bought a LS6 powered RX7, 7L and twin turbo's as a project, 1200bhp, hoping to get a drive, I offered yesterday, but cars no where near finished yet, time!!
Dave mapped mine to perfection, I have a low setting on the ecu for wet weather where boost comes in much slower/lower.
tabetha

 

Guess it depends what you want really mines on autronics mapped by mark sheed not good on fuel but i only wanted one thing as fast as it could be lol dident tune it to brag about mpg! its a weekend toy

 

I DON'T BRAG ABOUT MPG, try reading the thread from start to finish, I merely answered a question asked by another and gave my views/opinions as that is what was asked.
I'm happy with 300bhp running perfectly, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHOW THE PRINTOUT FROM THE EA CHIP.
Mark does a good job and knows what he is doing, Paul H knows what he is doing and doesn't generally do a good job, there's no point at all burning any fuel in any engine any more than you have to, afr's of 10.3 on a gentle cruise is moronic, and not needed and damaging.
The point is no bragging, any ecu that is capable and set up right by someone who knows what they are doing will do the same, there's no mystery here.
tabetha

 

I dident say your banging on about it lol but you do seem to jump up and down about co and mpg some people dont care and mine also cruises abot 13- 14 then gets to around high 10s to 11 on full boost

 

And insinuate I can't read! A little insulting Tabetha,considering the amount of text you write sir, but moving on!

I don't recall ever looking at average speeds of a journey, or average mpg per tank as per ajamesc it doesn't really worry me, as it's a weekend blaster, and 30 odd psi is going to need some juice in the mix is it not? A golf Tdi is the car for all that calculus isn't it?

I don't think my car as a std one ever did more than about 300 per tank, I was just pointing out that for what it gives and the sort of driving I do in it, 200 seemed ok. I know there will always be someone faster, or claims better mpg, but that is largely irrelevant based on the original content of my post is it not? I am happy with running over 400 running perfectly, it was only the question over his name that alerted my suspicions. Never a bad word said about Ahmed as a strike contrast!

Anyway, on the back of the general consensus here, I will get it looked at to make sure it is doing what it should from a longegivity perspective, and I thank you lads for all your constructive comments, and enjoy what decent weather we have this weekend!!

Weeksy

 

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Go hand in hand. I bet it was much worse after the rebuild? (I know you wil say no of course, but you KNOW it was.

Its always going to be better on fuel when its fucked mate... Your comment is a daft one. LOL

As for the chaps 200miles per tank, since he doesnt state what driving style he has, you cant take the piss mate, he may do qtr mile drags on the mad mile every fooking night.

 

well i thought i was only getting 160 miles to a tank at 300bhp, but i was topping up when my gauge read empty and it probably only took Ł40ish. then my gauge packed up and i ran it a little lower than usual (i forgot i hadn't filled up ), and it took over Ł80.
so one persons tankfull could be completely different to someone elses.

 

Get you gauge checked as it was mapped leaner than that.
You should have mid 14s cruising and high 11s full boost.

Mark

 

i dont trust it totaly its only in there to keep an eye on things you know it wont be as accurate as your equipment as soon as ive rebuilt my rear calipers its getting taxed and then ill book it in with your self for a look over as it hasent really moved much for the last year or so

 

lol, I thought you and Andy were talking mpg 'till I read it again properly