Mods,

In the for sale rooms there is stickied posts at the top that clearly state in the titles "do not advertise for non gold members".

Why is it then that every other ad in there is either for sale for a friend, or for sale on behalf of someone without internet access etc etc!!??

A. does this rule not apply anymore?

B. and if not what exactly is the point in paying for a gold membership when all i need to do is get someone with a gold membership to advertise things for me.

Either way i will not re renewing my gold membership when it runs out as I dont believe this site is run very fairly at all.

 

Yes it does.

Every post has a RTM icon on it, why not report the topics you think are actually for members of this site? You seem to expect the moderators to find it, why not help them out?


Whys that pal?

 

Im currently trying to "help" by reporting posts advertising for non old members but waiting for 60 seconds between reports is ANNOYING

EDIT: The ones I reported are off the first TWO pages. Whoever is modding this room needs to do so more actively.

 

The reason I do not think this site is being run fairly is mainly because of the lack of moderating in the for sale rooms that are apparently for gold members only and then theres the petty over moderating of certain peoples sigs, ie Paul at North yorks who is a very valued member of the RS scene but constantly seems to be alienated by over moderation.

 

Dont forget a non gold member is of courses a registered passionford member. You do realise that dont you?

 

Dont forget a non gold member is of courses a registered passionford member. You do realise that dont you?


This is covered in another topic in this room.

 

Nope, didnt realise that, I thought that the rule not posting for non gold members included people who aren't registered on the site.

 

I quote this from the stickied post in the cars for sale section


"If you are found advertising for a non goldmember your goldmembership may be suspended without warning"

 

Yes, that is correct. Sorry, i dont see what your getting at?
To be a NON GOLD MEMBER you must first be a MEMBER surely?

 

I dont see what youre getting at?

It reads to me that only members who have paid for a gold membership have the priveledges of advertising things for sale.

If you advertised for a non gold member (ie someone who hasnt paid the fees) your gold membership could be suspended?

I assumed that to advertise on this site you had to pay fees be it gold membership or traders.

so please can you confirm...... can i advertise cars and parts for sales etc for all my mates who are members of this site but are NOT gold members ie have paid NO fee?

 

Right, if they are advertising on behalf of a NON gold member, who is already a member of the site... that is wrong.

If they are advertising on behalf of someone who ISNT a member of the site, they arent breaking any rules.

Im pretty sure this is right... stu?

 

lol that seems even more crazy!!

surely if you are not allowed to advertise for a member of this site who isnt a gold member then you shouldnt be allowed to advertise for someone who isnt a member of this site at all.

I thought that the only people who can advertise on this site are gold members/traders or those advertising on behalf of gold members or traders?

Not a dig at you Maria..... but if you are correct surely the rules need amending?

 

Maria is correct.
The rules are just fine as they are and they can be found here for anyone who hasn't yet read and understood them.

The policy is in place to stop the huge influx we had of topics such as:
"Not a gold member, who will sell me car for me to save me £10?"

Or more accurately, £20 back then.

I think your upset as the rule you didnt read and understand has scuppered your plan:

Which is odd, as you seem to be a gold member anyway!

 

My understanding of the rule was the same tbh Stu, I thought if you couldnt advertise for a non goldmember of the site, you couldnt advertise for someone who wasn't a member of the site.

How can you prove that peoples "cousin" isnt really their mate who cant be arse to pay fees to sell on here?

 

Yes, please clarify ??

 

If someone is interested in Fords then generally they will be a member of this site, if they wish to advertise they need to be a gold member, the idea of this would have been to stop x amount of users signing up just to advertise a car or parts for sale, this would have flooded the sale rooms with crap from people who's only interest in the site was to sell, not be a part of the board & put to other areas.
Advertising for non members means people who don't use this board, if it was a relation/friend who has something for sale that might be of use to members of this board who otherwise might not see it advertised.
there is normally someone breaking the rules, you can normally tell when a gold member puts a car for sale for sale then one of thier friend, a non gold member answers all the questions.....

 

Exactly.

 

Interesting topic, I am also of the opinion that only Gold members or traders should be allowed to advertise.
Every other week you see items advertised for so called family or friends who have nothing to do with this site, its simply not fair on the users of this board.
Would be interesting to read everybodies opinions on this.

 

Scuppered my plan Stu? what exactly are you on about, just because i question the rules doesent mean i wish to flaunt them!!

I was merely trying to enquire as to what priveleges i actually got for my gold membership fee!!

I do not have a "plan" im just merely irritated that i specifically paid my membership so as i could advertise a part i had for sale but really all i needed to do was ask someone who was already a gold member to do it for me!!

Surely a non member of this site also comes under the non gold member banner!!???

 

Sorry, thats ridiculous.
This is supposed to be community. Are you seriously saying that if my 55yr old mate Paul round the corner who has 4 brand new Rs500 whaletails (True) decides to sell them, I shouldn't be able to make it known on PF so the enthusiasts that need one can buy it? I should tell him he has to join a forum first, which would mean him buying a PC, and an internet connection? Come off it... Who's the winner? NOBODY!

Anyone who doesn't know what they get for their gold membership simply has to read the description here. It says exactly what it has always said.



I was merely quoting you mate, nobody else said it.


Answered above, which I'm sure you would have read before purchasing as you needed to do so to find the link to pay it.

But as you now know, that is against site policy. If anyone unsure about site policy, all you have to do is refer to it here:

No, to be a non Gold Member, you would have to be a member to start with. Had i wanted to exclude anyone who wasn't a passionford member, i would have stated exactly that, but i didn't, i excluded non GOLD MEMBERS, not NON PASSIONFORD MEMBERS.

 

Er no Stu!! you claimed it had scuppered my plan.

I agree with Tabz.

I would like to know exactly how this can be policed? how do you know if a goldmember is advertising for a non gold member or a non passionford member?

for example if i was a non gold member and wanted a gold member to advertise for me he or she would put for example "please contact Mark on mobile number 01234 1234567" not contact markyd3 and therefore no way of tieing the ad to a Passionford member.

the only way to truly police the for sale rooms would be to make it gold member only.


This is just my opinion Stu before you take it as a personal attack at you or something!!

 

This point is becoming tiring now mate. i even QUOTED the plan it had scuppered. Please read it again to see what im talking about. I cant do anymore on this post than i did in post #13 to start with.

 

Yes it is becoming tiring Stu, but you stated it had scuppered MY plan!! i just was making a point that i didnt have a plan so was an unfair assumption for you to make!!

I havent asked for you to make all these replies, i would be very interested in more opinions.

 

Think it through mate. If that were the case the gold member would simply state it was his, nothings gained but teh community loses out on lots of potential items for a set of cars which are dying a death.

The way it runs now, and has done for years, is the best way for the community and the only people who are really bothered are those that don't want to spend £10. Those people can go and find a really busy site that charges nothing to sell their items on, so everyone is a winner.

I fail to see the problem to be honest and would be interested to hear why you feel the current system is so wrong to you as an individual member. Please list the pros and cons as a buyer, and as a seller.

And you did ask me to reply, because all policies on this forum are mine.

 

i can see a bit of each angle here and agree with both sides, but the rules have been set out to accomodate a happy medium.

Marky, im one of those twits that recently 'copied' and 'pasted' a mates advert from another forum over to here for the sale of his car.
i genuinly didnt even think id done anything wrong, until a few days later the actual mate replied on his own for sale thread.
a day later i got a slap on the wrist from the mod of the room and the advert was withdrawn - i completely accept that as i was in the wrong and broke the rules, no arguement from me on that one.


But on the other hand, surely there is no harm in me advertising a car for someone who isnt a PF user.
IE: my dads recently been taken quite ill and it looks like in a safety point of view his driving liciense is going to be withdrawn, so he will no longer be needing his 54 plate mondeo.
are you telling me i cant advertise the car that belongs to my 63 year old dad, but he has to sign up on here and pay £10 for the privelige?

 

No, every post i have made on this topic says its fine to do that.

 

Sorry Stu, i was more aiming that at Marky to question his enterpretation.

sorry if i wasnt clear.

 

Appologies. Probably me, been up most the night with baby, im braindead at the moment.

 

Genuine adverts for non PF members like you have stated Stu, a freind with 5 spoilers or as Kelv has stated his father, is of course beneficial to the PF community.
Its knowing the genuine adverts from the sly ones that is difficult.

 

First of all this post wasnt ever aimed at anyone in particular, all i wanted was confirmation of the rule.

Although i have to be totally honest and say that i still do not believe it is fair.

In my opinion.... if it is ok for a Gold member to post a for sale ad on behalf of a non Passionford member then it should be ok to advertise on behalf of a non gold member aswell as that could be just as beneficial to other members!!.

And yes the gold member could advertise at as his/her own and theres nothing you could do about it, but most wouldnt as they wouldnt want calls about someone elses car/part.

In most cases if you want to sell something via some kind of medium you have to pay to do so.

As Kelvin said there are definately two sides to this debate and therfore probably no actual defined right or wrong answer.

 

Stu one question, you state that all policies on this website are yours?

I was under the impression that this site had been sold to Internet Brands and therefore all policies were now theres?

Although originally all policies were put in place by yourself I ask the question because as the site is now owned by IB who would have the final say in a change of PF policy or for example the addition of the much requested swap room!?

 

IB are extremely happy with the way I nhave run the forum Historically and have introduced no policy changes whatsoever and are happy for me to run the the forum at exactly the same level as i always did. So basically, what i say still goes.

That said, the policy is legally IB's as they are legally responsible for it, but they have deployed me to deal with it and manage it as i see fit, so its still mine. Does that even make sense? LOL.

 

Absolutely m8!!!!

Can we have a swap room!!??? lol

 

Please detail how you wish it to run as the concepot currently escapes me, but I am still feeling a little brain dead.

 

Sounds promising!!!

Im going to send you a PM!!