So Microsoft have finally realeased Windows Vista.

5 versions starting from £100 and you will probally need a new PC
to run it properly.

I still use Win98 SE on 4 out of 5 of my PC's

My advice, wait for everyone else to find all the bugs


Microsoft WILL own the world within 10 years if not already !

 

Don't agree there Simon with the final line. More competition coming about and 10 years is a long time in the technology industry. Look at the big players now, where were they 6/7 years ago? Fledgling or non existent.

Unless Microsoft come up with something exceptionally creative, they will be caught off guard

 

long live Bill

 

I'm with Andy on this

 

bill gates for president he got in with his shock and awe tactics and even now, the likes of apple are only starting to get a grip on things like music

 

No Vista for me.... Linux!

 

no linux for me... compatibility

 

ps i just BOUGHT a copy of Vista Home premium upgrade

i've never bought an OS before in my LIFE, but i tried to steal it, and i failed

 

Windows vista is a piece of shit, the demands it places on hardware is excessive and for what... I am yet to be informed of some new capability that Vista has that is not available in Windows.

The biggest improvement over XP is that it looks prettier, many of the so called features that are allready available in Linux and MacOSX had to be dropped from Vista to make the shipping date.

The system is still built on the shakey foundations of NTFS and as such will suffer from the same issues as previous versions of Windows with regards to performance degragation as the NTFS filesystem with its data fragmentation issues and no information about the data stored in the files was used one again as the much hyped WinFS filesystem was dropped.

The system is slow and bloated.. when compared to OSX and Linux and the features are way behind also

 

don't make me laugh OSX what a pile of old tosh I have an Apple Mac here that I need for compatibility with a lot of design houses and printers and its a frigging nightmare.....

1. Hold down the ctrl key for a right click WTF???

2. Show me the # key

jeez, windows rules

 

I've had Vista Ultimate for a while now off our msdn subscription at work. I love it on my desktop PC, and have just upgraded my Media Center PC to it last weekend as MCE 2005 has always caused me problems (freezing when changing channels, loosing channels randomly and loosing all guide data daily - I put it down to using a USB tv tuner). Vista is running a million times better without a single problem.

 

I'm using windows XP with the Vista theme. Have all the looks of vista at no more expense

 

UnseenMenace

I went through my Vista and must have disabled at least half of the services, as well as all the Aero crap etc

To me it seems more stable than XP, although admittedly it doesn't have and noticeable extra features...

With the NTFS degradation thing, Vista automatically defrags once a week which shows they know how much of a problem it is.

 

But that is the problem why not just use a high performance stable filesystem that does not fragment in the first place, one that offers the features people really require than bloating out the operating system with more applications to cover the flaws.

People pay good money for this and its improvements are by large visual when Microsoft should have done much more

 

You can not blame the mac for how you set it up you can have it right click if you wish to..
The fact of the matter is that OSX is smaller, faster, more secure and stable than Windows.... its been proven look

 

I work with Mac's I am the Mac server lad and guess what I fooking hate them.

Yes you don't have dll and shit like that, but they do funny things out of the blue. Fuck me the hardware the raid controller are out of toys are us.

Give me a windows box or Unix running on a HP DL380.

 

im a hardocre windows fan, but you cannot slate osx (im slowly heading that way)

 

People are misunderstanding me... I simply believe that Microsoft should have abandoned the legacy support and started with a new build instead of selling Windows with a facelift.
The reality is that many of Windows design flaws are simply patched or covered with another application rather than actually being resolved.

The operating system is getting far to large and slugish... My OSX box has a install of 10 gb with Adobe photoshop and OpenOffice... My Linux box has a install of 3gb With OpenOffice and Photoshop... My Xp and Vista boxes both nearly double this and perform worse, are more unstable.

When you look at what Linux and OSX has been capable of doing for the past year, what microsoft have shipped is simply not up to the mark.

https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...598440#3598440

With regards to people mentioning Linux compatibility what is it you need to be compatible with..... I can run Microsoft Office, Adobe Photoshop.. my Canon printer and use the CD printing feature, I can surf the net, I can use Internet Explorer.. I can chat on MSN, I can burn CD and DVD's, My Ipod is supported.
I can support PDF, DOC, XML, XLS, JPEG, JPG, BMP, PCX, MPEG, DivX

I play games on my Wii

 

You run OSX as a server with raid is that correct ?

Just curious as to why and in what situation

 

I just think what Microsoft should have given the consumer is not what they got and the reasons to upgrade are minimal if not non-existent.

Many many people such as SECS are still wisely running Windows98 which is capable of the majority of tasks required by the typical user, upgrading is not required in most situations.
Considering XP is reasonable stable for most people and that most of the problems have been resolved upgrading to the unknown should be questioned simply because XP is better than it ever has been.

save your money spend it on your car

 

https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3598440

just a personal opinion, opinions however are like arse's everyones got one

but considering the software used in the thread that was linked to is FREE it makes you wonder how so much can be charged for something with less functionality

not to mention Vista eye candy is NOT this good

 

Its horses for courses, a friend of mine runs a web farm and does a lot of business with building societies with regards mortgage applications and such like and all his stuff is Apple server based because of the stronger security. But like he says its not that the O/S is particular more secure its just that the spotty, left wing, marxist, anti-capitalist scum of the earth virus developers don't target them because MS is perceived to be the axis of evil

MS Windows has brought stupendous amounts of functionality to your average users desktop with hardware support that was completely unthinkable 15 years ago, most of which people take for granted and only moan when their e-bay digital camera won't connect to the system, due to some shitty piece of driver software!!!

As Apple pioneered the Windows type interface surely they must have had a massive headstart over Mr Gates, but still they managed to fuck it up and if Apple is so dynamic why don't they develop an OS for the PC architecture??

I have been using my desktop PC running XP Professional for 3 years, i use daily MS Visual Studio 6, MS .NET 2003 and 2005, mySQL, MS SQL Server, Internet Information Server 6 etc etc etc and have never had a problem with performance it just works day in day out

and can still somebody tell me where the fecking hell the hash "#" key is on an Apple Mac keyboard

 

Bring back DOS

 

why would any business do something for nothing????

maybe Stu should release his chip maps under a GNU license for the good of everyone

nah I don't think so, most people buy a PC with the O/S installed so the cost is hidden, Microsoft can be expensive don't I know it especially for internet based server software, but thats business!

 

good idea, never had a problem running RM Cobol using Wordstar as my editor

mind you debugging was an absolute bastard

 

I agree with you totally every Operating system has its good and bad points, My Linux box is super stable and real easy to use but in terms of getting it up and running to this point took an excessive amount of time which most people would not wish to spend.

People simply have a problem with the mac in my opinion because they are used to Windows and for no other reason, however Apples problem from my own perspective is that they controll everything to much including the hardware which restricts the consumers choice greatly... If they opened up the hardware platform to developers im sure the market world grow... its the restrictions and costs involved with OSX ownership which are the problem.

The biggest reason to use any system is it does what you require and many people believe that Vista is an improvement because its new when in reality it offers very little that justifys upgrading imho

 

I still use DOS for some of the C compilers I use on some micro processors.

Why change if it works.....Well thats my excuse

 

This was my point exactly....

 

don't you think if Apple opened up the platform they would very quickly experience the same problems that Microsoft have?

anybody # key on the mac?

 

It pains me to say but the Apple MAC platform IS superior.

1) The processor arctitecture is more efficient.

2) The closed OS means that ALL hardware related drivers work
and dont introduce mysterious bugs !

3) Doesnt have the backwards compatiablity hang ups that windows has.

 

People misunderstand the GNU licence at NO point does it state you have to give away your goods or skills at no cost, although many developers using this licence choose to do so... what it refers to is freedom to change and develop and modify an item to suit their own needs.

In this line of thought..... Microsoft and Sony have taken people to court who reprogram the Xbox and PS2 chips under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).... Considering that Stu could be said to be circumventing fords engine management settings, he could be prosecuted in the same manner.... so do you consider this appropriate, after all why would a company support exploitation of their copyright ECU program ?

 

the architecture may be more efficient, but x86 / x64 is more flexible

hell, thats why RISC never really took off...

anyway, im sure i read somewhere that apple are moving to an x86 architecture soon after some deal with intel?

 

no because like Linux is a BSD, Unix, style system its simply more stable platform and this is proven by the fact that Linux/Unix/BSD and all variations are used on the majority of Webservers which have to be stable.... In fact when Microsoft get attacked they defend themselves with a Unix style operating system rather than Windows server

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/20..._a_point_.html

 

they now run core duo

 

windows is also stable.

install XP and office and patch it.

it'll never crash...

its flaw is that it tries to do everything and lets you install whatever the hell you like (like shonky drivers coded in 10mins by a student) and it's only when all this 3rd party stuff tries to interact with it that it becomes unstable.

vista does go quite a way to try and prevent this, just nowhere near as far as apple

anyway lets not forget one of vista's biggest selling points. it's brought x64 support mainstream. how many people even knew about let alone ran windows XP x64 edition?

 

crikey I'm amazed MS run Linux, that is funny

mind you your talking to someone who swapped his EVO VIII GSR with 350hp for a standard small turbo escort cossie

says it all, and I still think I have the better car

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still can't find the # key

 

use Alt+3 for #

 

I use this...

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/winrg.php

 

excellent I'll give that a go, I ended up sending myself an email to the mac with # character in it and everytime I need it to say enter a hex colour code in html I would copy and paste the # from my email