Appetite Suppression / Fat Burning Supplements
12-12-2005, 02:04 PM
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Appetite Suppression / Fat Burning Supplements
Has anyone had any experience with these? Good/Bad/Indifferent?
Also does anyone know the correct spelling / term for 'Efrogen'. I want to do some research on it but search engines on the net cannot work out what it is im looking for.
Also does anyone know the correct spelling / term for 'Efrogen'. I want to do some research on it but search engines on the net cannot work out what it is im looking for.
12-12-2005, 02:24 PM
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By: Matt Danielsson
Note: Ephedra was banned on April 12, 2004 by the federal government.
If you open a bodybuilding magazine or walk into any given supplement store, you get flooded with the wildest claims about the latest diet supplement pill that will make you lose X amount of pounds a week and turn you into a hulking Greek God in 6 weeks.
On the flip side of the coin, we have lawmakers and aggressive media claiming that these diet supplement pills - which are actually just a combination of ephedrine and caffeine and little more in 9 cases out of 10 - kill people right and left and should be banned immediately.
What's up with that? Are they really dangerous, or are they the magic key to ripped abs? The answer is: "Yes" to both questions - all depending on how you approach the issue. It is TRUE that ephedrine has killed people. It is also TRUE that tens of thousands use them with little or no side effects.
Ephedrine = Death?
As with everything else, too much of anything isn't good for you. Vitamins are great, unless you decide to chug a 100-pill bottle a day. THEN you get sick. Not because vitamins are necessarily bad for you, but because you're a moron without common sense who won't read the label.
The same holds true for ephedrine-based diet supplements. It is NOT for everyone. The labels clearly state that kids, pregnant women, those with high blood pressure, and some other medical conditions should not use them. What is more, the labels usually recommend a low to moderate dosage per day.
Let's ask ourselves: How many of the serious cases used as grounds for banning ephedrine in supplements are caused by:
Exceeding the recommended dosage.
Using the product in spite of medical condition.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any statistics for this, but I know that EACH AND EVERY CASE I've read about was caused by one of the two above.
It is my belief that - used sensibly - we have little to fear from ephedrine. We must respect the drug for what a powerful substance it is, and always put our health first. It's like being able to have a beer with your friends once in a while - there's no danger in that as long as you respect alcohol and don't try to drive for a couple of hours afterwards, and recognize the ever-present potential for abuse and alcoholism.
It might sound bizarre to talk about alcohol this way, but it puts a perspective on those who happily swallow ten times the recommended dose of diet pills for weeks on end, and then get surprised when they get sick. In a nutshell: Keep it sane - and safe - and you have little to fear.
Hype And Bogus
So let's look at the other side of fence. The supplement manufacturers market their stuff as the greatest thing since sliced bread, trying to put on a facade of scientific mumbo-jumbo, or using professional bodybuilders in an economic pinch, or the worst of all - trying to wake your competitive instinct by hinting that you can be the guy kicking sand in the face of the other guys on the beach. Any way you look at it, it's 99% hype and bogus.
The bottom line is that most of the active ingredients are ephedrine and caffeine, usually with some herb that supposedly imitates the effect of aspirin. The rest is usually fillers, trying to justify the outrageous claims. Sure - chromium picolinate IS good for you, and WILL help you stay in shape - in the long run. It'll work over the next 6-12 month and make you more sensitive to insulin, which translates to less fat storage. Once again, over the long run. It is NOT some 1-hour magic potion.
The other ingredients are typically herbs and components that created some kind of "revolutionary" study back in the 80s ... But later were proven useless for one reason or another. Nonetheless, the manufacturer can claim exceptional potency by quoting that first, bulls-t study.
Bottom line: It's almost like buying gas. There's very little difference - if any - between the brands that really counts.
What you DO want to look out for is con men who don't deliver the goods. You're paying for high quality, and should expect to receive what's on the label. Be wary of knock-offs that look like a big brand product, but are sold for half the price. Granted, some very well might be legit, but like in the case of creatine: Ask for an independent lab report to verify the claim if you're suspicious.
any help??
Note: Ephedra was banned on April 12, 2004 by the federal government.
If you open a bodybuilding magazine or walk into any given supplement store, you get flooded with the wildest claims about the latest diet supplement pill that will make you lose X amount of pounds a week and turn you into a hulking Greek God in 6 weeks.
On the flip side of the coin, we have lawmakers and aggressive media claiming that these diet supplement pills - which are actually just a combination of ephedrine and caffeine and little more in 9 cases out of 10 - kill people right and left and should be banned immediately.
What's up with that? Are they really dangerous, or are they the magic key to ripped abs? The answer is: "Yes" to both questions - all depending on how you approach the issue. It is TRUE that ephedrine has killed people. It is also TRUE that tens of thousands use them with little or no side effects.
Ephedrine = Death?
As with everything else, too much of anything isn't good for you. Vitamins are great, unless you decide to chug a 100-pill bottle a day. THEN you get sick. Not because vitamins are necessarily bad for you, but because you're a moron without common sense who won't read the label.
The same holds true for ephedrine-based diet supplements. It is NOT for everyone. The labels clearly state that kids, pregnant women, those with high blood pressure, and some other medical conditions should not use them. What is more, the labels usually recommend a low to moderate dosage per day.
Let's ask ourselves: How many of the serious cases used as grounds for banning ephedrine in supplements are caused by:
Exceeding the recommended dosage.
Using the product in spite of medical condition.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any statistics for this, but I know that EACH AND EVERY CASE I've read about was caused by one of the two above.
It is my belief that - used sensibly - we have little to fear from ephedrine. We must respect the drug for what a powerful substance it is, and always put our health first. It's like being able to have a beer with your friends once in a while - there's no danger in that as long as you respect alcohol and don't try to drive for a couple of hours afterwards, and recognize the ever-present potential for abuse and alcoholism.
It might sound bizarre to talk about alcohol this way, but it puts a perspective on those who happily swallow ten times the recommended dose of diet pills for weeks on end, and then get surprised when they get sick. In a nutshell: Keep it sane - and safe - and you have little to fear.
Hype And Bogus
So let's look at the other side of fence. The supplement manufacturers market their stuff as the greatest thing since sliced bread, trying to put on a facade of scientific mumbo-jumbo, or using professional bodybuilders in an economic pinch, or the worst of all - trying to wake your competitive instinct by hinting that you can be the guy kicking sand in the face of the other guys on the beach. Any way you look at it, it's 99% hype and bogus.
The bottom line is that most of the active ingredients are ephedrine and caffeine, usually with some herb that supposedly imitates the effect of aspirin. The rest is usually fillers, trying to justify the outrageous claims. Sure - chromium picolinate IS good for you, and WILL help you stay in shape - in the long run. It'll work over the next 6-12 month and make you more sensitive to insulin, which translates to less fat storage. Once again, over the long run. It is NOT some 1-hour magic potion.
The other ingredients are typically herbs and components that created some kind of "revolutionary" study back in the 80s ... But later were proven useless for one reason or another. Nonetheless, the manufacturer can claim exceptional potency by quoting that first, bulls-t study.
Bottom line: It's almost like buying gas. There's very little difference - if any - between the brands that really counts.
What you DO want to look out for is con men who don't deliver the goods. You're paying for high quality, and should expect to receive what's on the label. Be wary of knock-offs that look like a big brand product, but are sold for half the price. Granted, some very well might be legit, but like in the case of creatine: Ask for an independent lab report to verify the claim if you're suspicious.
any help??
12-12-2005, 02:38 PM
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kay2 - Fantastic, exactly the sort of info I was looking for, thank you 
RSPTG - Agreed, there are some places that still stock some brands tho, granted it is sold behind closed doors.
RSPTG - Agreed, there are some places that still stock some brands tho, granted it is sold behind closed doors.
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Ephedrine is usually taken with a caffine & aspirin mix for best results.
From memory it goes something the caffine is a natural appetite suppressant and the aspirin thins the blood. Your body temp will raise by a degree or two constantly and this is what burns extra callories. I think it also makes your heart pulse quicker, raising blood presure and causing faintness & dizzyness. You will also have trouble sleeping too.
The Ephedrine releases hormones (beta I think) which aid the fat breakdown & burning process.
If you are a "slight" female I would strongly suggest taking half the dose instructed to start out. My missus didn't get on with at all when she took a very low dosage.
From memory it goes something the caffine is a natural appetite suppressant and the aspirin thins the blood. Your body temp will raise by a degree or two constantly and this is what burns extra callories. I think it also makes your heart pulse quicker, raising blood presure and causing faintness & dizzyness. You will also have trouble sleeping too.
The Ephedrine releases hormones (beta I think) which aid the fat breakdown & burning process.
If you are a "slight" female I would strongly suggest taking half the dose instructed to start out. My missus didn't get on with at all when she took a very low dosage.
12-12-2005, 09:42 PM
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Thanks Kieron
Im trying a brand which is indeed mixed with Caffine and Asprin, they are 100mg capsules which the consultant I got them from said should be plenty for me as competitor brands are only 30mg but are taken more frequently.
I am already aware of some side effects it is having so am taking it early in the morning in order to allow me to sleep at night, and im keeping a close watch on my heart rate and how my body is reacting.
A friend who has taken them previously is taking a couple a day but im not confident in them enough for that much so im sticking with one a day.
Im trying a brand which is indeed mixed with Caffine and Asprin, they are 100mg capsules which the consultant I got them from said should be plenty for me as competitor brands are only 30mg but are taken more frequently.
I am already aware of some side effects it is having so am taking it early in the morning in order to allow me to sleep at night, and im keeping a close watch on my heart rate and how my body is reacting.
A friend who has taken them previously is taking a couple a day but im not confident in them enough for that much so im sticking with one a day.
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13-12-2005, 11:25 AM
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You haven't seen me in ages! lol
No, its more down to the binging and boozing ive done for the last few months tbh, the colder weather has given me a monster appetite.
I will however have to be careful from now on drinking on these tablets, they didnt carry any warning about mixing with alcohol, but on the normal amount I am used to drinking (which is a fair bit these days) on Saturday night I passed out, felt sick, had memory loss, and burst a blood vessel in my eye from mild alcohol poisoning
I think I was more concerned about the memory loss than anything else lol From now on I am taking it easy with alcohol - or trying to at least.
No, its more down to the binging and boozing ive done for the last few months tbh, the colder weather has given me a monster appetite.
I will however have to be careful from now on drinking on these tablets, they didnt carry any warning about mixing with alcohol, but on the normal amount I am used to drinking (which is a fair bit these days) on Saturday night I passed out, felt sick, had memory loss, and burst a blood vessel in my eye from mild alcohol poisoning
I think I was more concerned about the memory loss than anything else lol From now on I am taking it easy with alcohol - or trying to at least.
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My gym used to be able to get something called EPH which was a ephedrin, caffine and asprin tablet. 2 of these and you get a major buzz!
I've used a course of them taking them in the morning and before training. It really did help shed the fat, but you can feel your blood pressure raise, and I walked around like I was constantly pumped up.
One guy took them at 8pm and wondered why he couldn't sleep. I wouldn't recommend taking them past 5pm.
I've used a course of them taking them in the morning and before training. It really did help shed the fat, but you can feel your blood pressure raise, and I walked around like I was constantly pumped up.
One guy took them at 8pm and wondered why he couldn't sleep. I wouldn't recommend taking them past 5pm.
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Paul, EPH are the ones that are 30mg capsules, the ones I am taking are called Rage, but yes I agree you can feel your blood pressure climb
13-12-2005, 03:17 PM
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Stu, I put this post up because of the noticable side effects I was having, and it did concern me, but im happy now that providing I dont exceed the recommended daily allowance then I should be ok, I will still keep a close eye on things tho.
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Blimey! I defo wouldn't take one that late in the day, everyone else would be sleeping at night time and you'd have to pull me off the ceiling! 
.....and I had to get up at 6am for morning cardio.. 
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Lee, they have helped a lot in stopping me snacking between meals, and considering our office is packed with chocolate at the mo that is really good timing!
Im not sure about the fat burning part, I dont feel much different but a skirt im wearing today feels a little bigger than usual.
The main thing I notice is that it works your muscles harder with little effort, but because of this I have to be very careful as im pulling muscles in my legs just by running up stairs!
Im not sure about the fat burning part, I dont feel much different but a skirt im wearing today feels a little bigger than usual.
The main thing I notice is that it works your muscles harder with little effort, but because of this I have to be very careful as im pulling muscles in my legs just by running up stairs!
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I cant say where its from im afriad or it'll get the shop in trouble, but its called 'RAGE'. Ive actually run out of them now as I only bought a sample amount to see how I got on, I will be getting more tho
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Used to take ECA after dinner around 6.00pm, could always sleep fine, but used to do a lot of excerise at night, 1 hr in the gym, 1hr in the pool then a relax sessions after, but had no problem sleeping. Other people have though obviously. Did work for me though. Supply is the biggest problem. 
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i've just been looking into these but theres that much stuff on the market that its well blagged me
i want to take some sort of diet/slimming pills as i have a slow metabolism and i like my food! lol
need to loose about 2 stone
what do i need to look out for when buying these tablets?
claire you say u took these rage ones, these recommended to u? also what are the bad sides to taking these sorts of tablets?
cheers for the help
i want to take some sort of diet/slimming pills as i have a slow metabolism and i like my food! lol
need to loose about 2 stone
what do i need to look out for when buying these tablets?
claire you say u took these rage ones, these recommended to u? also what are the bad sides to taking these sorts of tablets?
cheers for the help
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Originally Posted by jamesw
Used to take ECA after dinner around 6.00pm, could always sleep fine, but used to do a lot of excerise at night, 1 hr in the gym, 1hr in the pool then a relax sessions after, but had no problem sleeping. Other people have though obviously. Did work for me though. Supply is the biggest problem.
Proplus, asprin & Eph.
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Originally Posted by jamesw
Used to take ECA after dinner around 6.00pm, could always sleep fine, but used to do a lot of excerise at night, 1 hr in the gym, 1hr in the pool then a relax sessions after, but had no problem sleeping. Other people have though obviously. Did work for me though. Supply is the biggest problem.
Proplus, asprin & Eph.
I have had T-5's and they arevery strong.....and im 17 stone so good knows what thyey would do to a slight gal...
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I have used DYMETADRINE.
Per tablet it consists of:-
30mg Ephedrine
200mg Caffeine
35 mg Aspirin
100 mg Narningin
These tablets worked almost immeadiately, by day 2 I could feel my waistline becoming more ripped.
Have also used Clenbuterol which was very good too, but a lot harder to get hold of.
Per tablet it consists of:-
30mg Ephedrine
200mg Caffeine
35 mg Aspirin
100 mg Narningin
These tablets worked almost immeadiately, by day 2 I could feel my waistline becoming more ripped.
Have also used Clenbuterol which was very good too, but a lot harder to get hold of.
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