TrevCannon

O yes going to build one up for myself

But looking at these cpu & mobo combo's i cant decide which one to go for..

Intel P4 64Bit 3.2Ghz + & LGA775 Via Dual Core Mobo..
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...8361&rd=1&rd=1

or

6.4GHz INTEL PENTIUM DUAL CORE CPU & CHOICE OF MBOARD!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...3241&rd=1&rd=1

Am i right in thinking those combo's are using Pentium 4 CPU's???

also the second link i would want the ASUS mobo because its got the AGP 8x for my graphic card think my current crap p.c is only 4x i aint got a clue!

Also am i right in thinking this is actually what it is in the listings aint going to turn out to be crap running 2.8ghz, lol if that? instead of 6.4ghz, wich it says it does!


Then RAM.. Mushkin Redine PC4000 2gb DDR500 (ive already cop'D a pair on ebay just bidding on them atm)

This is From the Mushkin Website: (took from auction instead lol)

The eXtreme Performance 1GB XP4000 REDLINE module (DDR500) offers memory performance and stability that is unequalled. The module is an unbuffered 184-Pin Double Data Rate (DDR) Synchronous DRAM Dual In-Line Memory Module (DIMM), organized as a dual-bank 128Mx64 high-speed memory array using 64Mx8 chip density. This DIMM achieves high-speed data transfer rates of 500MHz at tight latencies of 3-3-2-8 (CAS-TRCD-TRP-TRAS) and nominal voltage of 2.6 to 2.9 volts. With extreme performance and Mushkin's renowned reliability, the 1GB XP4000 REDLINE is clearly in a class of its own.

Then was thinking of the OS... while im buying & building this might aswell buy an OS to go with it all (i mean as in me using "money" to buy one!) lol, vista home premium..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...9186&rd=1&rd=1


IMO all this seems too good to be true! for the faction of the money im guna spend compairing to all my mates etc.. it seems like afew quid to what they have spent for theres!

Thats all i need is cpu & mobo, ram & an OS, ive got everything else

BM08

Mate you'd be better off getting something like an Amd dual core something like a 4200 x2, you can buy them brand new from any pc site for about £100 or under and it will be faster than any pentium 4(there old hat now).

As for the 6.4GHz one, i think thats aload of bull to be honest.

BM08

Just to back up what im saying have a look at this site http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.ht...=694&chart=174

Choose a pentium 4, and then choose a amd x2 4200 and it will do a comparison of scores, ill bet all the results are much higher than the p4

TrevCannon

mmm.. much better sort of needed that lol, but there go's the budget!! lol & its hard to find an decent amd cheap & with a AGP slot

TrevCannon

The one you said 4200 this...?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AMD-AM2-DUAL-C...QQcmdZViewItem

BM08

Its cheaper brand new on a website mate
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=505239

And yeah it will be a pain because your going for agp and most people when building new pcs want pci-e, it will be hard finding a mobo thats for amd x2 processers AND agp, most if not all of the boards that are compatible with the x2 will be pci-e
I had a quick look on Ebuyer and scan but couldnt see anything initially, might be worth having a proper look yourself on there, you cant search for something on ebay if you dont know what your looking for anyway

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

mate, bin that completely and go for a Core 2 Duo CPU. nothing can beat those atm and AMD are a long way off matching them plus the overclocking scope is endless! They just beat everything at the moment and really isn't worth getting anything else. The only problem is the motherboards that run these cpus are all pci-e. But oyu can get decent one's of those too. Really not worth getting anything else imo as you will find it's just better to spend now rather than waiting a few years and having to spend again. It really is worth it

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=6&subcat=793

I have this and certainly does not dissappoint and overclocked to 3.0GHz.

And do not be fooled by the clock speed. Nowadays that means nothing. This I GUARANTEE is faster than the cpus mentioned above. Plus overclocked and it's just in a league of it's own. I am on overclockers forums a lot as well and built my PC about 3 months ago. Spent £700 roughly and mu budget was initially half that. Got convinced to spend the extra dosh and believe me I am so glad I did

BM08

That wouldnt be as fast as a X2 4200 mate, not stock anyway.
He might not want(or know how) to overclock.............

BM08

[quote="pani_k"]mate, bin that completely and go for a Core 2 Duo CPU. nothing can beat those atm and AMD are a long way off matching them plus the overclocking scope is endless! They just beat everything at the moment and really isn't worth getting anything else. The only problem is the motherboards that run these cpus are all pci-e. But oyu can get decent one's of those too. Really not worth getting anything else imo as you will find it's just better to spend now rather than waiting a few years and having to spend again. It really is worth it

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=6&subcat=793

I have this and certainly does not dissappoint and overclocked to 3.0GHz.

And do not be fooled by the clock speed. Nowadays that means nothing. This I GUARANTEE is faster than the cpus mentioned above. Plus overclocked and it's just in a league of it's own. I am on overclockers forums a lot as well and built my PC about 3 months ago. Spent £700 roughly and mu budget was initially half that. Got convinced to spend the extra dosh and believe me I am so glad I did[/quote]

That link i put up tomshardware, i couldnt do a comparison between my processor and your offering because its not listed but i put mine up agianst a E6600(2.4GHz 4mb cache) and theres not much difference so dont tell me the 1.8ghz beats the X2 4200

For the small budget he has for a processor he wont get any better than a X2 4200, i mean ok the core 2 duo will overclock to faster than the amd but he might not want to mess with it that much and arse about buying extra cooling because the processor is giving off more heat due to the overclock

TrevCannon

thanks guys atm im very confused alot of info for me! but im making notes & putting all this on my list i've got & researching everything & price compairing etc lol!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...0336&rd=1&rd=1

Have found that ^ tho well a seller from ebay e-mailed me it, its got the agp slot but most importantly can it take the cpu's you have have said.. amd X2 4200 dual core?

TrevCannon

OH.. also this i found..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AMD-ATHLON-64-...QQcmdZViewItem

Would that cpu work with the mobo i've just posted up? (plzzzzzz )

BM08

yes mate, mobo and cpu are both compatible

TrevCannon

On top of list now would it be 64-bit compatable aswell? looking at OS's now 32 or 64-bit versions

BM08

yeah 64bit is fine, hence the name Athlon "64" x2 4200

Turbocabbie

x64 processors offer minimal improvements on microsoft platform as minimal applications have been compiled specifically to take advantages of the x64 enviroment and untill this point minimal gains will be made from just having a x64 OS and the belief that x64 Operating System is ALWAYS faster its simply not true.

Similar to the belief that with memory most people believe DDR2 is lower latency than DDR which is often not the case as DDR can usually embrace more agressive ram timings than DDR2 in many situations, its just the improved bandwith capability of DDR2 which overcomes this and sees the improvements.

Each processor stated here has good and bad points without discussing or understanding the difference in architecture its wrong to GUARANTEE one is faster or better than another, no processor endless scope for overclocking and if this is the goal some of the suggestions are poor

Ive been in the clocking scence for over 13 years and am a moderator on the largest overclocking forum on the net, but lets face it who needs to overclock these days, most current mid range PC's are very capable

Go with the Athlon X2 imho... good solid processor

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

The Core 2 Duo has the AMDs pegged at every price bracket. Also the Core 2 Duos have a larger Cache and are simply the performance benchmark now. I had this discussion before on OcUK and got turned to a Core 2 Duo and funnily enogu I wanted the X2 4200 also. Heres the thread

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...php?t=17675798

The prices have changed now but I still think the general consensus is that Intel have AMD at the moment. Nothing can beat the Core 2 Duo range

Turbocabbie

Yes a great source of information is a forum associated with one specific retailer, they obviously have no reason to pimp or promote specific products do they

Its not as simple as saying one overclocks better of is faster, they both are capable processors with good and bad points understanding the difference in architecture clarifys this.

To state that the Nothing can beat the Core Duo range at the moment is simply a vauge and misleading statement without stating at what task and under what conditions. Statements such as these are usually made by people who believe benchmarks are valid measurement of performance.
Under certain situations a specific x86 single core processor will even out perform a core duo at certain tasks.

Both are capable processors with different virtues, I own both Core Duo and AMD x2 rigs and respective to my specific requirements..... given the choice to buy only one... it would be the AMD platform.

BM08

Trev dont worry ill bring you back to laymans terms now if you have a p4 now then if you get a X2 4200 it will be a HUGE improvement at the end of the day
You have to remember "pani k" that this chap is being confused by what were saying so i dont think he will be wanting to overclock a core 2 duo 1.8ghz to 3.0ghz or whatever by what i can gather he is just after a decent upgrade for not too much money, and the X2 4200 would be perfect for that.

Trev has enough info here(and with the links posted above) to make his own mind up what he goes for but ive given my 2 cents more than once

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

I do understand the problem here, I am just relaying what I know and whta I have been told by people who know far more than I do on this and when I mentioned to them I wanted to get the X2 4200 they simply pointed me straight in the direction of a DS3 motherboard and a Core 2 Duo cpu.

At the end of the day it isn't my money or my opinion that is the best but I am only relaying what I have been told

BM08

OK then simple, if you (Trev) fancy trying your hand at overclocking then by the core 2, if you dont fancy it and just want a speedy processor out of the box then go for the X2 4200 (because the x2 4200 is faster at stock speeds than the 1.8ghz core 2)

DanRSturbo

AMD it all the way, and FFS don't buy computer components off e-bay

BM08

Makes mental note but ive never used Ebay before

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

I use ebay for a lot of things but when I built my PC EVERYTHING came from either overlockers or Micro Direct. Both really good companies and I chose those two as some things were cheaper from one rather than the other and one had things that the other didn't and also some things were not in stock from one place but the other may have had them

TrevCannon

Bought the mobo the otherday for lots of.. £28.95!



& also bought these babys today! for................. £45



Mushkin 2x1GB DDR2 PC2-5300.. 667MHz

£75 so far!

slowpoke

ive got a genuine copy of x64 vista home premium that i dont need if you want to buy it

was going to stick it up on fleebay

matt

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

what make is the motherboard?

Eagle

iTrader: (2)

why ????

BM08

i second that question, its all very well buying a cheap mobo but will it actually work

The ram is good though

And the guy with vista, you can shove it where the sun dont shine i installed the basic edition last week and im back on xp pro already

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

not just that but also for reliabity, system stability and if overclocking (which it doesnt look like you are so not a problem) the motherboard is the single most important hardware piece.

Its like buying a shitter of a rusted escort then dumping 500bhp in it

TrevCannon

mmm.. i might do but atm my pocket says.. no! what sort of price tho?

Its an Asrock got it out the box & its a lovely piece


Ebay.. whats ebay? oh yeah ebay i love!! but all them links i posted up is just better because shop sellers actually make an auction an auction something to read about the item lol if that makes sence! i buy from humans on ebay rather than computers (the shop sellers) i call them computers

TrevCannon

I would be insterested in over-clocking but aint got a foooking clue how! on my first crappy p.c its was an P3 800mhz....... i installed a clocking software but i be foooked if it done anything! just wanted to cook it! but yet still wasnt succussful

BM08

Dont get vista, i couldnt get my sound working or webcam, spent 4 days looking for answers on various pc forums and nobody had any answers except install xp agian

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

my godbrother who works in ICT a lot and a lot of advice I get comes from him. He has told me not to touch Vista for at least a year after it comes out. Wait a year he says till they have ironed it all out otherwise it will be heavily flawed.

Which reminds me, when I ring up overlockers tech support on a few problems I had their first question is....

"Are you running Windows Vista?"

DanRSturbo

Vista need's a lot of ironing out.

And for anyone that thinks buying pc components from ebay rathe rthen a shop is a good idea, please be advised that you will need to look at RETURNS and WARRANTY documentation.

If your e-bay seller does not accept a refund, you are more then fucked with a D.O.A (Dead On Arrival) part. At least with Ebuyer, Aria, Redstore, Scan, Dabs etc, etc you have a RMA procedure

Eagle

iTrader: (2)

did you not have any luck on that site i put up the other week mate ???

TrevCannon

got my ram today fitted to the mobo now mmm must say looks good!

Also been having a thingy about the CPU chip i might go higher as im guna leave vista out for a bit, been looking at the 5200+ there 2.6ghz (5.2ghz) L2 Cache 2MB!! i have to have it!

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

might as well get the 5600+ then as thats only £4 more on overclockers. Also mate, how much you want to spend on your CPU? So I have a rough idea then I can give mroe advice on cpu/heatsink combos that can save money or if not just a retail boxed cpu so it comes with heatsink