cossy fiesta

Hi pf,

I am after some advise on this one..

I am wanting to put a 2.0ltr silver top zetec into a kit car mated to a t5 box..

So far I've found out that ill be needing the following

Water pump (apparently they turn the wrong way)
Sump? (not 100% sure I need to change this as I have no cross members etc)
Engine mounts
Water hose kit? (Again space isn't really that tight so not sure if this is needed)
Flywheel
Clutch
Spigot bearing

I am wanting to loose the efi and run bike carbs/twin 40's.
so for this i think I'm going to need the following

Manifold
Carbs
And some way of controlling the ignition?

Is there anything else ill need? As I have bought a complete mk1 Mondeo for the engine so have all of its related parts that run the engine. Can I use the stock ecu in some way to control ignition? Can I keep the coil pack, tps, cps?

Sorry for all the questions. Hopefully some of you guys have done it and can advise.

Cheers

doga-ot

iTrader: (1)

megajolt or megasquirt for ignition ,burton power sell an off the shelf water rail that will bolt straight on, yes you will need to adapt the sump once you have sorted a subframe. you will also need a flywheel to match gearbox

escortmk3rwd

esc or edis4 coil pack and loom does

cossy fiesta

Thanks for the replies guy's..

I won't be running a sub frame as the mounts are part of the chassis, that's why I'm not sure if ill need to change the sump? I suppose it's due to the sump being designed for a fwd car not rear?

Re the ignition control..

esc?? (whats that )

EDIS 4, I think that's what the mondeo has on it already, is this a stand alone unit that just needs a 12v supply?

Cheers,

escortmk3rwd

esc is a late escort mk4 management early mk5 escort and early mk3 fiesta none single point injection ive got all my conversions on that my 2.0 16v silvertop rs16i rep and on 45s my shedscort 2.0 16v 40s silvertop my old van was on ebay that had bike carbs on cbr600 done loads of zetec mk3 mk4 conversions and use that management youve got 3 wires 1 you dont use black is live and brown earth thats it

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

Wouldn't use a T5 gearbox, a Type 9 is simpler and cheaper to fit.

All RWD parts such as the sump, water pump, alternator kit, flywheel, clutch and water rail kit can be bought from Retro Ford LTD, but they aren't that cheap.

cossy fiesta

That's great thanks for explianing that! Mucho helpful.

What sort of power did you get with the 40's compaired to the bike carbs mate?

escortmk3rwd

ive got 2x escorts on 40s a zetec a cvh and rep on 45s there a pain in arse inlet very expensive i would use bike carbs drill jets out by 0.5 to 0.7 and use a fuel pump off a motorbike then dont have to use a regulater my pal makes bike carb inlets pinkzeteccabby off ebay

cossy fiesta

Problem is, is space is tight as the car already had a t5 box in it (although sold now) would be easier just to bolt another back in.
Are the type 9's the same length/size do you know?

Are all those parts needed though? That's more what I was trying to find out? I know the flywheel/clutch will but is the sump needed?


thanks,

cossy fiesta

Thanks for that! What inlet mani is best to use bog bros or I've seen a package deal on ebay for inlet + bike carbs ready to go for about £300 odd?

cossy fiesta

These

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Zetec...3#ht_980wt_932

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

Type 9s are much smaller and cheaper mate

They are very slightly shorter too.

With reagards to the sump - depends where the Crossmember sits. You may be able to get away with a 1.8 -litre Zetec sump which is near to a front bowl and a 2.0-litre sump is the near to a rear bowl.

Either can be modified to suit if there's not much work, otherwise fork out on a proper RWD item. Make engine mounts from a chassi mount kit and water rail totally depends on clearance at the back of the head.

Clutch and flwheel - use a 1800 Zetec flywheel re-drilled to take a standard Pinto clutch.

Spigot bearing is normal Ford item, about £5 and fits straight in.

cossy fiesta

Hmm I wonder how much shorter they actually are? As I really don;t want to be making another prop up.. Do they mount in a simliar fashion to the T5?

I have no cross member as the engine mounts are part of the chassis so I have no resrication what so ever re sump clearences

What's wrong with the 2.0 ltr flywheel? can that not be re-drilled for a pinto clutch? (tbh it doesn't really matter what flywheel I use as I haven't got one atm, engine is from a 2.0 ltr Auto).

Chassis mount kit? Is that the retro ford ones?

Sorry for all the questions, really appreciate the help.

Thanks

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

Were you defiantly using a T5 gearbox? As that's quite rare for a kit car unless you were running a V8 or Cosworth YB engine? Type 9 is what they normally come with? Length wise - less than an inch I would say.

Understand you won't want a new prop made, although a T5 costs about £350-400 and a Type 9 costs £100. Plus the flywheel set up for a a Zetec to a T5 costs a bit so worth a thought.

A 2.0 litre Zetec uses a 240mm flwyheel, which doesn't fit in a Type 9 bellhousing as they use 220mm clutches.

Chassis mount kit can come from most places, Retro Ford LTD or Alachi are good.

With regards to crossmember - you must have a steering rack crossmember to avoid though? That will dictate the sump clearance, which will dictate the engine mounts and position, which will dictate the size of the prop anyway!

Hope that helps!

cossy fiesta

Yeah definatly a T5 as it was running a turbo cossie

Hmm yes definatly, I don't want to spend out big bucks, when some small mods can be made to fit a type 9..

No, no crossmember or anything underneath, it's a custom built cds tube'd car so has chassis rails. the steering rack is way up front so defo no probs with sump clearences.

Thanks again,

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

You're laughing then! Get a dummy Zetec with a either sump, bolt a Type 9 to it - it will be easier in the long run and fit the prop up (should slot in the same). Make sure you have clearance for the thermostat at the back on the head and away you go - should be a cheap conversion

cossy fiesta

That's great.. Thanks again