Sierra legs on a mk1/2 escort
20-05-2015, 04:43 PM
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Sierra legs on a mk1/2 escort
Hey all I'm building a mk3 rwd escort (genesis/gartrac) and was wondering its setup for mk2 running gear at moment is it benefitial for me to fit Sierra front legs and if so will it change the geometry of the front better for handling
20-05-2015, 05:12 PM
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It had a 5 link English on it but opting for a baby atlas or gm (American) axel unless I can pick up another 5 link
The whole front will be adjustable, ok that's cool what's the biggest brakes that a old escort/Capri hub will take
The whole front will be adjustable, ok that's cool what's the biggest brakes that a old escort/Capri hub will take
20-05-2015, 05:43 PM
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Depends how wide you want the front be really.
On my escort mk2 I have sierra coilovers-hubs-tca's-crossmember. I got a set of sierra adjustable tca's, so I could remove some of the massive camber the whole wider track set up created, and had to open the top mount holes towards the exterior of the car. The wheels fit exactly inside the fiberglass arches, but with no wheel spacers.
The good thing is that without the use of spacers, the steering is lighter than that of other escorts that had 5 cm spacers on each side.
On my escort mk2 I have sierra coilovers-hubs-tca's-crossmember. I got a set of sierra adjustable tca's, so I could remove some of the massive camber the whole wider track set up created, and had to open the top mount holes towards the exterior of the car. The wheels fit exactly inside the fiberglass arches, but with no wheel spacers.
The good thing is that without the use of spacers, the steering is lighter than that of other escorts that had 5 cm spacers on each side.
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20-05-2015, 05:53 PM
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Yeh the track is my main issue as I want it to look and sit like a standard mk3 escort and I know there is a difference between classic rwd escorts, fwd escorts and sierras so I'm trying for a happy medium,
It's got adjustable top mounts and it will have the adjustable tca's so it should give me a be of leeway
The compression struts should help push the centre of wheel position right,
Does your setup find buying wheels harder or does it run a similar et
It's got adjustable top mounts and it will have the adjustable tca's so it should give me a be of leeway
The compression struts should help push the centre of wheel position right,
Does your setup find buying wheels harder or does it run a similar et
20-05-2015, 06:18 PM
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Basically I got a cheap set of 6 magnesium 16" azevs that where on a group a escort and later a similar set of compomotive 5 spokes (both second hand).
The offset is I think et35 but can confirm this tommorow if you like. I will measure the front track aswell, so you can compare my end result to the mk3's.
The compression struts are the easiest way to get the wheel center - set the castor angle, but I found that I liked the handling better with the sierra cosworth arb. One of my next plans would be to try and fit both the comp struts and arb together.
Also the sierra hubs have a lot bigger bearings.
The offset is I think et35 but can confirm this tommorow if you like. I will measure the front track aswell, so you can compare my end result to the mk3's.
The compression struts are the easiest way to get the wheel center - set the castor angle, but I found that I liked the handling better with the sierra cosworth arb. One of my next plans would be to try and fit both the comp struts and arb together.
Also the sierra hubs have a lot bigger bearings.
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20-05-2015, 06:50 PM
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I was looking at possibly drilling the arb to accept a machines fit setup so the bar can be adjusted, yeh it'll be nice to know what the track would be, the rear might be the hardest as I think I can only use spacers to change the width
Yeh the Sierra hubs have a better bigger bearing setup and have a bigger better range of brake upgrades
I might just buy a load of second hand legs and arms etc to see what suites
Yeh the Sierra hubs have a better bigger bearing setup and have a bigger better range of brake upgrades
I might just buy a load of second hand legs and arms etc to see what suites
20-05-2015, 07:29 PM
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On the rear you can only use spacers, due to the axle setup, but I don't think it affects handling, since the camber is fixed and the major handicap is always moving both wheels in relation to the car.
I have a capri 52" rear axle on my escort, and if I remember correctly, it is the same width with the sierra front end. I will confirm this tomorrow.
I have a capri 52" rear axle on my escort, and if I remember correctly, it is the same width with the sierra front end. I will confirm this tomorrow.
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20-05-2015, 08:39 PM
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I am running sierra legs on my mk2 Cortina, if you want to keep the wheels in the same place as your escort legs you will need to move the strut tops in by around 4-5'', as said above the sierra leg is better than the escort you will have to spend a lot of money on the escort leg to bring it up to the same spec.
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20-05-2015, 09:09 PM
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If you have a sierra and a escort leg to hand you can measure the difference by placing a long straight edge on the hub face then measuring in to the top of the strut, you need to watch out with wheel offsets with the sierra legs I have 7'' wide wheels with 195 tyres 0et and there quite close to the leg.
21-05-2015, 07:14 AM
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Right here goes:
The current front set up is
2wd cosworth crossmember, adjustable tca's, 4wd hubs and group a uprights.
I have 6mm spacers on each side so the second hand 6 pot calipers and 330 disks are centered.
Total width front 1.660
Rear - Capri atlas axle with disk brakes = 1.620
Used to have spacers.
Wheels are 16x8 with offset of et25 (25mm diference between the middle of wheel and mounting face).
these wheels come very close to the strut (possibly 4~5mm clearance), but a wheel with 0 offset should be 25 mm more clearance.
The reason I took the spacers off the rear, is i am currently changing spec and fitting 16x9 wheels on the back
Hope this helps, anything more we can help just ask!
The current front set up is
2wd cosworth crossmember, adjustable tca's, 4wd hubs and group a uprights.
I have 6mm spacers on each side so the second hand 6 pot calipers and 330 disks are centered.
Total width front 1.660
Rear - Capri atlas axle with disk brakes = 1.620
Used to have spacers.
Wheels are 16x8 with offset of et25 (25mm diference between the middle of wheel and mounting face).
these wheels come very close to the strut (possibly 4~5mm clearance), but a wheel with 0 offset should be 25 mm more clearance.
The reason I took the spacers off the rear, is i am currently changing spec and fitting 16x9 wheels on the back
Hope this helps, anything more we can help just ask!
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gingerturbo (21-05-2015)
21-05-2015, 08:16 PM
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Yeah mate, it is necessary to have the hub and bearing tight.
Also I have tried as mention earlier and found the differences between std sapph hubs, 2wd sapph cossie, xr4x4 and finally 4wd cossie hubs
Without going into to much detail, for my set up the cossie 4wd hubs have better geometry, and the height of the tca connection gives an extra 35 mm of lowering, without changing the tca and steering arm angles.
Hope what I am saying is understood!!
Also I have tried as mention earlier and found the differences between std sapph hubs, 2wd sapph cossie, xr4x4 and finally 4wd cossie hubs
Without going into to much detail, for my set up the cossie 4wd hubs have better geometry, and the height of the tca connection gives an extra 35 mm of lowering, without changing the tca and steering arm angles.
Hope what I am saying is understood!!
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