JjCoDeX75 Lmao, there only a tenner If it will stop you moaning, you can have mine when i get my beam if you havn't sorted something by then!

 

ROFL - Star!

Depending on your timescale, I may well take you up on this, but may have a chat with Mike in the mean time!

Tenner - think Im made of money?


JJ

 

Nearly there now guys

the beam is fitted to the car, just need to bolt everything else on and get the new exhaust fitted etc, then have the geometry looked at

pics so far



it's amazing how i couldn't get into my head how the new beam would adjust to actually improve grip and alter geometry etc.....but then when it's there in front of you it's so simple LOL

 

Nice one Martin,

Cant wait for a report on how much difference it makes

 

will do mate, should be in the next couple of days

 

Good work Martin - keep us posted!

 

the beam is on and the car now driveable...hate the new mongoose though

it instantly feels better tbh, it's instantly noticeable that it's stiffer and more surefooted. Just need to get it setup now and i'll throw it into some corners

 

you'll get used to the goose

dont throw it too hard into the corners. We dont want you killing yourself until you have written a lenghty report on how much better having a proper beam is

 

i'm careful driver really

it seems good after the few short journeys i've done, although it's literally only been set by eye, so it's gonna be all over the place geometry wise.

the exhaust is slightly knocking on the beam too (the mounting bracket on the exhaust needs bending to clear the trailing arms, obviously it needs slightyl more )

oh and it's the strapped version btw ( i think i said i was getting a normal one before)

updates by the end of the week hopefully

 

Am interested myself

Whos setting it up for you?!

 

not sure yet

maybe a guy who lives locally if i can get hold of him lol

otherwise not too sure, possibly Brom if he isn't too busy, i'll have to call him and check.

My dad could do it tbh, but we just don't have the equipment needed

 

Keep us posted Martin - very interested in hearing about the difference

 

take it to chemix mate, they do a FREE 4 wheel laser track allignment, inc camber/castor/toe checks etc. Then take it home and adjust it, then take it back to another chemix and get it checked again - If you go to halesowen one, they will probably let you adjust the beam there and then if you offer them a good drink top bunch of lads, a few of them have had cossies in the past

 

hmmmm i have seen a Chemix in Brierley Hill.....shame there's none closer. I'll keep that suggestion in mind though

 

It is normal to have to cut the brackets off the exhaust and reposition them with the 6° rear beam... .

 

Wil

Do you know how much they charge roughly for a set-up ( assuming all adjusters are freed off etc )

 

i know, Brom told me i'd have to...we actually did a very good job tbh i thought, but under hardish braking it just knocks a little...the brackets haven't been cut either yet, just bent with my mighty arm strength

it feels good even with the 'miles from perfect' geometry...the back end actually follows the front

 

Aha, info like that is good to know. Any other knock-ons of fitting one of these beams?

 

Oh did one forget to mention that to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Trouble is they are not motorsport specialist, and hence you will get billed for each adjustment, so camber is say Ł20, Toe is Ł20 etc etc, you might be better off wandering in and chatting to the lads on the shop floor, they will probably sort you out if you sort them out Never ask anyone in the office as they will just sting you full price , and a spin in the car afterwards is always a good bribe

 

That would be another reason NOT to do it at home in the garage

 

I have SOMEONE else setting my bits & bobs up!

 

Message received and understood

 

Great thread this fellas
I'll be investing in one of these rear beams soon I think

 

i set it up next meet if u want

 

Looks good Martin

Cant wait to find out how you got on with it.



JJ

 

Thanks for the offer buddy but i've just had it set up

(i was gonna call and see if you were available, but i couldn't find time to get to your neck of the woods , but again thanks for the offer)

The beam is fookin awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i just had it set up at Chemix in Wordsley (they have some great gear for this sort of thing )

basically the settings when we got there were ;

just over 2degrees camber on the rear left and about 1.5degrees rear right, which wasn't too bad tbh....but the toe was a 'little' bit out we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible )

Afterwards i now have ;

2 degrees camber either side
1mm toe in either side.



they also gave me a graphs of all of the geometry settings, with front/rear setback, lateral offset, track width difference and axle offset, i'll post these if any1 is interested, although i doubt you are

Driving the car now is just so so good , the rear end feels so connected, you turn the car in a little and the rear follows so sharply, it almost surprise you tbh lol...and then when you put the power down as your exiting a corner, the car feels more stable and less likely to bite....before it felt like you could actually feel the bushes struggling to keep the suspension where it was supposed to be, and it gave it a very twitchy feel. Now you can put the hammer down and the car will exit smoothly and without drama.

I've yet to drive it really really hard, but as soon as i do i'll give my findings lol!

MASSIVE THANKS TO BROM, THE BEAM IS AWESOME, THANKS MATE

 

Totally agree Although the Sierra competed in the Pro class in Time Attack 3 weeks ago and was flying around Combe this weekend on a Beam that was set up by eye

Nothing like proper preparation

Looking forward to driving it when its set up properly after what you have said. Hopefully the cronic understeer will be better

Mines a Brom beam too

 

no worrys there then glad you like it getting the toe in angle is the most important thing camber angles you can play about with but its the toe in that counts rember this when buying other beams out there that dont have ajustablitly on the toe angle
i have sold lots more road beams now i doing them for Ł550 its more afordable to ya avrage cozzy driver

 

Whose eye though

 

laser guided eyesight??

 

martoon is a cooont but he is right when ya know what ya looking at ya can get it very close by eye the hardest bit is front end trimin the sterring wheel stright as mike knows when i did his saff i wont be happy till its completly straight

 

Yes, I can certainly vouch for that Brom - you got my steering wheel spot on
Not many people would have taken the time
It's one of my pet hates with a 3 spoke steering wheel if it's slightly off centre.

Martin
The beam sounds great

 

adjustability is the key to get any car handling anywhere near good as even from shell to shell you will struggle to keep the same settings on std parts.
personally i prefer alittle more toe than that for straight line stability but you will probably never get to try it any other way, but if your hapy with it then all is good

and if you set it up with lazer alignment then keeping the steering wheel straight is a piece of piss

 

when do you get bad understeer porkie ? i dont get it on mine and mines the same with a bit less hp

 

What front diff do you have Mark?

 

i dont now ive sold it

but did have an open and then a plated why ?

 

Not read the entire thread but my Escort was a dog going round corners (i'm sure the driver did not help at all!). The thing would understeer more than my 309 diesel!!LOL

I think the centre diff has something to do with it - constant drive to the front and variable to the back just don't sound right to me. Surely the back should have the constant drive and the front be variable!

 

Reason I ask is because Porkies car turned in well until an ATB was fitted, it will be removed real soon!!

 

possibly the root cause pal i did try an atb in a 4wd sapphire one but not in anger enough to say wether it was good or bad tbh, id be interested in what you find

are you running a plated ?