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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 01:15 PM
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having read this thread it has opened up my eyes to what is involved in engine building. I can now appreciate the time , skill and effort that goes into making a top performing engine. In turn it is fair to say that when people are quoted prices, we can see why.

I still want to have a bash at building an engine, in time i will have a go.

keep up the informative posts on this and many other tech subjects, it does make some interesting reading and can only benefit our fellow enthusiasts
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Fantastic pictures, espeically of the work to the crank

Shame you havent got a before picture as well!
Crank was a standard 4x4 Cozzy item

Not got a pic though

Suppose any 4x4 Cozzy crank pic could be used for comparison
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 01:23 PM
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Heres one but not a closeup

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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 09:20 AM
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Stu, thats still good enough for people to see the difference in the other one, especially the knife edging
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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 09:38 AM
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what sort of price should i be expecting to pay to have a bottom end balanced with knife edged crank?
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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 10:24 AM
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Good thread Chip mate. Will have a proper read when i get time
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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 11:31 AM
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Very good thread chip.

Just like to add i usually use some graphite based assembly lube.

I'm not usually sure how long it will be between build and running so prefer this to engine oil.

Are you going to cover running in practises after this? Makes sense and always generates some good discussion!
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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Garage19
Very good thread chip.

Just like to add i usually use some graphite based assembly lube.

I'm not usually sure how long it will be between build and running so prefer this to engine oil.

Are you going to cover running in practises after this? Makes sense and always generates some good discussion!
Im not mate, you are, in the new thread you are about to start

No excuses!
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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 12:12 PM
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Soooooo over my head!!! my its threads like these that make this site sooo much better than other the other dross.
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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 12:24 PM
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HI, All,

Chip good topic, only thing i can add is to also fit thrust washers & correct way round, also with the main caps fit in the correct location in the
block in relation to the front of the engine 12345, order,
and fit the pistons to rod's the correct way around, with the rings also in the correct order ie comp rings at the top of piston and oil ring at the bottom spaced around the piston before fitting into cylinder bore, keep rods & bigend caps also in order of removal,or if buying aftermarket rod's keep in order. some of this may seem obvious, but to other's a lerning curve which this topic is all about.
DAVE R.


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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 12:31 PM
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People may be interested in this CVH build topic i did some time ago, not very technical but very pictorial.

https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99889
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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
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Very good thread chip.

Just like to add i usually use some graphite based assembly lube.

I'm not usually sure how long it will be between build and running so prefer this to engine oil.

Are you going to cover running in practises after this? Makes sense and always generates some good discussion!
Im not mate, you are, in the new thread you are about to start

No excuses!
Ok, give me an hour and I'll see what i can do. No work this avo then!
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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 12:47 PM
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DaveR, i will cover most of that in the later chapters anyway mate, but yes those are all good valid points
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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 01:59 PM
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another good read
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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Red16
what sort of price should i be expecting to pay to have a bottom end balanced with knife edged crank?
http://www.wdbltd.co.uk

They are based in Halesowen - West Mids

Crank, Flywheel, Clutch Cover, Rods, Pistons, Con Rod Pins, Front Pulley and Crank Bolt.

All the above items are needed as all go towards final balancing.

Crank knife edged, all other components are lightened and weight matched.

ISO/BS Certificate issued "balanced @ 8000rpm"

This company also balances turbine rotors and are Rolls Royce approved.

Hopefully my picture shows their quality !

Cost for a Pinto/Cozzy bottom end balance and knife edge apprx £300
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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 07:22 AM
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RS2000CUSTOM thanks a lot
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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Red16
RS2000CUSTOM thanks a lot
No probs mate

Their works appears to be spot on

BUT

Only when engine is running can I pass a final opinion on how good they are

I am confident though !!

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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RS2000CUSTOM
Originally Posted by Red16
RS2000CUSTOM thanks a lot
No probs mate

Their works appears to be spot on

BUT

Only when engine is running can I pass a final opinion on how good they are

I am confident though !!

that sounds fair enough any idea when you will have the engine running?
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 06:43 PM
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wow,just remembered this thread,was a good time when we had the technical threads going

this one in particular goes to show why YB builds done properly cost what they do. there may be less than £2k of parts,but it takes hours and hours to properly measure,balance,prepare,weigh etc etc and then every nut and bolt needs to be torqued and loctite'd up.

if you think a companies price is really cheap,then it usually is for a reason no names mentioned

i loved building my old engine up, i didn't enjoy removing it and stripping it when it was covered in oil though
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:13 AM
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got me worried now chip i have only done the assembly of my engine (built a few zetecs before with no probs)

i gave the block, pistons, rods and crank to the machine shop, so i hope they done all the neccessary measurements as then specced the bearings and bored the block!

i decided to go 0.5mm oversize on the pistons, so the block had to be bored to suit. the machine shop measured and numbered the pistons to go in the appropriately bored cylinder







and then the block was honed so the piston rings will bed in



they also polished the crank



and got the bearings, heavy duty big ends (left), and std mains (right)




didnt take too many pics of the build unfortunatly

pistons on rods



bearings and crank installed - the black stuff is graphogen grease



pistons and rods installed





head gasket, oil pump gasket and bolts etc



siemans 680cc injectors



piper cam kit



ported/polished and big valve head



head on



thats all the pics i have at the mo uploaded, ill try and find the ones of the cam kit installed, and the timing belt and pums etc on, but will take a while to find.


lightened billit flywheel, its a cosworth style one with a zetec bolt pattern to allow the use of a T5 gearbox



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Old Dec 28, 2006 | 03:02 PM
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Great read!

Is there any difference or different recommendations for building a boosted engine rather than an NA one?
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 08:44 PM
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No differance in build practice but the clearances will be totally different from NA to forced induction.....mainly just in the piston to bore and ring gaps. The clearance will differ with each piston make(material) and will finally be determined by how the engine is to be used in terms of heat ranges,ultimate power figure and depending if you like a sniff of nitrous or not.
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