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Old 26-12-2018, 10:18 PM
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I've started looking into this mod and I've started working out wot fittings I will need as I run a 2wd head . so I will still need to send a oil feed from somewhere to the turbo . I'm going to open up the 1/4 NPT up to 3/8 NPT witch will have a AN-10 size fitting coming back from the oil cooler set up
Old 27-12-2018, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by COLEYST200
I've started looking into this mod and I've started working out wot fittings I will need as I run a 2wd head . so I will still need to send a oil feed from somewhere to the turbo . I'm going to open up the 1/4 NPT up to 3/8 NPT witch will have a AN-10 size fitting coming back from the oil cooler set up

happy xmas mate good luck with the new motor mines at pj motor sport but on hold till me mortgage is sorted .house eating all me money
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Originally Posted by dingla rs



happy xmas mate good luck with the new motor mines at pj motor sport but on hold till me mortgage is sorted .house eating all me money
so wot your saying you have come all the way down to Birmingham and you have not told the lads you was down here lol .
Happy Xmas to you mate
Old 27-12-2018, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by COLEYST200
so wot your saying you have come all the way down to Birmingham and you have not told the lads you was down here lol .
Happy Xmas to you mate
been there since April mate il see people when I come for it
Old 30-12-2018, 05:22 PM
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Just a small update of some of the parts that have turned up so far I've got pocketed pistons coming from brandshatch but as it's Xmas it's taking some time in them getting here .











Old 31-12-2018, 07:23 AM
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Santa has been very generous. Looks like all the bits for a good strong build. Good look with this one mate
Old 31-12-2018, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by markk
You really need to be fitting liners, these blocks are so old now you have no idea what the wall thickness's are.
totally agree with that comment, even on a 200 block you’re gonna need liners for it to even stand a chance

Cheers Paul
Old 31-12-2018, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by turbotrev


totally agree with that comment, even on a 200 block you’re gonna need liners for it to even stand a chance

Cheers Paul
Hi mate are you talking from experience ??

my 200 block dose have a liner down number 3 now as it had some damage in it so I had a linner put in it . Iv never been told that 200 blocks need linners in them for 500Bhp . Please give me more info if you have it

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What oil pump are you using? Looks like a standard pinto pump but presumably you’re gonna swap the lid for a cossie one? Be careful as I bought a pinto pump and fitted my freshly skimmed cossie lid, fitted the sump ect and when I fired my engine up I was only getting 40 psi oil pressure so had to strip it back down again and get a pump suitable for a yb
Old 31-12-2018, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by COLEYST200
Hi mate are you talking from experience ??

my 200 block dose have a liner down number 3 now as it had some damage in it so I had a linner put in it . Iv never been told that 200 blocks need linners in them for 500Bhp . Please give me more info if you have it

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Mine was fine with a 200 at 500bhp till I chucked a rod lol but as a road car track cars do take more shit. Sleeves and proper liners are two very different things. A sleeve will repair and damaged bore. A proper liner will add strength to the block
Old 31-12-2018, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ajamesc

Mine was fine with a 200 at 500bhp till I chucked a rod lol but as a road car track cars do take more shit. Sleeves and proper liners are two very different things. A sleeve will repair and damaged bore. A proper liner will add strength to the block
Exactly most sleeves are grey iron which isn’t that strong where as liners will be ductile iron or steel
Old 31-12-2018, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam-M
What oil pump are you using? Looks like a standard pinto pump but presumably you’re gonna swap the lid for a cossie one? Be careful as I bought a pinto pump and fitted my freshly skimmed cossie lid, fitted the sump ect and when I fired my engine up I was only getting 40 psi oil pressure so had to strip it back down again and get a pump suitable for a yb
The oil pump is from Burton power and it's a WRC spec pump as I've had the block modded to oil jets so no need for the spray Barr now
Old 04-01-2019, 05:49 PM
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Some more parts turned up yesterday and I've been promised my new pistons next week



Old 06-01-2019, 03:23 PM
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I had 10 min to my self today so I had a look at drilling and taping the block up to 3/8 NPT


Before starting standard size

1/2 way down the hole with the drill

Drilled all the way to the bottom of the hole ready for the 3/8 NPT tap

Tapped out and threads cleaned out

3/8 NPT to AN-10 fitting tryed in and all good

And the set up I will be running when the motor gose together . Up to now I'm very happy the way it's going
Old 07-01-2019, 05:43 AM
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Is this the set up your going to be running ,I had the same on my old engine ?

Old 07-01-2019, 06:05 AM
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Yes mate 100% the same setup even the WRC brether set up . Any thing that will help the motor last longer and a reliable 500bhp that's all I won't from it
Old 08-01-2019, 05:35 AM
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what has been done to the oil filter area on that pic of the block?
Old 08-01-2019, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ossie cossie
what has been done to the oil filter area on that pic of the block?
Hi I don't no as that's not my motor
Old 08-01-2019, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ossie cossie
what has been done to the oil filter area on that pic of the block?
looks like flow and return to external - remote oil filter / pump to me
Old 08-01-2019, 01:34 PM
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Wot we was talking about is this Toby this is a photo of your new motor . I have seen them like this before but I don't no if it's just a bolt on kit . Or it's how the block was made

Old 08-01-2019, 01:35 PM
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Looking at it again the block has been on a milling machine and re worked
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Originally Posted by COLEYST200
Hi mate are you talking from experience ??

my 200 block dose have a liner down number 3 now as it had some damage in it so I had a linner put in it . Iv never been told that 200 blocks need linners in them for 500Bhp . Please give me more info if you have it

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most 200 blocks will be fine at 500 hp on the original bore but even though it’s the stronger block they are still nearly 30 years old now and your gonna double and half again it’s original power output.

The metal fatigues with time and they they are just getting too old now.

Sure it could be fine but if rebuilding it all and for the cost I’d liner it, is it worth the risk just for it to split a bore....

Cheers Paul
Old 08-01-2019, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by COLEYST200
Wot we was talking about is this Toby this is a photo of your new motor . I have seen them like this before but I don't no if it's just a bolt on kit . Or it's how the block was made
Originally Posted by COLEYST200
Looking at it again the block has been on a milling machine and re worked
Oil filter aperture machined away then plugged to allow the back of the gallery to be used.
Old 08-01-2019, 04:21 PM
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Didn’t realise it was my engine as it has been painted since. Yes, I can see now that mine was done like that. It feeds to an ally pipe with all the pressure sensors etc on it. I cannot remember much as it has been so long.
Old 10-01-2019, 04:07 PM
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What are the bottom ends on th engines like to rebuild. Ie big end shells and so on??
Old 10-01-2019, 05:32 PM
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I guess It’s only an old pinto so it cannot be too hard or complicated. I haven’t rebuilt that part of an engine before but if I had to I think something like a pinto would be the place to start....keep it all in order in a super clean environment and follow the torque instructions....
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I’ve built a fair few engines at work if you took it apart and have all the torque data there pretty simple. We deal with new stuff at work if a component goes it’s replaced with new.
I think reconditioning is where things get difficult. When you have to measure parts and get them machined or decide for yourself if things are in or out of tolerance and ok to use again. That’s when engine building becomes more involved. I seen a fair few mates now rebuild there old engines only for them to last a couple of years before something goes wrong. Tolerances are very important especially if your going for power
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Yeh I suppose if your just changing shells it could be fairly easy.

It's been very long time since I've done any engine work. Normally these days it just fit a new engine instead of preparing it.
Old 11-01-2019, 03:55 PM
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More parts turning up this week





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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
I guess It’s only an old pinto so it cannot be too hard or complicated. I haven’t rebuilt that part of an engine before but if I had to I think something like a pinto would be the place to start....keep it all in order in a super clean environment and follow the torque instructions....
Your right toby but the only difference is that pinto and cosworth have a different tolorenc on the shells .to witch I found out some years back on my 3dr cosworth when Matt Lewis sold me pinto shells for a standard cosworth crank let just say it did not last long .
Old 12-01-2019, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by COLEYST200
Your right toby but the only difference is that pinto and cosworth have a different tolorenc on the shells .to witch I found out some years back on my 3dr cosworth when Matt Lewis sold me pinto shells for a standard cosworth crank let just say it did not last long .
oops, that is not good.

with the cost of Cossie bits it is a big risk if something is not right, that’s why I am sending my engine to Mark Shead for a quick check over and a few bits.

yours looks like you will be building up soon? What colour will you paint the block?

My New TT Engine will hopefully be finished this week.
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I'm not 100% shower wot colour to do it I've . I've been doing them silver as of late as when you get a oil leak like they all do you can see ware it's coming from
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Just a small update today I got all the block cleaned up and all the oil ways fully flushed throw and all degreesed . And I've decided to go for silver again as if I do get a oil leak I can see ware it's coming from .





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Looks smart...let the building begin
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Well the build has started at last as I got the crank back from being reground .25 on mains and Big ends



Plastic gauge strips in place




Oil spray jets in place and set up the crank hits them so a bit of tweaking was needed

First piston in place . And you can just see two oil ways block off
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And we did a road trip to liverLive Friday night to pick up a bottom end



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Spent the day working on the new motor and I'm really pleased on how it's coming together now




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Small update this week my new turbo turned up a Borg Warner efr 7064 I'm well happy with it .
I am planning on using the standard manifold but when mocking it up it's looking like I will need to use a 48mm manifold spacer . has any one else fitted this turbo to a standard manifold if so please share any info you have please








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I've got the same turbo on my focus rs. I can't help you sorry, but I'm looking forward to seeing how it performs on your new engine.
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They need the twin scroll manifold to get the best results. I am not sure if anyone has run one without but there was talk of adapting a 2wd standard manifold as they are twin scroll I believe.


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