Mk6 JWRC fiesta cosworth
#3841
Boost Junkie
It's on the chunky side but never expected it to be light with all the cage work
With me and 45 Litres of fuel its roughly 1300kg
It has been set up geometry wise with a passenger in weighing the same as me as mostly have somebody in it on track days so with that it's around 1390kg
With me and 45 Litres of fuel its roughly 1300kg
It has been set up geometry wise with a passenger in weighing the same as me as mostly have somebody in it on track days so with that it's around 1390kg
#3848
Couple more pics curtesy of MDV
Just waiting on some new hubcentric spacers to bring the front wheels in slightly as they currently stick out just past the arch, and the bolt on hubcentric spacers can't be machine, and for a fella to stop in to MDV and wire in my Life racing calibration switch then I think that's it
Just waiting on some new hubcentric spacers to bring the front wheels in slightly as they currently stick out just past the arch, and the bolt on hubcentric spacers can't be machine, and for a fella to stop in to MDV and wire in my Life racing calibration switch then I think that's it
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R5EVO (05-05-2015)
#3850
10K+ Poster!!
Imagine if Ford produced that as an RS model....That would fly out of the dealers. I know I would want one.
#3851
PassionFord Post Troll
Awesome mate looks like a model in that last shot
#3852
Ford KA 1.7 Vct, soon...
Great thread Marc, been reading through it the last few weeks everytime i got a chance. Amazing car man, wish i had the dedication you have! It will all be worth it when your done and finished
Cant wait to hear it out on the road, you'll have to post up a vid
Good luck!
Cant wait to hear it out on the road, you'll have to post up a vid
Good luck!
#3854
go pro are hard to beat for quality but if you just want something cheap i've seen people using these and they're actually pretty good despite the price.
here's an example of the quality
I personally use go pro but I'm considering getting one of those ebay ones as an extra
here's an example of the quality
I personally use go pro but I'm considering getting one of those ebay ones as an extra
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#3855
Regular Contributor
GO Pro for clarity and wider viewing angle, I would just make sure you go with the newest version.
We also use Replay Xd's
-great battery life
-good video
-won't matter to you but aerodynamic
-great price
We also use Replay Xd's
-great battery life
-good video
-won't matter to you but aerodynamic
-great price
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#3857
Part of the Furniture
Just gone through this thread start to end and its taken me hours!! Loved every minute of it! Just simply stunning and an absolute credit to you and all involved!!
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R5EVO (12-05-2015)
#3862
PassionFord Post Whore!!
Mot next week?
Fuck me. How good does that feel?
Is it getting motd as "a modified fiesta"?
As in just a normal mot?
Do you need an Iva or sva for it?
Good luck for next week. Can't imagine how excited you are lol.
Fuck me. How good does that feel?
Is it getting motd as "a modified fiesta"?
As in just a normal mot?
Do you need an Iva or sva for it?
Good luck for next week. Can't imagine how excited you are lol.
#3863
PassionFord Post Whore!!
On the geo sheet above it says "arb fully soft"
Are the bladed ones adjustable then? Is that what all the holes are for in the uprights?
Got any pics?
As I need to make an arb for the rear of my car. I might go down this route.
Also what's a rough cost for a full grown setup like yours?
And did they measure your sprung/unsprung weights to fund out what spring ratings you should be using?
Cheers
Are the bladed ones adjustable then? Is that what all the holes are for in the uprights?
Got any pics?
As I need to make an arb for the rear of my car. I might go down this route.
Also what's a rough cost for a full grown setup like yours?
And did they measure your sprung/unsprung weights to fund out what spring ratings you should be using?
Cheers
#3864
Yeah nice knowing it's close to drive able
It will be Mot'd as the logbook States but tester will have to make note of engine swap and il give receipt of 1991 4x4 cosworth donor engine so emissions test will be pre 1992 non cat test
Once mot'd I will tax it as per the log book as a 1.4 diesel then il send of the logbook with engineers report and copy of mot proving car is converted to high standard etc and swap log book details and change tax bracket to a 2.0l petrol
No need for Iva or sva as it still retains original bodywork and light positions and heights etc even though it has wider arches
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frsjon (24-05-2015)
#3865
Yes blades are adjustable
Think of bending a ruler,
If you bend it when flat its soft and easy to bend, at a 45 angle it's slightly harder and if it's on its side it's solid almost, that's how the blades on the wrc roll bars work,
Spring rates were chosen by me after talking to Ali, who owns the bright orange jwrc fiesta cosworth with the 650bhp engine as that's what he runs so we chose that as a starting point and I will get used to the car and go from there with adjustments to rates and set up etc
As for cost it really depends what you want exactly so hard to compare and give a price on mate
Hope that helps
Thanks
Marc
Think of bending a ruler,
If you bend it when flat its soft and easy to bend, at a 45 angle it's slightly harder and if it's on its side it's solid almost, that's how the blades on the wrc roll bars work,
Spring rates were chosen by me after talking to Ali, who owns the bright orange jwrc fiesta cosworth with the 650bhp engine as that's what he runs so we chose that as a starting point and I will get used to the car and go from there with adjustments to rates and set up etc
As for cost it really depends what you want exactly so hard to compare and give a price on mate
Hope that helps
Thanks
Marc
#3866
PassionFord Post Whore!!
Marc you are welcome to borrow my go pro (hero 3+ black) if you want to see how it fairs before plunging in and buying one. Ive also got the bracket to mount on the front bumper! I can bring it to Kels wedding at the weekend....!
Chris
Chris
#3870
PassionFord Post Whore!!
Cheers mate, that's good to know about the Iva/sva/mot ive always done mine on a normal mot but didn't know if that was right or not lol.
I saw 1 of these earlier, thought it might interest you.
Ł30 camera with a 3yr warranty.
https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/specialbuys/thur-14-may/product-detail/ps/p/action-camcorder/
I saw 1 of these earlier, thought it might interest you.
Ł30 camera with a 3yr warranty.
https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/specialbuys/thur-14-may/product-detail/ps/p/action-camcorder/
#3873
Carbon Crazy
iTrader: (5)
Following the letter of the law it needs an IVA plain and simple because it is an extensively modified monococque chassis. I did a lot of research into it when i wanted to make my puma cossie into a carbon floored car.
It comes under as a "radically altered/rebuilt vehicle".
You also wont have enough parts on it to get enough points to retain its current ID or get an age related ID so you'd Probably end up on a q plate as youve got some new and some second hand parts and to get a new plate youd need 100% new apart from one recon'd part such as an engine.
However in practice, again most testers arent interested in "undateable" componants as theres no way of knowing which car they come from etc. They are primarily interested in chassis, engine, axles etc.
However in practice who is going to know? the chance of getting pulled by a VOSA van is slim in a road car like yours. The police wont have a clue so are no threat either.
The correct way to have done it would be for AG motorsport to invoice you with an "ag motorsport cosworth chassis" as a new item with no id. You could easily get enough pattern parts but it doesnt matter if its new metal for the non structural panels really.
You then have a new chassis, you can either use all new parts with one recon'd bit (eg engine) and get a new reg, or use an actual cossie as the donor for engine, box, steering, brakes etc - I think its 8 points you need. and youd end up on an age related plate - age related to the cossie donor v5 you have. Then of course strip it and put on the fancy stuff.
Ironically there is NO record at IVA what parts are on the car, so any modifications post test cannot be used against you unless obviously dangerous and wouldbt have passed. That means once you have the MAC you can pretty much modify all you want and no mot tester or police can prove it wasnt on the car at IVA. Great for exhaust noise as many forces are attempting prosecutions at 83db where as IVA is 99db and hence you have the get out of jail clause if some copper wants to be arsey.
The problem with not IVA'ing it is that the MoT is getting stricter on non-factory mods and while still in europe will continue to do so and could quite easily in a few years mean it simply cant pass without TUV or similar oem type approval on modifications. However as long as they allow kit cars on the road, the IVA means the aftermarket parts stand on thier own merit if they pass the test without the need for mass type approval.
#3874
many kit car replicas retain original light and bodywork yet need iva.
Following the letter of the law it needs an IVA plain and simple because it is an extensively modified monococque chassis. I did a lot of research into it when i wanted to make my puma cossie into a carbon floored car.
It comes under as a "radically altered/rebuilt vehicle".
You also wont have enough parts on it to get enough points to retain its current ID or get an age related ID so you'd Probably end up on a q plate as youve got some new and some second hand parts and to get a new plate youd need 100% new apart from one recon'd part such as an engine.
Following the letter of the law it needs an IVA plain and simple because it is an extensively modified monococque chassis. I did a lot of research into it when i wanted to make my puma cossie into a carbon floored car.
It comes under as a "radically altered/rebuilt vehicle".
You also wont have enough parts on it to get enough points to retain its current ID or get an age related ID so you'd Probably end up on a q plate as youve got some new and some second hand parts and to get a new plate youd need 100% new apart from one recon'd part such as an engine.
There was a discussion in this thread about SVMs Qashqai R which has a GT-R floor and running gear mated to a qashqai body.
The (heated) discussion starts around page 29 I think, after talking to the DVLA and VOSA about what they need to do and an "inspection" of the car, this was the outcome.
"The guys at Vosa and Peeps at DVLA are all happy bunnies
A lengthy file of documents were presented to the DVLA and they have kindly agreed to register on the Qashqai log book using the Qashqai registration number
The Tax will be that of a GTR
Who said different? (come on line up) lol
No Test Req ....I'll say it again No Test req"
Other than the changes on the log book they don't show any of the correspondence between themselves and DVLA/VOSA so it's impossible to say how true it is but I can't imagine they'd lie about it.
Before I read that I was under the same impression as you where it would need to be tested and given a Q plate. After reading that I'm leaning more towards no test being required as the car already has an identity but I'll definitely be checking with DVLA/VOSA before starting a project like this and point them in the direction of that thread if needs be just to be sure.
#3875
Carbon Crazy
iTrader: (5)
It depends on how honest they were.
It is quite clearly written for radically altered vehicles/rebuilt vehicles and reshells about a modified or second hand monococque.
Modifying the suspension points and leaving the main structure intact is one thing, cutting the whole floor out is clearly a bit more major!!
The points thing is to keep age related plate - in essence enough of one vehicle on the rebuilt vehicle to confirm its identity. Use parts from different cars and q plate. all q plate means is indeterminate origin of the parts or parts from more than one donor.
The association of car enthusiasts went to a lot of length talking to DVLA and VOSA and this is the replies:
So unless DVLA/VOSA have changed the rules in the last couple of years then the SVM car was put together with some judicial bending of the truth to retain the ID.
It is quite clearly written for radically altered vehicles/rebuilt vehicles and reshells about a modified or second hand monococque.
Modifying the suspension points and leaving the main structure intact is one thing, cutting the whole floor out is clearly a bit more major!!
The points thing is to keep age related plate - in essence enough of one vehicle on the rebuilt vehicle to confirm its identity. Use parts from different cars and q plate. all q plate means is indeterminate origin of the parts or parts from more than one donor.
The association of car enthusiasts went to a lot of length talking to DVLA and VOSA and this is the replies:
When assessing a modified/rebuilt vehicle, DVLAs main interest is to establish whether the original identity has been compromised by the changes made. If a vehicle has been modified from the original manufacturers specification or if not enough of the original components have been retained in the build, the vehicle identity will change and IVA will be required to register with an alternative registration number.
Due to the very nature of rebuilding or modifying vehicles from their original manufacturers specification, DVLA assesses each vehicle on its own merits based on the documentary evidence provided and a physical inspection of the vehicle.
The INF 26 information leaflet, and the information given on the website, is issued as a guideline to the registration of rebuilt, radically altered or kit converted vehicles. They are not meant as technical guides. However, both clearly indicate that if modifications are made to the chassis or monocoque bodyshell, or if the build does not include enough original, major components (as listed) the identity of the vehicle will change.
The information on www.direct.gov.uk is regularly reviewed to reflect changes in legislation
VOSA have provided the following response to your questions;
Chassis.
Q) What is classed as chassis? Is it purely the outer longitudinal rails or are the crossmembers between these also a part of the chassis?
A) Chassis should be taken to include crossmembers.
Q) We know that cutting or shortening a chassis is classed as modification but is this relative to the vehicle wheelbase i.e. the chassis must remain uncut between the 2 axles but anything forward of front or aft of rear suspension mounts can be removed?
A) Chassis includes the full original length of the longitudinal members including to the front of the front axle and to the rear of the rear axle.
Q) Is it acceptable to remove bodymounts, which contribute no strength to the chassis when changing a body to a different style /make?
A) Yes, providing they are additional to and are not an integral part of the chassis structure.
Q) Is it acceptable to strengthen a chassis by the addition of boxing plates a process that involves turning a 3-sided open chassis rail into a fully enclosed box chassis?
A) Yes, providing the original structure remains unchanged.
Monococque.
Q) What is the definition of a monococque ?
A) A design in which body and chassis are all one unit.
Q) Why does cutting into a monococque affect the vehicle identity if it retains the same shape /profile as before.
A) Cutting is considered to be modifying the vehicle from its original specification. Any modification to the chassis/monocoque body is considered to render the vehicle no longer original specification or of original identity.
Q) Is it acceptable to modify a vehicle bulkhead and/or transmission tunnel when performing an engine change or fitting another make?
A) No, Assuming this is in relation to a monocoque structure. This would be considered a modification to the structure.
Q) Is it acceptable to fully weld sections that are spot-welded as part of the original construction methods, to increase the strength of the body?
A) Yes, providing the original structure is retained.
ACE felt that further clarification was needed from VOSA so we sent more questions.
The following responses are from the VOSA Press Office:-
The answers to our chassied vehicle rules queries seem mainly straightforward, However, we have further questions based on the answers supplied.
Q) As chassis strengthening is allowed, are we correct in assuming that additional crossmembers would also be allowed?
A) It is important that the original chassis structure is retained unmodified, and while it is acceptable to strengthen areas and include additional brackets or crossmembers, It would be limited to additions within the existing chassis frame structure. Additional chassis structures, i.e. extending the outward parameters of the original chassis structure would be considered a modification.
Q) It is the monococque rules that need the most clarification.
Your reply states that any cutting of the monococque is considered to render the vehicle identity no longer original specification or of original identity . This would suggest that any crash repairs necessitating cutting and removal of panels or chassis sections, or restoration work would call the vehicles identity into question?
We presume that the point should really be that any cutting other than in factory designed joining areas would be the actual criteria?
A) In this respect it is necessary to differentiate between modification and repair. Any repair process that is in line with manufacturers recommendations and that returns the structure to its original specification would not be considered to be a modification.
Q) Would the modification of wings to allow clearance for larger wheels fall foul of the regulations?
We presume not as the common fitment of sunroofs does not create issues as this is a non stressed item of the monococque, the same as wings?
A) When considering a monocoque structure, it is necessary to consider what constitutes cosmetic panels that do not significantly add to the structural strength and which panels provide structural integrity. In general front wings modified in this way would not constitute a modification to the monocoque structure.
With reference to the further query, VOSA have advised that they would prefer the following statement:
What constitutes a monocoque is that of how an OEM manufacturer would view it. The chassis or `cage` assembly and all components that form it, less any cosmetic panels or infills that make no structural consideration to the monocoque or its component parts.
However, we must emphasis that this information is given for general guidance and each case will be judged on its merits.
Due to the very nature of rebuilding or modifying vehicles from their original manufacturers specification, DVLA assesses each vehicle on its own merits based on the documentary evidence provided and a physical inspection of the vehicle.
The INF 26 information leaflet, and the information given on the website, is issued as a guideline to the registration of rebuilt, radically altered or kit converted vehicles. They are not meant as technical guides. However, both clearly indicate that if modifications are made to the chassis or monocoque bodyshell, or if the build does not include enough original, major components (as listed) the identity of the vehicle will change.
The information on www.direct.gov.uk is regularly reviewed to reflect changes in legislation
VOSA have provided the following response to your questions;
Chassis.
Q) What is classed as chassis? Is it purely the outer longitudinal rails or are the crossmembers between these also a part of the chassis?
A) Chassis should be taken to include crossmembers.
Q) We know that cutting or shortening a chassis is classed as modification but is this relative to the vehicle wheelbase i.e. the chassis must remain uncut between the 2 axles but anything forward of front or aft of rear suspension mounts can be removed?
A) Chassis includes the full original length of the longitudinal members including to the front of the front axle and to the rear of the rear axle.
Q) Is it acceptable to remove bodymounts, which contribute no strength to the chassis when changing a body to a different style /make?
A) Yes, providing they are additional to and are not an integral part of the chassis structure.
Q) Is it acceptable to strengthen a chassis by the addition of boxing plates a process that involves turning a 3-sided open chassis rail into a fully enclosed box chassis?
A) Yes, providing the original structure remains unchanged.
Monococque.
Q) What is the definition of a monococque ?
A) A design in which body and chassis are all one unit.
Q) Why does cutting into a monococque affect the vehicle identity if it retains the same shape /profile as before.
A) Cutting is considered to be modifying the vehicle from its original specification. Any modification to the chassis/monocoque body is considered to render the vehicle no longer original specification or of original identity.
Q) Is it acceptable to modify a vehicle bulkhead and/or transmission tunnel when performing an engine change or fitting another make?
A) No, Assuming this is in relation to a monocoque structure. This would be considered a modification to the structure.
Q) Is it acceptable to fully weld sections that are spot-welded as part of the original construction methods, to increase the strength of the body?
A) Yes, providing the original structure is retained.
ACE felt that further clarification was needed from VOSA so we sent more questions.
The following responses are from the VOSA Press Office:-
The answers to our chassied vehicle rules queries seem mainly straightforward, However, we have further questions based on the answers supplied.
Q) As chassis strengthening is allowed, are we correct in assuming that additional crossmembers would also be allowed?
A) It is important that the original chassis structure is retained unmodified, and while it is acceptable to strengthen areas and include additional brackets or crossmembers, It would be limited to additions within the existing chassis frame structure. Additional chassis structures, i.e. extending the outward parameters of the original chassis structure would be considered a modification.
Q) It is the monococque rules that need the most clarification.
Your reply states that any cutting of the monococque is considered to render the vehicle identity no longer original specification or of original identity . This would suggest that any crash repairs necessitating cutting and removal of panels or chassis sections, or restoration work would call the vehicles identity into question?
We presume that the point should really be that any cutting other than in factory designed joining areas would be the actual criteria?
A) In this respect it is necessary to differentiate between modification and repair. Any repair process that is in line with manufacturers recommendations and that returns the structure to its original specification would not be considered to be a modification.
Q) Would the modification of wings to allow clearance for larger wheels fall foul of the regulations?
We presume not as the common fitment of sunroofs does not create issues as this is a non stressed item of the monococque, the same as wings?
A) When considering a monocoque structure, it is necessary to consider what constitutes cosmetic panels that do not significantly add to the structural strength and which panels provide structural integrity. In general front wings modified in this way would not constitute a modification to the monocoque structure.
With reference to the further query, VOSA have advised that they would prefer the following statement:
What constitutes a monocoque is that of how an OEM manufacturer would view it. The chassis or `cage` assembly and all components that form it, less any cosmetic panels or infills that make no structural consideration to the monocoque or its component parts.
However, we must emphasis that this information is given for general guidance and each case will be judged on its merits.
So unless DVLA/VOSA have changed the rules in the last couple of years then the SVM car was put together with some judicial bending of the truth to retain the ID.
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prodigymotorsport (15-05-2015)
#3876
10K+ Poster!!
I spoke to MDV a few times today, nice people and Peter is ex ford Motorsport, my car is going in too.
#3877
It depends on how honest they were.
It is quite clearly written for radically altered vehicles/rebuilt vehicles and reshells about a modified or second hand monococque.
Modifying the suspension points and leaving the main structure intact is one thing, cutting the whole floor out is clearly a bit more major!!
The points thing is to keep age related plate - in essence enough of one vehicle on the rebuilt vehicle to confirm its identity. Use parts from different cars and q plate. all q plate means is indeterminate origin of the parts or parts from more than one donor.
The association of car enthusiasts went to a lot of length talking to DVLA and VOSA and this is the replies:
So unless DVLA/VOSA have changed the rules in the last couple of years then the SVM car was put together with some judicial bending of the truth to retain the ID.
It is quite clearly written for radically altered vehicles/rebuilt vehicles and reshells about a modified or second hand monococque.
Modifying the suspension points and leaving the main structure intact is one thing, cutting the whole floor out is clearly a bit more major!!
The points thing is to keep age related plate - in essence enough of one vehicle on the rebuilt vehicle to confirm its identity. Use parts from different cars and q plate. all q plate means is indeterminate origin of the parts or parts from more than one donor.
The association of car enthusiasts went to a lot of length talking to DVLA and VOSA and this is the replies:
So unless DVLA/VOSA have changed the rules in the last couple of years then the SVM car was put together with some judicial bending of the truth to retain the ID.
#3879
10K+ Poster!!
#3880
Carbon Crazy
iTrader: (5)
Sorry for ruining your thread MK!
I did the research because although people have got away with it for years, it seems that people have just been lucky that the authorities have turned a blind eye and arent really interested. Pretty much all cossie conversions would fall foul. My puma cossie i had to do a lot of digging into it but luckily he used a brand new monococque and on paper no structural parts were cut out. He passed off the tunnel as an enlargement of the "non structural" exhaust tunnel. The engine is as far back as possible without cutting bulkhead - cutting bulkhead is key as in the quote above and the suspension mounts are actually added onto the metal already there which counts as strenthening so technically mine got re registered as reshell with new shell. Then it was built up after the visual inspection and stamping of the SABTVR dvla issued vin. At least pumaspeed clearly did a bit of thinking about it when they built it. However most arent built like that.
With the way the Mot is going and the way modifications are being viewed by EU because of type approval issues, its likely to get worse for us here over the coming years.
Last thing you want is VOSA yanking your V5 a few years down the road until youve done an IVA then ended up on a q plate.
If youre building from scratch anyway, its not hard to build most things to meet IVA anyway and if you bend the rules very slightly you should in most cases keep a age related plate and be totally legal no matter what they do in the future. Sorting it all retrospectively is much harder as they tend to take a hard line and look at it like youve been evading them for years deliberately.
They did the same when SVA first came out on all the kit cars still using the donor car ID.
With the way the Mot is going and the way modifications are being viewed by EU because of type approval issues, its likely to get worse for us here over the coming years.
Last thing you want is VOSA yanking your V5 a few years down the road until youve done an IVA then ended up on a q plate.
If youre building from scratch anyway, its not hard to build most things to meet IVA anyway and if you bend the rules very slightly you should in most cases keep a age related plate and be totally legal no matter what they do in the future. Sorting it all retrospectively is much harder as they tend to take a hard line and look at it like youve been evading them for years deliberately.
They did the same when SVA first came out on all the kit cars still using the donor car ID.
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