Martoons RS500 4x4 rebuild, The black sheep!! Lol!
24-01-2010, 11:12 AM
#970
To use the ford a/c system you need to cut out and weld in the deeper section of bulkhead from an ac car for the matrix to fit, or try to find an earlier non factory dealer fit sierra ac set up which will fit the standard bulkhead.
Also you wont be able to use a normal 500 size cooler will the ford ac rad unless you use the boxter ac rads in the wheel wells instead
Looked into it a while ago, even bought a xr4x4 with ac as a donor but not worth the hassle in the end and sold it on
Can be done but not easy.
24-01-2010, 11:23 AM
#971
the 909 shells used the standard saff bulkhead not the air con version
To use the ford a/c system you need to cut out and weld in the deeper section of bulkhead from an ac car for the matrix to fit, or try to find an earlier non factory dealer fit sierra ac set up which will fit the standard bulkhead.
Also you wont be able to use a normal 500 size cooler will the ford ac rad unless you use the boxter ac rads in the wheel wells instead
Looked into it a while ago, even bought a xr4x4 with ac as a donor but not worth the hassle in the end and sold it on
Can be done but not easy.
To use the ford a/c system you need to cut out and weld in the deeper section of bulkhead from an ac car for the matrix to fit, or try to find an earlier non factory dealer fit sierra ac set up which will fit the standard bulkhead.
Also you wont be able to use a normal 500 size cooler will the ford ac rad unless you use the boxter ac rads in the wheel wells instead
Looked into it a while ago, even bought a xr4x4 with ac as a donor but not worth the hassle in the end and sold it on
Can be done but not easy.
I'm aware of the intercooler problem but that won't be too difficult to sort.
Last edited by Martin-Hadland; 24-01-2010 at 11:26 AM.
24-01-2010, 12:20 PM
#972
no pics sorry
if you look at your existing bulkhead there is a little indent running along where the heater fan box sits in the engine bay, on the ac bulkhead this part forms a little box which protrudes into the cabin area, this is to accomodate the extra depth of the heater fan and a/c box.
It would be easy enough to cut out and fabricate a new section if you could not find an a/c bulkhead as thats the only part thats different.
Best to find a a/c box from a saff ,it does not have to be from a cosworth and use that to determine the size. The rest of the set up is the same as the a/c system from an escos
You also need the heater fan switch from an a/c saff and the loom plug as that covers both functions
Last edited by PAUL S; 24-01-2010 at 12:22 PM.
24-01-2010, 01:09 PM
#974
mart have a look at this post as i think he has air con on his 3dr
https://passionford.com/forum/restor...om-greece.html
https://passionford.com/forum/restor...om-greece.html
Had a hunt on my pc and found a pic of the a/c fan box that replaces the basic fan box, as you can see its a lot bigger, it bolts like the standard one to the 2 captured bolts on the bulkhead and sits no further forward than the standard one, so all the extra size goes back into the bulkhead.
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24-01-2010, 02:08 PM
#976
Compensation???? 
Nothing whatsoever has been offered or forthcoming!
Progress so far ....
The rear beam, shocks and springs are all fitted as are the fuel lines.. Anyone got an Escos diff mount I can buy??
Hopefully this week will see the engine and front suspension installed.
Chris the paint guy has started stripping the front bumper, it ooks like its going to be a hard slog as the black paint peels off in strips but under that there is what appears to be polyester spray filler that seems to be half a mm thick in places :-(
Nothing whatsoever has been offered or forthcoming!Progress so far ....
The rear beam, shocks and springs are all fitted as are the fuel lines.. Anyone got an Escos diff mount I can buy??
Hopefully this week will see the engine and front suspension installed.
Chris the paint guy has started stripping the front bumper, it ooks like its going to be a hard slog as the black paint peels off in strips but under that there is what appears to be polyester spray filler that seems to be half a mm thick in places :-(
24-01-2010, 02:40 PM
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24-01-2010, 02:41 PM
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yes some pics on that thread do show where the bulkhead needs to be opened
Had a hunt on my pc and found a pic of the a/c fan box that replaces the basic fan box, as you can see its a lot bigger, it bolts like the standard one to the 2 captured bolts on the bulkhead and sits no further forward than the standard one, so all the extra size goes back into the bulkhead.
Had a hunt on my pc and found a pic of the a/c fan box that replaces the basic fan box, as you can see its a lot bigger, it bolts like the standard one to the 2 captured bolts on the bulkhead and sits no further forward than the standard one, so all the extra size goes back into the bulkhead.
24-01-2010, 03:04 PM
#979
I took that one out of a saff so the escos one could well be the same then which would be a bonus for you, just need to line it up and chop out and box up a section of the bulkhead.
There are some brand new sierra a/c dryers on ebay for sale for only Ł7 plus post which is buttons, so you could make a fresh system easy enough from escos bits and just find the sierra a/c fan switch and it would look factory.
I know of at least 2 original RS500s with dealer fit a/c but they keep the original heater fan and place the a/c evaporator inside the car above the heater matrix but I dont know how efficient this system was.
There are some brand new sierra a/c dryers on ebay for sale for only Ł7 plus post which is buttons, so you could make a fresh system easy enough from escos bits and just find the sierra a/c fan switch and it would look factory.
I know of at least 2 original RS500s with dealer fit a/c but they keep the original heater fan and place the a/c evaporator inside the car above the heater matrix but I dont know how efficient this system was.
24-01-2010, 04:06 PM
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Can you send it to my works?Reyland Motorsport
Units 5/6 Rear of: 1257 Pershore Rd
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24-01-2010, 05:41 PM
#986
you can find a granda panel much easier but, as the pic show, the unit is much much larger and intrudes into the interiour a lot more
i think i've got a unit if you need one, boxed and bagged up, but it's from a granada so the connections will be slightly different to the sierra
the sierra ones also have the bigger ball thing in the corner behind the battery for the recycle system, this one has the unit built into the heater casing so doens't take up as much space
24-01-2010, 07:49 PM
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24-01-2010, 08:35 PM
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i only gave my account because i knew people where thinking i charged a fortune fucked it up then didnt want to sort it
as for the paint choice i usualy use lessonol and its great but i was told that the best on the market was glasurit by the place i used to work
after chatting with him they use it all the time but havnt ever used black which is a right shitter but i am going to be taking this up with the paint company
i was told by the rep from glasurit to use there paint as a base flat it back and repaint it if i had known it was bad paint id have stripped the lott back off and redone it
and i bare metaled everything baring the roof before i started
as for the paint choice i usualy use lessonol and its great but i was told that the best on the market was glasurit by the place i used to work
after chatting with him they use it all the time but havnt ever used black which is a right shitter but i am going to be taking this up with the paint company
i was told by the rep from glasurit to use there paint as a base flat it back and repaint it if i had known it was bad paint id have stripped the lott back off and redone it
and i bare metaled everything baring the roof before i started
24-01-2010, 09:27 PM
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Not sure he is but he's not saying ANYTHING! The more I dig into my paid for paint job the less happy I am. Deal with companies that have money in the bank not one man bands, they have no contingency for mistakes on big jobs... Learn from my mistakes!!!
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25-01-2010, 06:08 AM
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right ill tell you exactly whats gone on shall i martin
it is not the primer that has caused this at all and ill tell your painter that my self if i have to
its this simple (primer is porous)it does not hold the solvent in it just needs to hassve long enough to dry full
nor has it got water in it as my compressor has the best air quality possible if it was down to primer why have i never had the problem before
it is exactly how i said it was and down to the glasurit black
it has had enough solvent trapped in it to nattack the primer simple as that
iv now heard of 2 other people that have had problems with glkasurit black (not just me)
your bumpers where not painted in spray filler but the car had to be to get rid of the ripples in the sides
im persuing compensation from the paint company to try get you a refund in full and ill continue to do this
but if i can help it i aint losing any more money so if they wont sort it ill give you half as aggreed
the reason i havnt been back on here is simple
it pisses me off every thime i see this car as i like things to be right and after all the time and efort spent on this car it turned to shit down to paint product
now iv been doing paint work since i was 13 and im now 28 and this is the first major problem iv had
now all the people on this thread that slagged me off can you tell is your work record that clean
it is not the primer that has caused this at all and ill tell your painter that my self if i have to
its this simple (primer is porous)it does not hold the solvent in it just needs to hassve long enough to dry full
nor has it got water in it as my compressor has the best air quality possible if it was down to primer why have i never had the problem before
it is exactly how i said it was and down to the glasurit black
it has had enough solvent trapped in it to nattack the primer simple as that
iv now heard of 2 other people that have had problems with glkasurit black (not just me)
your bumpers where not painted in spray filler but the car had to be to get rid of the ripples in the sides
im persuing compensation from the paint company to try get you a refund in full and ill continue to do this
but if i can help it i aint losing any more money so if they wont sort it ill give you half as aggreed
the reason i havnt been back on here is simple
it pisses me off every thime i see this car as i like things to be right and after all the time and efort spent on this car it turned to shit down to paint product
now iv been doing paint work since i was 13 and im now 28 and this is the first major problem iv had
now all the people on this thread that slagged me off can you tell is your work record that clean
25-01-2010, 07:38 AM
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it was 2k glasurit strait black colour and was not watter base or base and clear
the paint would not pollish as it should and i was told it was recomended it by the place i used to work for they do bentleys ferraris all sorts of exotics and are have a realy good name
then i find out they have never used the black and it seems to be the only colour they have trouble with as the rest have no problems at all
now i have found out 2 more companies have had trouble with the black
the paint would not pollish as it should and i was told it was recomended it by the place i used to work for they do bentleys ferraris all sorts of exotics and are have a realy good name
then i find out they have never used the black and it seems to be the only colour they have trouble with as the rest have no problems at all
now i have found out 2 more companies have had trouble with the black
25-01-2010, 08:23 AM
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your bumpers where not painted in spray filler but the car had to be to get rid of the ripples in the sides
im persuing compensation from the paint company to try get you a refund in full and ill continue to do this
but if i can help it i aint losing any more money so if they wont sort it ill give you half as aggreed
the reason i havnt been back on here is simple
it pisses me off every thime i see this car as i like things to be right and after all the time and efort spent on this car it turned to shit down to paint product
now iv been doing paint work since i was 13 and im now 28 and this is the first major problem iv had
now all the people on this thread that slagged me off can you tell is your work record that clean
If you are offering half back towards the new paint job then lets have it and put this to bed, if the paint company come good then you can always deal with that afterwards.
I will get some pics of the front bumper if you wish, the primer is very very thick in places.