Martoons RS500 4x4 rebuild, The black sheep!! Lol!
25-01-2010, 09:18 AM
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right ill tell you exactly whats gone on shall i martin
it is not the primer that has caused this at all and ill tell your painter that my self if i have to
its this simple (primer is porous)it does not hold the solvent in it just needs to hassve long enough to dry full
nor has it got water in it as my compressor has the best air quality possible if it was down to primer why have i never had the problem before
it is exactly how i said it was and down to the glasurit black
it has had enough solvent trapped in it to nattack the primer simple as that
iv now heard of 2 other people that have had problems with glkasurit black (not just me)
your bumpers where not painted in spray filler but the car had to be to get rid of the ripples in the sides
im persuing compensation from the paint company to try get you a refund in full and ill continue to do this
but if i can help it i aint losing any more money so if they wont sort it ill give you half as aggreed
the reason i havnt been back on here is simple
it pisses me off every thime i see this car as i like things to be right and after all the time and efort spent on this car it turned to shit down to paint product
now iv been doing paint work since i was 13 and im now 28 and this is the first major problem iv had
now all the people on this thread that slagged me off can you tell is your work record that clean
it is not the primer that has caused this at all and ill tell your painter that my self if i have to
its this simple (primer is porous)it does not hold the solvent in it just needs to hassve long enough to dry full
nor has it got water in it as my compressor has the best air quality possible if it was down to primer why have i never had the problem before
it is exactly how i said it was and down to the glasurit black
it has had enough solvent trapped in it to nattack the primer simple as that
iv now heard of 2 other people that have had problems with glkasurit black (not just me)
your bumpers where not painted in spray filler but the car had to be to get rid of the ripples in the sides
im persuing compensation from the paint company to try get you a refund in full and ill continue to do this
but if i can help it i aint losing any more money so if they wont sort it ill give you half as aggreed
the reason i havnt been back on here is simple
it pisses me off every thime i see this car as i like things to be right and after all the time and efort spent on this car it turned to shit down to paint product
now iv been doing paint work since i was 13 and im now 28 and this is the first major problem iv had
now all the people on this thread that slagged me off can you tell is your work record that clean
You picked the paint, you used the paint, the result was a fucked up paint job
How is it marin's fault that you misunderstood the recomendation you were given, or you asked the wrong person etc, you were meant to be the expert, so he was trusting your judgement to use the right products.
ANY decent company at the point it went wrong entirely because of their use of the wrong product that they choose to use, would be refunding in full not saying "fuck the customer all I care about is me not being out of pocket"
Truely shocking customer service I reckon, yes people make mistakes, but the measure of a good or bad company IMHO is how they deal with those mistakes to ensure they dont impact the customer.
I cant believe you are even bothering to try and blame someone else when it was your choice to use that paint, so as a professional you should be making good for your mistake in doing so.
25-01-2010, 09:24 AM
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I get the impression Chip it is because he is not fiancially in the position to refund the entire cost, sorry if l am wrong Jacko, also is there not some form of insurance for this type of situation?
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25-01-2010, 10:22 AM
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previously in the thread jacko did state that he is not in a position financially where he can refund in full as he has bills to pay he is already out of pocket due to doing the job so cheap, i have just read the whole thread and its funny how at the start people couldnt rate jacko enough so that just proves how good his past track record is and how impressed people are with his work but as soon as a problem occurs all the people who know fuck all about whats going on are the first to pipe up and start slagging jacko off at the end of the day its one of those unfortunate things that has happend which imho has nothing to do with anyone else other than the parties involved. The problem with forums is there are so many people using them who think they know everything when really they know fuck all just drop it and let them deal with it
Im a mechanic and yea things especially in this trade do fuck up sometimes but shit happens. The current climate we are in im sure jacko can do with out all the bad press his company is getting when by previous work it shows the talent the bloke has got
My rant over
25-01-2010, 10:48 AM
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chip did you read a word of what i just bwrote or are you just being arogant
im trying to get martin a full refund for the price he payed for the paintjob
some thing unforscene has happened with the black glasurit paint and im trying to prove this so i have a case against them
thats why im saying its not the primer that and iv allways used the same stuff and its allways been fine
now if i have to re do thios in bigger letters for you i will
(if the car had of been white red blue or any other straight colour other than the black it wouldnt have had
there is a problem with the black only THE PROBLEM)
im trying to get martin a full refund for the price he payed for the paintjob
some thing unforscene has happened with the black glasurit paint and im trying to prove this so i have a case against them
thats why im saying its not the primer that and iv allways used the same stuff and its allways been fine
now if i have to re do thios in bigger letters for you i will
(if the car had of been white red blue or any other straight colour other than the black it wouldnt have had
there is a problem with the black only THE PROBLEM)
25-01-2010, 10:52 AM
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chip did you read a word of what i just bwrote or are you just being arogant
im trying to get martin a full refund for the price he payed for the paintjob
some thing unforscene has happened with the black glasurit paint and im trying to prove this so i have a case against them
thats why im saying its not the primer that and iv allways used the same stuff and its allways been fine
now if i have to re do thios in bigger letters for you i will
(if the car had of been white red blue or any other straight colour other than the black it wouldnt have had
there is a problem with the black only THE PROBLEM)
im trying to get martin a full refund for the price he payed for the paintjob
some thing unforscene has happened with the black glasurit paint and im trying to prove this so i have a case against them
thats why im saying its not the primer that and iv allways used the same stuff and its allways been fine
now if i have to re do thios in bigger letters for you i will
(if the car had of been white red blue or any other straight colour other than the black it wouldnt have had
there is a problem with the black only THE PROBLEM)
at the end of the day jacko you shouldnt have to come on here and explain yuorself to anybody other than martin best thing to do is carry on doing what yo do best and forget about this at the end of the day its not like you did it intending this to happen, its just al the keyboard worriers slatting you when they know fuck all about whats happening and its so annoying how people think they have a rite to carry on with you over a forum when its fuck all to do with them
25-01-2010, 10:57 AM
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You last one stated that if you could get the money from the paint company, you would give martin a full refund, and if you couldnt then you would give him half a refund as you arent prepared to lose money just to be fair to a customer.
im trying to get martin a full refund for the price he payed for the paintjob
some thing unforscene has happened with the black glasurit paint and im trying to prove this so i have a case against them
thats why im saying its not the primer that and iv allways used the same stuff and its allways been fine
now if i have to re do thios in bigger letters for you i will
some thing unforscene has happened with the black glasurit paint and im trying to prove this so i have a case against them
thats why im saying its not the primer that and iv allways used the same stuff and its allways been fine
now if i have to re do thios in bigger letters for you i will
(if the car had of been white red blue or any other straight colour other than the black it wouldnt have had
there is a problem with the black only THE PROBLEM)
there is a problem with the black only THE PROBLEM)
I dont see why martin should be out of pocket simply because you didnt know what products would work to paint a black car with, surely thats 100% your problem not his?
25-01-2010, 11:02 AM
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I have read all your replies.
You last one stated that if you could get the money from the paint company, you would give martin a full refund, and if you couldnt then you would give him half a refund as you arent prepared to lose money just to be fair to a customer.
I am very good at reading, even posts written in broken english, so I dont feel you need to say anything again, but feel free if you like.
If I personally appointed a professional painter to paint a colour as common as black, I wouldnt expect them to struggle to find paint that worked, however if they werent confident enough in the paint they could find, then I would expect them to tell me that before they started the work so I could take it to someone who does know what products to use to paint a black car without issue.
I dont see why martin should be out of pocket simply because you didnt know what products would work to paint a black car with, surely thats 100% your problem not his?
You last one stated that if you could get the money from the paint company, you would give martin a full refund, and if you couldnt then you would give him half a refund as you arent prepared to lose money just to be fair to a customer.
I am very good at reading, even posts written in broken english, so I dont feel you need to say anything again, but feel free if you like.
If I personally appointed a professional painter to paint a colour as common as black, I wouldnt expect them to struggle to find paint that worked, however if they werent confident enough in the paint they could find, then I would expect them to tell me that before they started the work so I could take it to someone who does know what products to use to paint a black car without issue.
I dont see why martin should be out of pocket simply because you didnt know what products would work to paint a black car with, surely thats 100% your problem not his?
Why carnt anyone drop this its pathetic
25-01-2010, 11:18 AM
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at the end of the day why do you even give a fuck its got nothing to do with you, stop getting involved with something that doesnt concern you. You said if it was your car getting painted you would find some1 who knew what paint to use well guess what IT ISNT YOUR CAR so stop carrying on.
Why carnt anyone drop this its pathetic
Why carnt anyone drop this its pathetic
25-01-2010, 11:24 AM
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This is a discussion forum about cars, things such as what people believe to be acceptable customer care standards from a painter when they hit a problem are the sort of things that people discuss in threads, if that doesnt interest you, simply dont reply, but it does interest me so dont tell me not to reply to it.
25-01-2010, 11:31 AM
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i think jacko has said enough
I feel that the correct thing to do is give a full refund to the customer (or arrange a payment plan to do so if he cant afford it right now, im sure Martin would be obliging), and then attempt to recover that cost from the supplier, not do it the other way around and if he fails to recover costs from the supplier tell the customer that it means its tough and he cant have a refund.
and i think people should leave it at that, thats all
25-01-2010, 11:55 AM
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i think this thread needs a clean up by the mods to get it back on track as a thread about the rebuilding of a car not about keyboard worriors slating people when they dont know all the facts
I think when i get home on the laptop i will useing the hide button on chip as i cant be bothered to read his drivel any more
COME ON MODS READ THROUGH THE THREAD &GET IT CLEANED UP TO GET IT BACK ON TRACK
I think when i get home on the laptop i will useing the hide button on chip as i cant be bothered to read his drivel any more
COME ON MODS READ THROUGH THE THREAD &GET IT CLEANED UP TO GET IT BACK ON TRACK
25-01-2010, 12:04 PM
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I think when i get home on the laptop i will useing the hide button on chip as i cant be bothered to read his drivel any more
https://passionford.com/forum/profil...ignore&u=26402
No need to go around broadcasting the fact though, perfectly possible to just do so without having a song and dance about it, well unless you are looking for some sort of reaction for some weird reason of course.
COME ON MODS READ THROUGH THE THREAD &GET IT CLEANED UP TO GET IT BACK ON TRACK
25-01-2010, 06:29 PM
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right chip you realy aint seeing this are you n
if a fire man goes and puts out fires with his hose and it works every time and puts the fire out he is doing his job right
and if he was told here you go here is the engine go put the fire out andit had been filled with petrol is it his fault (no)
the paint only has a problem in its black form i had used it before and it was fine why wauld i think the black would cause a problem
and as for painting your car id have turned you away cos only a compleate gimp would paint a road going 3 door yellow
if a fire man goes and puts out fires with his hose and it works every time and puts the fire out he is doing his job right
and if he was told here you go here is the engine go put the fire out andit had been filled with petrol is it his fault (no)
the paint only has a problem in its black form i had used it before and it was fine why wauld i think the black would cause a problem
and as for painting your car id have turned you away cos only a compleate gimp would paint a road going 3 door yellow
25-01-2010, 06:43 PM
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don't mean to pick but are you not a one man band?
25-01-2010, 06:48 PM
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right chip you realy aint seeing this are you n
if a fire man goes and puts out fires with his hose and it works every time and puts the fire out he is doing his job right
and if he was told here you go here is the engine go put the fire out andit had been filled with petrol is it his fault (no)
the paint only has a problem in its black form i had used it before and it was fine why wauld i think the black would cause a problem
and as for painting your car id have turned you away cos only a compleate gimp would paint a road going 3 door yellow
if a fire man goes and puts out fires with his hose and it works every time and puts the fire out he is doing his job right
and if he was told here you go here is the engine go put the fire out andit had been filled with petrol is it his fault (no)
the paint only has a problem in its black form i had used it before and it was fine why wauld i think the black would cause a problem
and as for painting your car id have turned you away cos only a compleate gimp would paint a road going 3 door yellow
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25-01-2010, 06:59 PM
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i understand that mate i realy do but at the moment iv got no chance of being able to repay him in full
i will sort it one way or another
it just pisses me off with people talking shit and just having a go at me after iv tried to do a realy good job
at thew end of the day the job was good the bad paint let it down
i will sort it one way or another
it just pisses me off with people talking shit and just having a go at me after iv tried to do a realy good job
at thew end of the day the job was good the bad paint let it down
25-01-2010, 07:01 PM
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ive seen jackos compressor and its well mint ,
jackos quality and so his all his work ,
id have jacko paint my cars anyday
glenny boy
jackos quality and so his all his work ,
id have jacko paint my cars anyday
glenny boy
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25-01-2010, 07:19 PM
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right chip you realy aint seeing this are you n
if a fire man goes and puts out fires with his hose and it works every time and puts the fire out he is doing his job right
and if he was told here you go here is the engine go put the fire out andit had been filled with petrol is it his fault (no)
the paint only has a problem in its black form i had used it before and it was fine why wauld i think the black would cause a problem
and as for painting your car id have turned you away cos only a compleate gimp would paint a road going 3 door yellow
if a fire man goes and puts out fires with his hose and it works every time and puts the fire out he is doing his job right
and if he was told here you go here is the engine go put the fire out andit had been filled with petrol is it his fault (no)
the paint only has a problem in its black form i had used it before and it was fine why wauld i think the black would cause a problem
and as for painting your car id have turned you away cos only a compleate gimp would paint a road going 3 door yellow
25-01-2010, 08:08 PM
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right chip you realy aint seeing this are you n
if a fire man goes and puts out fires with his hose and it works every time and puts the fire out he is doing his job right
and if he was told here you go here is the engine go put the fire out andit had been filled with petrol is it his fault (no)
the paint only has a problem in its black form i had used it before and it was fine why wauld i think the black would cause a problem
and as for painting your car id have turned you away cos only a compleate gimp would paint a road going 3 door yellow
if a fire man goes and puts out fires with his hose and it works every time and puts the fire out he is doing his job right
and if he was told here you go here is the engine go put the fire out andit had been filled with petrol is it his fault (no)
the paint only has a problem in its black form i had used it before and it was fine why wauld i think the black would cause a problem
and as for painting your car id have turned you away cos only a compleate gimp would paint a road going 3 door yellow
Indeed that is true but I do have the reserves and the will to put any fuck ups right... Minor or major!
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25-01-2010, 08:24 PM
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and so will i mate im just trying to prove whats gone wrong here cos i should realy be goiung to them and saying this was a nproper priced job and getting what i should be owed to but im more than happy to just get yours back if i can your the customer at the end of the day and iv allways made my customers happy
but now things have came to light about the paint its self its became allot clearer whats gone on
to tell you the trouth this whole nthing realy dishartened me as i could do an average job on everyday cars and ern allot more monney but chose to do what i love instead and get this with one fuck up to my name
25-01-2010, 08:47 PM
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and so will i mate im just trying to prove whats gone wrong here cos i should realy be goiung to them and saying this was a nproper priced job and getting what i should be owed to but im more than happy to just get yours back if i can your the customer at the end of the day and iv allways made my customers happy
but now things have came to light about the paint its self its became allot clearer whats gone on
to tell you the trouth this whole nthing realy dishartened me as i could do an average job on everyday cars and ern allot more monney but chose to do what i love instead and get this with one fuck up to my name
but now things have came to light about the paint its self its became allot clearer whats gone on
to tell you the trouth this whole nthing realy dishartened me as i could do an average job on everyday cars and ern allot more monney but chose to do what i love instead and get this with one fuck up to my name
If this car didn't mean so much to me it would have been in bits by now and like you I'm disheartened but I need to get this car done (you know why)..
Do you know what I think you should do?? I think you should take the car back and make it right and do so in a timely fashion, not in 6 months!! That's what I would have done!
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25-01-2010, 10:01 PM
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Lots of bored wankers on this site nowadays.this is a simple problem that should be sorted out between martin and jacko,not put on here for everyone to leave stupid comments on. Feel for both partys but come on this is getting pathetic. Have people no understanding of the real world? Needs sorting for sure but not like this,its like bloody playground talk.loads of people,obvously with nothing better to do just hyping up the situation and making it far worse than it actually is!
25-01-2010, 11:02 PM
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25-01-2010, 11:27 PM
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Look some people no me and some dont im karl formaly the fabricator at blue oval. now ive done the fab work on this car ive seen the car first hand also seen the hassel this car has caused not only for me but for jacko and martin now they are both adults let them sort it between them selves and others take a step back.. so let martin get it built enjoy it and cut jacko abit of slack ive work with this lad for years from when we started from my parents garage as a hobby for both of us who love the cars the shows etc.. this post has turned to shit and like others have said lets get it back on track...
p.s. hope the floor numbers looked ok martin. (no its not a ringer)
p.s. hope the floor numbers looked ok martin. (no its not a ringer)
26-01-2010, 06:53 AM
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26-01-2010, 07:21 AM
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right chip you realy aint seeing this are you n
if a fire man goes and puts out fires with his hose and it works every time and puts the fire out he is doing his job right
and if he was told here you go here is the engine go put the fire out andit had been filled with petrol is it his fault (no)
if a fire man goes and puts out fires with his hose and it works every time and puts the fire out he is doing his job right
and if he was told here you go here is the engine go put the fire out andit had been filled with petrol is it his fault (no)
the paint only has a problem in its black form i had used it before and it was fine why wauld i think the black would cause a problem
I get things wrong in my job from time to time, thats what people do as none of us are perfect, but when I do so, the customer never suffers as a result!
and as for painting your car id have turned you away
26-01-2010, 07:24 AM
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Lots of bored wankers on this site nowadays.this is a simple problem that should be sorted out between martin and jacko,not put on here for everyone to leave stupid comments on. Feel for both partys but come on this is getting pathetic. Have people no understanding of the real world? Needs sorting for sure but not like this,its like bloody playground talk.loads of people,obvously with nothing better to do just hyping up the situation and making it far worse than it actually is!
Customer pays for job
Customer gets satisfactory work, or a refund
The end.
Shouldnt be any need for discussion at all!