Martoons RS500 4x4 rebuild, The black sheep!! Lol!
13-01-2010, 11:23 AM
#841
None of my bussiness at all, and don't know any of the ivolved parties.
but one thing that hasn't really been touched, is why the first bad layer was just painted over instead of removed?
- If it was apparent at the time that the paint was from a bad batch, then the only solution should have been to remove it back then.
Instead it seems that to cut cost, and hoping for the best, they just painted over the first layer which was known to be from a bad batch.
Taking this kind of chances always kicks you in the back.
really sorry for the owner of the car
but one thing that hasn't really been touched, is why the first bad layer was just painted over instead of removed?
- If it was apparent at the time that the paint was from a bad batch, then the only solution should have been to remove it back then.
Instead it seems that to cut cost, and hoping for the best, they just painted over the first layer which was known to be from a bad batch.
Taking this kind of chances always kicks you in the back.
really sorry for the owner of the car
Last edited by Heitmann; 13-01-2010 at 11:24 AM.
13-01-2010, 11:47 AM
#842
Jacko,
Why are you allowing yourself to be fobbed off by the paint manufacturers? Surely you can send pics of the problems to them. There must be avenues you can explore before giving up on it, if only for your business name as a painter. As it stands from a non expert on painting and business owner it looks bad on you imo. Are you likely to loose custom because of this thread and how the car has turned out? IF so then you should try every means possible including trading standards, as if you are correct and no one on here is doubting you, then your good name needs to remain intact and the manufactuers can take the fall for this surely?
Why are you allowing yourself to be fobbed off by the paint manufacturers? Surely you can send pics of the problems to them. There must be avenues you can explore before giving up on it, if only for your business name as a painter. As it stands from a non expert on painting and business owner it looks bad on you imo. Are you likely to loose custom because of this thread and how the car has turned out? IF so then you should try every means possible including trading standards, as if you are correct and no one on here is doubting you, then your good name needs to remain intact and the manufactuers can take the fall for this surely?
13-01-2010, 11:55 AM
#843
Jacko,
Why are you allowing yourself to be fobbed off by the paint manufacturers? Surely you can send pics of the problems to them. There must be avenues you can explore before giving up on it, if only for your business name as a painter. As it stands from a non expert on painting and business owner it looks bad on you imo. Are you likely to loose custom because of this thread and how the car has turned out? IF so then you should try every means possible including trading standards, as if you are correct and no one on here is doubting you, then your good name needs to remain intact and the manufactuers can take the fall for this surely?
Why are you allowing yourself to be fobbed off by the paint manufacturers? Surely you can send pics of the problems to them. There must be avenues you can explore before giving up on it, if only for your business name as a painter. As it stands from a non expert on painting and business owner it looks bad on you imo. Are you likely to loose custom because of this thread and how the car has turned out? IF so then you should try every means possible including trading standards, as if you are correct and no one on here is doubting you, then your good name needs to remain intact and the manufactuers can take the fall for this surely?
Last edited by Martin-Hadland; 13-01-2010 at 12:06 PM.
13-01-2010, 12:09 PM
#844
Feel very sorry for Jacko that he has put so much time and effort into painting the car, and clearly done a pretty good job of the actual work itself only to be let down by the product used.
He must be feeling gutted that his hardwork has left him out of pocket.
However, if it was his choice as a professional painter to use that product on a customer's car, then I dont see why the customer should end up a penny out of pocket when that choice turns out to be a bad one, or when the decision to paint over it rather than start back at bare metal also turns out to be a bad one, none of that is of any concern to the customer surely?
Thats what happens when you run your own business, you dont get paid just for the amount of effort you put in, but for the end result, sometimes that leaves you up and sometimes that leaves you down. Thats life really though!
Martin seems to be being far more reasonable than most people would IMHO, I dont see how any outcome other than a total refund is even vaguely fair on Martin, so to settle for a partial refund seems very genourous to me.
He must be feeling gutted that his hardwork has left him out of pocket.
However, if it was his choice as a professional painter to use that product on a customer's car, then I dont see why the customer should end up a penny out of pocket when that choice turns out to be a bad one, or when the decision to paint over it rather than start back at bare metal also turns out to be a bad one, none of that is of any concern to the customer surely?
Thats what happens when you run your own business, you dont get paid just for the amount of effort you put in, but for the end result, sometimes that leaves you up and sometimes that leaves you down. Thats life really though!
Martin seems to be being far more reasonable than most people would IMHO, I dont see how any outcome other than a total refund is even vaguely fair on Martin, so to settle for a partial refund seems very genourous to me.
13-01-2010, 01:29 PM
#845
None of my bussiness at all, and don't know any of the ivolved parties.
but one thing that hasn't really been touched, is why the first bad layer was just painted over instead of removed?
- If it was apparent at the time that the paint was from a bad batch, then the only solution should have been to remove it back then.
Instead it seems that to cut cost, and hoping for the best, they just painted over the first layer which was known to be from a bad batch.
Taking this kind of chances always kicks you in the back.
really sorry for the owner of the car
but one thing that hasn't really been touched, is why the first bad layer was just painted over instead of removed?
- If it was apparent at the time that the paint was from a bad batch, then the only solution should have been to remove it back then.
Instead it seems that to cut cost, and hoping for the best, they just painted over the first layer which was known to be from a bad batch.
Taking this kind of chances always kicks you in the back.
really sorry for the owner of the car
As a painter i would have done the same , Flatted and repainted
There arte many if"s and but"s but none of them will turn back time
Iwould think if time could be turned back both Jacko and Martin would have done things different , but again who here can see into the future ?
13-01-2010, 01:35 PM
#846
A decent painter who knows that once paint reacts the best option to remove the risk of further reactions is to remove that paint completely not hope to cover it up after a quick sand down?
Im NOT a decent painter, but I still know that much, dont most people?
Im NOT a decent painter, but I still know that much, dont most people?
Last edited by Chip; 13-01-2010 at 01:36 PM.
13-01-2010, 01:38 PM
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But the previous paint hadn't reacted it was just dull.
anyway I didn't want to join the whole paint debate ! Martin can we see some pic's of this nice sounding engine to take the topic forward?
anyway I didn't want to join the whole paint debate ! Martin can we see some pic's of this nice sounding engine to take the topic forward?
13-01-2010, 01:41 PM
#848
Ah, my misunderstanding there, I thought it was the first layer of paint that jacko put on that reacted, and then he sanded it and put more paint over it.
I must have misread the thread then in that case if jacko's first coat was just dull.
I must have misread the thread then in that case if jacko's first coat was just dull.
13-01-2010, 02:01 PM
#849
I have no idea mate. My complete lack of how car spraying is done and how paint re-acts and why, stops me answering that one.
Just think Jackso should explore EVERY avenue so you can get a full refund
and he can re-coop as much of his losses as he possibly can 
If it were me who had sprayed your car i would be making a scene to the paint manufactuers and doing my utmost to get them round to yours to take a look.
13-01-2010, 02:06 PM
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it seems to me chip that the first coat of paint didn't react badly until some time after the problems started to occour, and the autopsy has led to the first coat, supplied by a different party, being the cause
at least, that's how i have read it
anyway, i'm sure they are going to sort things out without us sticking our noses into it any further so once the car has been stripped, i wonder if martin will start another thread? rebuilding the rebuild or soemthing?
at least, that's how i have read it
anyway, i'm sure they are going to sort things out without us sticking our noses into it any further so once the car has been stripped, i wonder if martin will start another thread? rebuilding the rebuild or soemthing?
13-01-2010, 02:20 PM
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Note crank pulley, its going on Pectel T2.
13-01-2010, 02:34 PM
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Having only painted 3 cars and only one being a full bare metal paint in a booth I am no pro but have had this happen on the full car paint I did luckly for me it was on solid white single stage paint no clear coat and It appeared about a month after it was painted I knew there was enough paint on the car to just flat and polish out the high points but that was just luck in my case.
13-01-2010, 04:50 PM
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I used to paint cars years ago and although I'm not up to speed with current water based paints I am experienced with the type of paint Jacko used and I can say that if I had painted a car and it dried dull and would not mop up then alarms bell would ring in my head.
Engine:
Note crank pulley, its going on Pectel T2.
Engine:
Note crank pulley, its going on Pectel T2.
13-01-2010, 06:21 PM
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lol sorry i meant the paintjob that was intended, To be honest it looked like a really good job in the pics before the blistering.
im sure you knew what i meant. Just think at least you didnt pay 10k for a 4k engine build like some mugs do....
im sure you knew what i meant. Just think at least you didnt pay 10k for a 4k engine build like some mugs do....
13-01-2010, 06:45 PM
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i only gave my account because i knew people where thinking i charged a fortune fucked it up then didnt want to sort it
as for the paint choice i usualy use lessonol and its great but i was told that the best on the market was glasurit by the place i used to work
after chatting with him they use it all the time but havnt ever used black which is a right shitter but i am going to be taking this up with the paint company
i was told by the rep from glasurit to use there paint as a base flat it back and repaint it if i had known it was bad paint id have stripped the lott back off and redone it
and i bare metaled everything baring the roof before i started
as for the paint choice i usualy use lessonol and its great but i was told that the best on the market was glasurit by the place i used to work
after chatting with him they use it all the time but havnt ever used black which is a right shitter but i am going to be taking this up with the paint company
i was told by the rep from glasurit to use there paint as a base flat it back and repaint it if i had known it was bad paint id have stripped the lott back off and redone it
and i bare metaled everything baring the roof before i started
13-01-2010, 07:13 PM
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Took the words out my mouth. Jacko you seem to think you're not in the wrong cos you didnt charge that much but you are 100% in the wrong. It doesnt matter if it was £50 or £5000 its still down to you. IMO you should refund the full amount.