Martoons RS500 4x4 rebuild, The black sheep!! Lol!
11-01-2010, 06:25 PM
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me mate i can do the same standard of work but karl couldnt prep so he ended up doing all the metal work cos there was more prepping and painting than fab work
so for now ill do it then wait see how things are before i get some one else in its hard because they will have to be good but allso love the cars and there job
so for now ill do it then wait see how things are before i get some one else in its hard because they will have to be good but allso love the cars and there job
11-01-2010, 06:29 PM
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me mate i can do the same standard of work but karl couldnt prep so he ended up doing all the metal work cos there was more prepping and painting than fab work
so for now ill do it then wait see how things are before i get some one else in its hard because they will have to be good but allso love the cars and there job
so for now ill do it then wait see how things are before i get some one else in its hard because they will have to be good but allso love the cars and there job
11-01-2010, 06:38 PM
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Iv had a look on that SODA Blasting site i put up and they say it will take about 1 day to get the paint of most cars this might be the way . If do go for a repaint martin
And there just off the A38 by the Bassits Poll Pub
And there just off the A38 by the Bassits Poll Pub
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11-01-2010, 06:54 PM
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Shame, Ive never seen that happen in my days of Painting, Mind you the paint i used to use was High Quality German Paint that the likes of Porsche used at the Factory!
But i don't see why you didn't just get someone local to do it, Like the guy who did your Escort (isn't he in the same Estate as you anyway?), you sound like a perfectionist so i wouldn't of worried about Cost, no matter how much Jacko asked for
But i don't see why you didn't just get someone local to do it, Like the guy who did your Escort (isn't he in the same Estate as you anyway?), you sound like a perfectionist so i wouldn't of worried about Cost, no matter how much Jacko asked for
11-01-2010, 07:01 PM
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Jacko told me he could do a proper proper job and everyone seemed to back that up which at the time was good enough for me. He even offered to collect and return the car!!!
I never once asked for the job to be priced cheaply and when it was I was surprised but thought that Jacko had done a deal because he wanted the job as it potentially could have brought in a lot of work due to publicity, the car would be seen at plently of shows and be subject to a full on mag feature.
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11-01-2010, 07:32 PM
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Gutted. But after all it is only paint and not anything structural or mechanical that would destroy what is going to be a very nice car when finished. Yes it a bitch but it will be sorted hopefully without too many problems. I have seen this before in a car that was painted lots of speckles appearing as said it can sometimes just be the paint just the type of paint. One thing I will recommend is not to get the mirror flat finish straight away I usually will not do this type of job on paint any younger than 6 months old as this is a common problem if the solvent has not gassed fully. Unfortunately it is a common problem with "show" cars they have to be all done at once and paint even the newer water based paints are the same leave them to mature...
paint it,
flat it,
leave it,
enjoy it.
at the end of the summer wet sand and mirror finish the paint just leave enough clear as you will take about 30-60 microns off doing this.. The best thing when trying a new paint is usually not on a car but 20:20 hindsight is no good.
When buffing use LOTS of lube to keep panel temps down to a bare minimum what u have is like blisters from too much heat. the vaypour has expanded and burst out where if u had left the finish peely then it would had evaporated over time and possibly not happened.
just a wee note the OZ reps can they be 5 stud with a 53mm offset or can I get 19" versions?
paint it,
flat it,
leave it,
enjoy it.
at the end of the summer wet sand and mirror finish the paint just leave enough clear as you will take about 30-60 microns off doing this.. The best thing when trying a new paint is usually not on a car but 20:20 hindsight is no good.
When buffing use LOTS of lube to keep panel temps down to a bare minimum what u have is like blisters from too much heat. the vaypour has expanded and burst out where if u had left the finish peely then it would had evaporated over time and possibly not happened.
just a wee note the OZ reps can they be 5 stud with a 53mm offset or can I get 19" versions?
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11-01-2010, 08:06 PM
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Yes and its not good! 
Remember me mentioning the paint blistering that started to appear on the plastics? Well sadly the bodywork has suffered the same fate, I was hoping that the shell and panels would be fine because there was no sign of micro blistering at the time when the plastics blistered but a month on and its everywhere. I am properly gutted because the glass is now all bonded in, the 500 stripes and side mouldings are all fitted
This problem can only be fixed by a complete strip to bare metal and new paint
This does not need to turn into a Jacko bashing thread!
I have spoken with the man himself and he admits responsibility but sadly he says he just has too much paying work carry out and he can't afford to take my car for several months, tbh I'm not at all happy about the situation!
So the options as far as I can see them are:
1: Wait months (four or more) for Jacko
2: Pay someone else
3: Do it myself
4: Sell or break the car
Number 4 is looking good right now!
Remember me mentioning the paint blistering that started to appear on the plastics? Well sadly the bodywork has suffered the same fate, I was hoping that the shell and panels would be fine because there was no sign of micro blistering at the time when the plastics blistered but a month on and its everywhere. I am properly gutted because the glass is now all bonded in, the 500 stripes and side mouldings are all fitted
This problem can only be fixed by a complete strip to bare metal and new paint
This does not need to turn into a Jacko bashing thread!
I have spoken with the man himself and he admits responsibility but sadly he says he just has too much paying work carry out and he can't afford to take my car for several months, tbh I'm not at all happy about the situation!
So the options as far as I can see them are:
1: Wait months (four or more) for Jacko
2: Pay someone else
3: Do it myself
4: Sell or break the car
Number 4 is looking good right now!
If I had done that work I would take it back in tomorrow and cancell the new work coming in until it was fixed,
For me customers who have paid are more important than customers who are going to pay for work as this will affect reputation more than delaying new customers.
I hope its sorted as finding someone who can paint cars correctly is just about impossible.
Mark
11-01-2010, 08:12 PM
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The guy across the way sadly closed down.
Jacko told me he could do a proper proper job and everyone seemed to back that up which at the time was good enough for me. He even offered to collect and return the car!!!
I never once asked for the job to be priced cheaply and when it was I was surprised but thought that Jacko had done a deal as he wanted the job as it potentially could have brought in a lot of work as the car would be seen at plently of shows and be subject to a full on mag feature.
Jacko told me he could do a proper proper job and everyone seemed to back that up which at the time was good enough for me. He even offered to collect and return the car!!!
I never once asked for the job to be priced cheaply and when it was I was surprised but thought that Jacko had done a deal as he wanted the job as it potentially could have brought in a lot of work as the car would be seen at plently of shows and be subject to a full on mag feature.
Martin
Ask for your money back, l know a sprayer that will make the best ever job have been using him for 20 years now, he is not cheap but wow he is one of the best
He is very near me
Cheers
11-01-2010, 08:13 PM
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its not a case of that mark the place is allready fulland with allready being well out of pocket the paying work needs to sort bills and wages before i can take martins back or there wont be anywhere for it to come back to
and as the cars that are in now have customers waiting for them back they need doing and given back so we have space
and as the cars that are in now have customers waiting for them back they need doing and given back so we have space
11-01-2010, 08:14 PM
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If I had done that work I would take it back in tomorrow and cancell the new work coming in until it was fixed,
For me customers who have paid are more important than customers who are going to pay for work as this will affect reputation more than delaying new customers.
Mark
For me customers who have paid are more important than customers who are going to pay for work as this will affect reputation more than delaying new customers.
Mark
Everyone gets problems, its how you deal with them that counts.
11-01-2010, 08:16 PM
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11-01-2010, 08:41 PM
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gutted for both partys a couple of painters near us have had problems like that we call it measles my painter robbo is shit hot but when he used to have a shitty unit for doing foreigners it used to happen a bit poss down to conditions but that was many years back but now hes top. moving into his own unit just for him soon.he loves doing rs's cossies and any thing ford but the guy who he rents the spray part off thinks he's his boss and is always having a go at him saying fucking shite cossies etc etc cant wait for him to move then you'll see a alot more robbo paint work 
inc a few of mine and my brothers they waiting.
all the best with what ever you decide to do
inc a few of mine and my brothers they waiting. all the best with what ever you decide to do
11-01-2010, 09:04 PM
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alright martin if you decide to get the car painted again the lad who painted my focus is realy good i have seen him paint a car and it not be how he wanted it so he started from scratch again if he is not 100 percent happy with it he will not leave his workshop till he is when he was painting the focus i have seen him be there till after 11 at night let me no martin can pass his number on
11-01-2010, 09:22 PM
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Gutted to see this Martin
Is it not worth trying to flat back and polish one panel to see what it comes up like - as if this is "solvent pop" would it not all be out now so wouldn't re-occur - and there would seem to be enough paint on so as not to go through?
I'm not a painter so don't shoot me down if that's a bullshit suggestion, just thinking out loud
Is it not worth trying to flat back and polish one panel to see what it comes up like - as if this is "solvent pop" would it not all be out now so wouldn't re-occur - and there would seem to be enough paint on so as not to go through?
I'm not a painter so don't shoot me down if that's a bullshit suggestion, just thinking out loud
11-01-2010, 09:28 PM
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just wondering what type of base was it Ie was it water based if so then the gassing will only be in the clear but if as he says a water blister then it could be right through it.
11-01-2010, 09:33 PM
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martin im gutted for ya, iv been watching this thread and couldn't wait to see the end product.Iv only just seen the updates and it seems a bitter pill to swollow.
From my personal experiance and been a fussy twat i once built a s1 concourse and i found a problem with 1 bit of the paint i wasnt happy with and due to the interest local people was taking in this car, my local ford dealer put other people behind to sort my problems.
If i was jacko i'd put my neck out and at least try to remedy the problem so i didn't loose face if nothing else, some times when you do a high profile job you need to be prepared to see it through to the end no matter what it takes.
Had this job gone good jacko's ass would have had sun shine beaming from it, but now he risks people avoiding his work due to this issue with martins car.
martin i hope something gets sorted
From my personal experiance and been a fussy twat i once built a s1 concourse and i found a problem with 1 bit of the paint i wasnt happy with and due to the interest local people was taking in this car, my local ford dealer put other people behind to sort my problems.
If i was jacko i'd put my neck out and at least try to remedy the problem so i didn't loose face if nothing else, some times when you do a high profile job you need to be prepared to see it through to the end no matter what it takes.
Had this job gone good jacko's ass would have had sun shine beaming from it, but now he risks people avoiding his work due to this issue with martins car.
martin i hope something gets sorted
11-01-2010, 09:50 PM
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in total an averave coat from a good quality gun should be 40microns so factor the number of coats and that will be the thickness. also you really need a paint gauge to do it right and there are far better products to do this kind of work other than G3 and a mop.
11-01-2010, 09:51 PM
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martin im gutted for ya, iv been watching this thread and couldn't wait to see the end product.Iv only just seen the updates and it seems a bitter pill to swollow.
From my personal experiance and been a fussy twat i once built a s1 concourse and i found a problem with 1 bit of the paint i wasnt happy with and due to the interest local people was taking in this car, my local ford dealer put other people behind to sort my problems.
If i was jacko i'd put my neck out and at least try to remedy the problem so i didn't loose face if nothing else, some times when you do a high profile job you need to be prepared to see it through to the end no matter what it takes.
Had this job gone good jacko's ass would have had sun shine beaming from it, but now he risks people avoiding his work due to this issue with martins car.
martin i hope something gets sorted
From my personal experiance and been a fussy twat i once built a s1 concourse and i found a problem with 1 bit of the paint i wasnt happy with and due to the interest local people was taking in this car, my local ford dealer put other people behind to sort my problems.
If i was jacko i'd put my neck out and at least try to remedy the problem so i didn't loose face if nothing else, some times when you do a high profile job you need to be prepared to see it through to the end no matter what it takes.
Had this job gone good jacko's ass would have had sun shine beaming from it, but now he risks people avoiding his work due to this issue with martins car.
martin i hope something gets sorted
I aint going nowhere, just one of those unfortunate incidence... Just a god damn shame on both people involved
This car seems to be Jacko's unicorn poor bloke
11-01-2010, 10:10 PM
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taken from the collins dictionary ,
UNICORN u-nee-corn : fabled mythical horse distinctive for its large spiral'd horn . fabled to be a pure white in colour and impossible to catch ....
- hate being painted 2k black ,moonstone blue ,and magenta
sorry , ive had a few beers , beef
11-01-2010, 10:36 PM
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Such a shit position to be in and it can happen to anyone. I'd go with Ricks option and finish the car, then come back to it later once Europes been done and dusted.
What area is it on the car thats come up? Can't tell from the photo.
the tag artex used as primer
I'd go with Ricks option and finish the car, then come back to it later once Europes been done and dusted.What area is it on the car thats come up? Can't tell from the photo.
the tag artex used as primer
11-01-2010, 10:43 PM
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true Ferrari's etc are alot less as they dont need the corrosion protection also Jap cars like Evo's are very low sub 100microns. with STI scoobies being the worst worst one I saw was an avarage d 70 microns lowest was 59 microns!!!!
12-01-2010, 06:32 AM
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I have the rebuilt engine (GT3071
) and box sitting there just waiting to be fitted and mapped, need to decide the cars future.
12-01-2010, 07:03 AM
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i couldnt drive it around like that.
i know Jackos busy but surely with leaving it unsorted and after this situation he isnt likely to get anywhere near as much work from the ford community.
so in the long run more money would be lost, if it was me i would wanna sort this even if i was out of pocket.
i know Jackos busy but surely with leaving it unsorted and after this situation he isnt likely to get anywhere near as much work from the ford community.
so in the long run more money would be lost, if it was me i would wanna sort this even if i was out of pocket.
12-01-2010, 08:09 AM
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Martin,
I would grit my teeth and bite my tongue and get the bodywork redone, it a shame but due to the sentimentle value the car has to you, its a big set back but your in the right buisness and know the right people so get the old girl finished just how you want it.
BUT there is one little missus that need,s attention bigtime!! first i hope you agree sat in the corner of that workshop of yours.
I would grit my teeth and bite my tongue and get the bodywork redone, it a shame but due to the sentimentle value the car has to you, its a big set back but your in the right buisness and know the right people so get the old girl finished just how you want it.
BUT there is one little missus that need,s attention bigtime!! first i hope you agree sat in the corner of that workshop of yours.
12-01-2010, 08:32 AM
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know exactly how you feel martin, how my old 3dr painted which took like a year to paint, prep work was truely amazing and even by my standard was very very good, the shade of white let it down.
got it home and had to pay someone else to flat it again and blast over in another white.
was very dissheartening. one of the factors i never finished that 3dr, amongst a few others.
got it home and had to pay someone else to flat it again and blast over in another white.
was very dissheartening. one of the factors i never finished that 3dr, amongst a few others.
12-01-2010, 09:30 AM
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Surely a full re fund is the only way forward? Jackos work hasnt been up to sctrach from the very start...(not trying to start a slagging mate im just stating facts). Even if he did have time to re do it would you honeslty want him to martin?
I know i wouldnt have any confidence in him.
I know i wouldnt have any confidence in him.
12-01-2010, 09:45 AM
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I ve paid good money for poor bodywork before so forgive me if i ve got a bad attitude on the subject ........
But jacko instead of sitting in front of a computer screen making excuses why not work a few weekends n sort it ? at the moment your business looks awful , you look slack lazy and cant be arsed, you may have work at the moment but as i bet 90% of your work is enthusiast based you wont have any work once this batch is finished after this poor show.
Martin is a great guy with a lot of friends in the automotive world so to shit on him is very bad form and people will remember it , how would you feel if he built you an engine and had this same poor attitude ?
I was in a shit situation when zoo (cowboy) motorsport closed down with my escos in pieces and martin went out of his way to fix my car and help me out , true gent and i wont forget that, even as the owner of a tuning shop the situation was beyond me and i need honest help from a pro.
I suggest martin strips it to a rolling shell , you pay his labour for his messing about , you collect it then paint it ready for re assembly by martin which you also pay for ............
Or just wait til the courts force you to do something about it ? or refund him so someone who can be arse can do it ?
Either way u ve got shit on your face , nice one , good attitude
But jacko instead of sitting in front of a computer screen making excuses why not work a few weekends n sort it ? at the moment your business looks awful , you look slack lazy and cant be arsed, you may have work at the moment but as i bet 90% of your work is enthusiast based you wont have any work once this batch is finished after this poor show.
Martin is a great guy with a lot of friends in the automotive world so to shit on him is very bad form and people will remember it , how would you feel if he built you an engine and had this same poor attitude ?
I was in a shit situation when zoo (cowboy) motorsport closed down with my escos in pieces and martin went out of his way to fix my car and help me out , true gent and i wont forget that, even as the owner of a tuning shop the situation was beyond me and i need honest help from a pro.
I suggest martin strips it to a rolling shell , you pay his labour for his messing about , you collect it then paint it ready for re assembly by martin which you also pay for ............
Or just wait til the courts force you to do something about it ? or refund him so someone who can be arse can do it ?
Either way u ve got shit on your face , nice one , good attitude
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12-01-2010, 10:31 AM
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I ve paid good money for poor bodywork before so forgive me if i ve got a bad attitude on the subject ........
But jacko instead of sitting in front of a computer screen making excuses why not work a few weekends n sort it ? at the moment your business looks awful , you look slack lazy and cant be arsed, you may have work at the moment but as i bet 90% of your work is enthusiast based you wont have any work once this batch is finished after this poor show.
Martin is a great guy with a lot of friends in the automotive world so to shit on him is very bad form and people will remember it , how would you feel if he built you an engine and had this same poor attitude ?
I was in a shit situation when zoo (cowboy) motorsport closed down with my escos in pieces and martin went out of his way to fix my car and help me out , true gent and i wont forget that, even as the owner of a tuning shop the situation was beyond me and i need honest help from a pro.
I suggest martin strips it to a rolling shell , you pay his labour for his messing about , you collect it then paint it ready for re assembly by martin which you also pay for ............
Or just wait til the courts force you to do something about it ? or refund him so someone who can be arse can do it ?
Either way u ve got shit on your face , nice one , good attitude
But jacko instead of sitting in front of a computer screen making excuses why not work a few weekends n sort it ? at the moment your business looks awful , you look slack lazy and cant be arsed, you may have work at the moment but as i bet 90% of your work is enthusiast based you wont have any work once this batch is finished after this poor show.
Martin is a great guy with a lot of friends in the automotive world so to shit on him is very bad form and people will remember it , how would you feel if he built you an engine and had this same poor attitude ?
I was in a shit situation when zoo (cowboy) motorsport closed down with my escos in pieces and martin went out of his way to fix my car and help me out , true gent and i wont forget that, even as the owner of a tuning shop the situation was beyond me and i need honest help from a pro.
I suggest martin strips it to a rolling shell , you pay his labour for his messing about , you collect it then paint it ready for re assembly by martin which you also pay for ............
Or just wait til the courts force you to do something about it ? or refund him so someone who can be arse can do it ?
Either way u ve got shit on your face , nice one , good attitude
Both people are in a shit situation, martin is obviously going to be pissed off about the paint work and jacko as he is in a financial and reputational no win situation.
There both grown up' and i'm sure they can come to some sort of agreement between them without threatening hand bags at dawn
Hope it gets sorted out for the both of you what ever the out come
