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21-12-2005, 03:09 PM
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Pipe down you twat.
When I post on a SECS post, it's because the guy is a rip-off con merchant.
So by your theory, are you suggesting that's the case here then?
At least I say what I mean....... what's with your constant digs at Harvey then, as it's certainly not the first time?
Come on - grow some balls, and get it off your chest.........
When I post on a SECS post, it's because the guy is a rip-off con merchant.
So by your theory, are you suggesting that's the case here then?
At least I say what I mean....... what's with your constant digs at Harvey then, as it's certainly not the first time?
Come on - grow some balls, and get it off your chest.........
21-12-2005, 03:10 PM
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i've just brought a harvey engine pon, and so was my last one.
so you pipe the fuck down!
no one else had a problem with my sarcy comments.
wrong side of the bed was it?
im not going to bicker on this thread, as once again another thread will get put into the bin!
so you pipe the fuck down!
no one else had a problem with my sarcy comments.
wrong side of the bed was it?
im not going to bicker on this thread, as once again another thread will get put into the bin!
21-12-2005, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
Pipe down you twat.
When I post on a SECS post, it's because the guy is a rip-off con merchant.
So by your theory, are you suggesting that's the case here then?
At least I say what I mean....... what's with your constant digs at Harvey then, as it's certainly not the first time?
Come on - grow some balls, and get it off your chest.........
When I post on a SECS post, it's because the guy is a rip-off con merchant.
So by your theory, are you suggesting that's the case here then?
At least I say what I mean....... what's with your constant digs at Harvey then, as it's certainly not the first time?
Come on - grow some balls, and get it off your chest.........
21-12-2005, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
Originally Posted by RichardPON should have
Come on - grow some balls, and get them off your nose.........
Beat me to it!!
21-12-2005, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Franco
Originally Posted by DaveEscos
Originally Posted by RichardPON should have
Come on - grow some balls, and get them off your nose.........
Beat me to it!!
fancy the Kent meet tonight so I can slate you to your face?
21-12-2005, 03:17 PM
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oh mum jokes rich
your so original
you must be confusing my mum with your girlfriend.
do you have a girlfriend rich?
is she as misserable as you?
i would fookin think so if she has to put up with your toy throwing
your so original
you must be confusing my mum with your girlfriend.
do you have a girlfriend rich?
is she as misserable as you?
i would fookin think so if she has to put up with your toy throwing
21-12-2005, 03:17 PM
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Err in a word..............Bollocks! a big fat hairy pair!
Nah i've got some bits that need sorting on the car tonight & she thinks we're going shopping
................And Paul R the fairy doesn't like the cold.
I'd be billy no mates!
You'd have a fookin field day at my expense!!
Nah i've got some bits that need sorting on the car tonight & she thinks we're going shopping
................And Paul R the fairy doesn't like the cold.I'd be billy no mates!
You'd have a fookin field day at my expense!!
21-12-2005, 03:18 PM
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so whats the point of the dyno if it all has to be double checked on the road?
All development work is finalised in teh real world, even on modern cars like, say, the new BMW M3. Do you realise the new M3 is ALREADY on its seventh software revision? Yes, thats its MAPPING, and its been on sale for 1/2 a year, BMW keep updating as the REAL WORLD finds faults in there original layout, and they update it whilst its in for servicing..
Once the cars get out into the real world, there are various factors to take into consideration that a Dyno simply cannot prepare you for. Factors such as:
Restricted intake airflow
LESS Restricted intake airflow
Restricted engine cooling
LESS Restricted engine cooling
Restricted intercooler function
LESS Restricted intercooler function
Restricted exhaust system
LESS restrictive exhaust system?
Higher ECT's
Lower ECT's
Higher ACT's
Lower ECT's
Higher EGT's than present in static dyno area.
Lower EGT's than present in static dyno area.
The list goes on, and these are just dynamic factors right off teh top of my head... There are better ones:
The engine is now fuelled via your own fuel system.. can it play the game? Or is it failing to supply the rail with pressure at 7000RPM due to a shonky regulator or a regulator pipe clip slightly leaking?
The ecu you had mapped at 13.7volts is now powered by your own electrical system... is it still 13.7volts at 2.5bar of boost?
I could go on, but if i need to, please all just sell your cars and buy Micra's......
21-12-2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan
oh mum jokes rich
your so original
you must be confusing my mum with your girlfriend.
your so original
you must be confusing my mum with your girlfriend.
So any answer then?
It's just the "full 'o shit o-meter" was off the scale, and I wanted to see your reaction would be when I questioned it.
So come on then. You seem to have an idea that there's a better way to check the engine as suggested, and you seem to ridicule the idea of having to pay for a det check after a dyno session.
I just wondered what your idea would be........... well?
21-12-2005, 03:23 PM
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fit the new turbo to my engine, with its current map, drive to a tuner
get it live mapped on the road in car!
job done
drive home!
happy now?
thought not
get it live mapped on the road in car!
job done
drive home!
happy now?
thought not
21-12-2005, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
What gap ? My auxilary radiator runs from the top of the standard one, all the way to the slam panel, so it is pretty much sealed in...
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? My auxilary radiator runs from the top of the standard one, all the way to the slam panel, so it is pretty much sealed in...img]
feel free to copy
21-12-2005, 03:27 PM
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Obviously not, because on page 1 you wrote:
.... or did you ignore the fact that you wrote that?
The way it's written to me looks pedantic and condescending, so as such, I want to know, purely in the interest of sharing of information of course, as to what the better method would be.
You know full well you're not taking the engine out to dyno it for a simple turbo swap, so obviously that's not what's being referred to in the above.......
i thought this was the point of the dyno also?
so whats the point of the dyno if it all has to be double checked on the road
so whats the point of the dyno if it all has to be double checked on the road
The way it's written to me looks pedantic and condescending, so as such, I want to know, purely in the interest of sharing of information of course, as to what the better method would be.
You know full well you're not taking the engine out to dyno it for a simple turbo swap, so obviously that's not what's being referred to in the above.......
21-12-2005, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
so whats the point of the dyno if it all has to be double checked on the road?
All development work is finalised in the real world, even on modern cars like, say, the new BMW M3. Do you realise the new M3 is ALREADY on its seventh software revision? Yes, thats its MAPPING, and its been on sale for 1/2 a year, BMW keep updating as the REAL WORLD finds faults in there original layout, and they update it whilst its in for servicing..
Once the cars get out into the real world, there are various factors to take into consideration that a Dyno simply cannot prepare you for. Factors such as:
Restricted intake airflow
LESS Restricted intake airflow
Restricted engine cooling
LESS Restricted engine cooling
Restricted intercooler function
LESS Restricted intercooler function
Restricted exhaust system
LESS restrictive exhaust system?
Higher ECT's
Lower ECT's
Higher ACT's
Lower ECT's
Higher EGT's than present in static dyno area.
Lower EGT's than present in static dyno area.
The list goes on, and these are just dynamic factors right off the top of my head... There are better ones:
The engine is now fuelled via your own fuel system.. can it play the game? Or is it failing to supply the rail with pressure at 7000RPM due to a shonky regulator or a pipe clip slightly leaking?
The ecu you had mapped at 13.7volts is now powered by your own electrical system... is it still 13.7volts at 2.5bar of boost?
I could go on, but if i need to, please all just sell your cars and buy Micra's......
I wish you had been in on the dyno vs live mapping debate on the GTR REG a while back Stu.
21-12-2005, 03:34 PM
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pon i refer to what i wrote on page 2:
lighten the fuck up pon you grumpy old c-unt!
I know im not taking the engine out, i think its pointless. I spoke to mike by PM about getting a turbo from harvey a while ago.
My point is whats the point in dyning an engine to within safe limits and then being told you cant run it flat out until you've had another check.
Its a wonder how all these engine builders cope with out dyno's isnt it.
Mapping on the road? who would have thought it
Plus what stu has added above, about all the additional effecting factors when the engine is back in the car!
lighten the fuck up pon you grumpy old c-unt!
I know im not taking the engine out, i think its pointless. I spoke to mike by PM about getting a turbo from harvey a while ago.
My point is whats the point in dyning an engine to within safe limits and then being told you cant run it flat out until you've had another check.
Its a wonder how all these engine builders cope with out dyno's isnt it.
Mapping on the road? who would have thought it
Plus what stu has added above, about all the additional effecting factors when the engine is back in the car!
21-12-2005, 03:36 PM
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So are you saying the undertray is physically joined to the bottom of the rad...?? Cant see it in that pic, if so ... thats obv not a std undertray ay? Kevlar?
... thats obv not a std undertray ay? Kevlar?
21-12-2005, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan
My point is whats the point in dyning an engine to within safe limits and then being told you cant run it flat out until you've had another check.
21-12-2005, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Damo,
Can you not see the thick peace of foam at the botton that they sit on that seals the two together, or do you need to go to Spec-Savers? 
Can you not see the thick peace of foam at the botton that they sit on that seals the two together, or do you need to go to Spec-Savers?
Actually I think I do need my eyes tested now you mention it
21-12-2005, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Rainbird so no one can satisfactory sort the high coolant temp issue then on the Escos?..What does the WRC or Grp A car run...the original setup?
.The WRC cars run a HUGE radiator that goes to the top of the slam panel and a custom intercooler that runs the full width of the opening on the front spoiler
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21-12-2005, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Rainbird so no one can satisfactory sort the high coolant temp issue then on the Escos?..What does the WRC or Grp A car run...the original setup?
and going faster just cools it even more!!
21-12-2005, 03:46 PM
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...well i certainly dont want a shonky installation like yours...high temps must drop the BHP if mapped properly....but atleast you got a nice ACT
Why the as i was asking what they ran?..and assumed it was like the std setup
Why the
as i was asking what they ran?..and assumed it was like the std setup
21-12-2005, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
...well i certainly dont want a shonky installation like yours...high temps must drop the BHP if mapped properly....but atleast you got a nice ACT
Why the as i was asking what they ran?..and assumed it was like the std setup
Why the
as i was asking what they ran?..and assumed it was like the std setup What high temps? I have resolved the issue
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21-12-2005, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Rainbird so no one can satisfactory sort the high coolant temp issue then on the Escos?..What does the WRC or Grp A car run...the original setup?
and going faster just cools it even more!!