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21-12-2005, 03:51 PM
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my temps only increase if left to idle
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idle so temps reach 95 degs
start driving.. give it a 6 - 7 second squirt in any gear under load/boost
coolant temp drops to 69 -70
If driving from cold.. coolant wont rise above 60 as long as i dont idle for ages
im concerned though.. the colder the engine runs...the more fuel its going to squeeze from me?? doesnt the CTS have a part in the fuelling?
also, will this be affecting my oil temps? pressure always remains good btw.. still on shitty non synth (till i hit the magic 1000... 100 away!! )
scenaro is
idle so temps reach 95 degs
start driving.. give it a 6 - 7 second squirt in any gear under load/boost
coolant temp drops to 69 -70
If driving from cold.. coolant wont rise above 60 as long as i dont idle for ages
im concerned though.. the colder the engine runs...the more fuel its going to squeeze from me?? doesnt the CTS have a part in the fuelling?
also, will this be affecting my oil temps? pressure always remains good btw.. still on shitty non synth (till i hit the magic 1000... 100 away!! )
21-12-2005, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Stirling
Originally Posted by DaveEscos
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Rainbird so no one can satisfactory sort the high coolant temp issue then on the Escos?..What does the WRC or Grp A car run...the original setup?
and going faster just cools it even more!!
ooh, thought it was just me... read my latest post Doug... I was always a bit alarmed at constantly seeing the temp needle off the scale.. at the BOTTOM!
do you think its affecting out mpg (not that there really is any!) or oil temps?
21-12-2005, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Dave that is very low 
I think a bit of bully bulshit like your 1bar of anti lag at idle 
I have no obstructions and get a good 78c well happy with that!
I think a bit of bully bulshit like your 1bar of anti lag at idle I have no obstructions and get a good 78c well happy with that!
come down to the kent meet tonight and ill show you both!
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21-12-2005, 03:57 PM
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that is quite low... doug, do you have a secs?? do you know what temp secs reads when fans cut in?
Mine used to be a perfect 92/93 degrees, then one night (it was cold) coolants would not rise above 74ish... then fans came in was still reading below 80.. Knew sunmmat was wrong, so I changed the EGT sensor... and NOW it must be reading acuratly.. fans kick in circa 95-98 on SECS
and cruising in these ambients sees circa 80
Dave I will do a 80MPH 5th gear steady run tonight on way and see what they read... but Fairly certain it will be above 77-79
Though obviously you do have a greater cooling area..
Mine used to be a perfect 92/93 degrees, then one night (it was cold) coolants would not rise above 74ish... then fans came in was still reading below 80.. Knew sunmmat was wrong, so I changed the EGT sensor... and NOW it must be reading acuratly.. fans kick in circa 95-98 on SECS
and cruising in these ambients sees circa 80
Dave I will do a 80MPH 5th gear steady run tonight on way and see what they read... but Fairly certain it will be above 77-79
Though obviously you do have a greater cooling area..
21-12-2005, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
...Dave you are SOOO easily wound up Like i truly give a shit you cock!
Like i truly give a shit you cock!deep down mate, you really are a sad little goon, dressed in 50 cents pyjama's that you've bought off ebay... selling refrigerator spares whilst bigging it up as a motorsport business
21-12-2005, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Damo V
Dave I will do a 80MPH 5th gear steady run tonight on way and see what they read... but Fairly certain it will be above 77-79
Though obviously you do have a greater cooling area..
mine will deffo be in a 57 to 65 range damo... if we can be arsed.. ill take you out so you can see for yourself.. or check it as soon as I pul up tonight..
I may change the sensor, but it was new with the build... still.. for the sake of Ł25!
21-12-2005, 04:03 PM
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you defo sure had a new ECT sensor??
Mine didnt no real need TBH
Got a new one from PJ motorsport was about 20 quid
from ford they are circa 40+
Would defo change it If I was you... mine you my dash needle still read properly, so it yours is reading below cold... cant just be the ECT sensor??
Mine didnt no real need TBH
Got a new one from PJ motorsport was about 20 quid
from ford they are circa 40+
Would defo change it If I was you... mine you my dash needle still read properly, so it yours is reading below cold... cant just be the ECT sensor??
21-12-2005, 04:06 PM
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yeah, needle doesnt register..
but when secs temps hit 90ish, its just reaching halfway
95.. needle is teetering over the halfway mark
98-99 up near the red
so std gauge deffo works and secs seems in line with it
I thought that my water pump wasnt man enough to transport the coolant from the matrix at the back.. to my laminova at the front and back round to the head.. hence low temps
im honestly not that at ease with them being so cold.... they literally instantly drop when I boot it. Ive not water leaks either.. water system is as tight as a nut
but when secs temps hit 90ish, its just reaching halfway
95.. needle is teetering over the halfway mark
98-99 up near the red
so std gauge deffo works and secs seems in line with it
I thought that my water pump wasnt man enough to transport the coolant from the matrix at the back.. to my laminova at the front and back round to the head.. hence low temps
im honestly not that at ease with them being so cold.... they literally instantly drop when I boot it. Ive not water leaks either.. water system is as tight as a nut
21-12-2005, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Damo V
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
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I would also be VERY careful about doing this speed before having the car det checked. Mark had to pull several degrees of timing out of Yum's car at the top end for top speed runs....
I would also be VERY careful about doing this speed before having the car det checked. Mark had to pull several degrees of timing out of Yum's car at the top end for top speed runs....
21-12-2005, 04:10 PM
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My dash guage never really goes above hlfway (though could prob do with a new sensor maybe) and secs never gone above 98-99
Something not quite right there with yours I imagine??
Chat about it later..
As a point to note, if the pump wasnt man enough, it would be HOTTER at the head than you would like, as it wouldnt be getting cooled quick enough..
Something not quite right there with yours I imagine??
Chat about it later..
As a point to note, if the pump wasnt man enough, it would be HOTTER at the head than you would like, as it wouldnt be getting cooled quick enough..
21-12-2005, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
...Dave Dave Dave....you really got wound up didnt you? I had a joke you get nasty 
Never mind.
I had a joke you get nasty Never mind.
you think THAT was nasty!?
21-12-2005, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by foreigneRS
sounds like you have a faulty thermostat dave.
looks a good job mike - you did use closed cell foam to do the sealing didn't you?
looks a good job mike - you did use closed cell foam to do the sealing didn't you?
. I'm sure Damo thinks it's the stuff he washes his face with .
21-12-2005, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by foreigneRS
sounds like you have a faulty thermostat dave.
looks a good job mike - you did use closed cell foam to do the sealing didn't you?
looks a good job mike - you did use closed cell foam to do the sealing didn't you?
. I'm sure Damo thinks it's the stuff he washes his face with . ?
21-12-2005, 04:32 PM
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I would also be VERY careful about doing this speed before having the car det checked. Mark had to pull several degrees of timing out of Yum's car at the top end for top speed runs....
Id want my car to be mapped to be safe at top speed from the start
The Ecu did
due to high inlet temp as it is programed to 
but I programed it so tech he could be right Mark
21-12-2005, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by Damo V
once it was bought to my attention, I was then able to spot a hole
Unless you change it to a far superior rubber set-up in the mean time
21-12-2005, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
high temps must drop the BHP if mapped properly
I thought it backed it off if coolant ran to a certain temp
21-12-2005, 05:23 PM
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Dave - I had the issue you decribe concerning the water tempurature. When driving along it would stay between 58-65 and got colder when you booted it on a dual carriageway/open road..... Even if you tried to put the heaters on hot it would be freezing and take bloody ages to demist the windows! It would get hot if you were to just let the car stand and idle on it's own but would take a while before the fans kicked in...
I like Damo though it was sensor related but it ended up being the thermostat stuck open. Got a new one and installed and the temps were around 78/80 while driving and the heaters were nice n warm!
Worth a try i say...............Neary fell over when i found out the cost for one though!
I like Damo though it was sensor related but it ended up being the thermostat stuck open. Got a new one and installed and the temps were around 78/80 while driving and the heaters were nice n warm!
Worth a try i say...............Neary fell over when i found out the cost for one though!
21-12-2005, 06:22 PM
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Reading on this Topic that people are moaning over Ł350 det check before a Topspeed run. If you want your engine to last get it done.
Mine has done 19 Topspeed runs to date & its Det checked before & then during the run. Mark has come off the gas a couple of times cos he heard a minute crack of Det. Without this checking nothing would appear to be wrong until you drop a piston.
20 secs Flat out in 5th aint possible on the road its an extreme test.
Asked about this cars Topspeed i will be as honest as i can & its not a diss.
Correctly geared 450bhp will see around 174 with the wing off. However this car is lacking Torque to acclerate the car up to those Speeds & i suggest it will still be acclerating at the brake point @ around 170 tops.
I wont be wrong have done it too many times.
Rod
Mine has done 19 Topspeed runs to date & its Det checked before & then during the run. Mark has come off the gas a couple of times cos he heard a minute crack of Det. Without this checking nothing would appear to be wrong until you drop a piston.
20 secs Flat out in 5th aint possible on the road its an extreme test.
Asked about this cars Topspeed i will be as honest as i can & its not a diss.
Correctly geared 450bhp will see around 174 with the wing off. However this car is lacking Torque to acclerate the car up to those Speeds & i suggest it will still be acclerating at the brake point @ around 170 tops.
I wont be wrong have done it too many times.
Rod
21-12-2005, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Mark had to pull several degrees of timing out of Yum's car at the top end for top speed runs....
Nothing wrong with that and it still pulled a 178.5mph, 15sec flat out in 5th gear and still pulling
And yes a standard intercooler and no water injection, but not for much longer roll on Marks new intercooler
21-12-2005, 08:27 PM
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Dave's jayb's old car pulled the limiter on a t34 @ 7200 on 17's
Your car looks good btw - but wtf is that crap infront of the cooler ? an interwarmer add on ?
I did 169 in my shed mate, pulled it piss at the top of the hill at brunters, over half the track to go LOL....
Your car looks good btw
- but wtf is that crap infront of the cooler ? an interwarmer add on ?I did 169 in my shed mate, pulled it piss at the top of the hill at brunters, over half the track to go LOL....
21-12-2005, 08:29 PM
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Rod from what i gather unless you have got drilled sensors in the block its almost impossible to hear det anyway....mark must have better hearing than most race engine developers.
If its mapped propered it don't need the pre det checks surely...
And no i have not made up with up you at all, no idea why you spout such nonsense.
If its mapped propered it don't need the pre det checks surely...
And no i have not made up with up you at all, no idea why you spout such nonsense.
