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what you lot think of it and look at the price so far

 

HHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Something does look right there

Cue the big "How many black S1's were REALLY made" debet the rears its ugly head ever few months

 

what a shitter!

Who gives a toss what colour it is. It's rusty as f00k and not worth Ł100

 

 

Where's the proper graphics for the side of the cart then? I bet it's a mk3 Escort maybe xr3, but NOT S1

 

i thought princess diana had the only black one,or is that a case of chinese whisper that ive heard

 

i thought something was not right aswell

 

snap!....

 

Princess diana had one and there was one other one made. But I very much doubt that this is the other one.

 

So how can you be so sure? There were a small number of Genuine S1's out there not made in white (yes, Princess Di had one black one, but I have seen with my own eyes two other GENUINE black ones, 1 red and one grey) and the fact the graphics are missing don't mean a thing. My last S1 had all black decals, instead of the blue and black decals, but it was still genuine S1...

Princess Di's S1 had no graphics - was it a fake? No...

It could be genuine, but I doubt it - and I base that purely on price and condition. If it is a genuine original, then it would have been owned by a proper enthusiast, and sold on and bought by more enthusiasts and is unlikely to get in that condition. Secondly, a proper enthusiast would price it higher than that too, regardless of condition....

 

poor old stoned ,you don't understand,these are the cars that some fool will pay a fortune for when it's done if only to have a car like diana used to! it's well worth Ł2000 to the right person who can do all the work themselves and then get about Ł8000 for it done. now if your talking piles of shit i'd start with gti-r's

 

You can say whatever you like, I wont lose any sleep over it.

Fact remains that is a rusty shed of a shell not worth the asking price. And you'd be a muppet to buy it simply to have a black S1.

But then, you've probably bid on it already...

 

well, if it is a real one, it would be worth cash right?
so surely its worth gettin the bloke to give anyone interested
the Chassis No or something? find out from that perhaps somehow?
I dunno, does seem very strange such a rare car would
be left to get so bad.

 

Stoned,
Keybaord Warrior

 

The argument -

If you had only 1 of 2 Black Series 1's Would you allow it to reach this stage.

I fooking would not what A shite box.

Mine would be sitting in a warm garage. However the idea of a Series 1 in another colour than white has always apeallled to me like the red one in either FF or PF.

 

I remember a guy that owned a black one saying he was going to restore it.
There are a few that were made btw

 

That's what I thought too!

And I can't believe this is the other one, it is knackered!!

 

Depends if you are into your fords or not really, the blue one made for Cats Eyes was left to rot then crushed, the red one was resprayed a different shade of red a one point in its life (now returned to original by Scot) so if you dont know what you have then you just treat it like another car.

I tried to buy the red one and was prepared to pay the money without seeing it just because of its history as I knew you dont loose money on these cars but still lost out, I may also bid on this one but need to get its identity verified first as it could have been dealer resprayed before it was registered, only the plates / ford will be able to verify it if a genuine black S1 when it left the factory, but to be honest I think its around its money now as IMO it will need around Ł4k thrown at it to bring it back to where it should be.

 

Whats the deal here then.

 

No thats not right, cos I know of the guy that owns the Princess Di one, and as I said I have also seen 2 others that were genuine-left-the-factory black S1's.... So minimum there's 3....

 

something said as most of pf left essex show today
im sure someone will say somethink about it later

 

I see.

 

 

What a shitbox! Genuine or not, there'll be hardly any original parts of it left by the time its back on the road.

I've seen the "Di" one thrush is talking about - it looks fantastic!

 

i can see the apeal in owing an ORIGINAL black series one.. but would i pay THAT much (god knows what the price will get to) for it would i fuck, it a rite rusty piece of rotting shit! needs more work than is humanly possible to get it back in shape there would be SO LITTLE of the original car left you may as well not of bothered in the first place.. oh well each to there own! and im sure people have spent more money on worse things... cant think of any at the moment but im sure they have

 

I live in paignton where this car is from,and YES it is the real thing,he has owned it for years its been off the the road(outside)for well over 7 years,he crashed it and had it repaired,it hasent been right since.also he paid around 4 grand for it the lady he got it off was leaving the country.i'll find out some more info cause its my mates brother.

 

Right, to settle the argument again, there were 5 black Series 1s built, Princess Di's was the only one sprayed black DIRECT, as in not sprayed white & then resprayed black afterwards.

There is a genuine black Series 1 in Torbay, not sure whether it's that one, I've known of the one in Paignton for 11 years & it used to have purple graphics down the sides.

There is also one that drives around Torquay too owned by a female which has clear rear lenses & TSW Hockenheims.
It's registered as an XR3i now & was told that the girl that bought it took the turbo lump out because she couldn't afford the insurance with the turbo lump, this one does have the purple graphics that the one I saw 11 years ago (& a few times after that).
The one that the female owns has had the front arch extension re-rivited THROUGH the side of the arch extension!

The one that used to be in Paignton did have nsr arch repairs done a few years ago as it was running around with grey primer on the rear quarter.

 

escortmad,mate both the ones your on about are not real.the real one has always had the proper blue decals ,HTH

 

Mr.worth is correct

 

The one that I know of from Torbay was owned by an RS enthusiast who used to show it with the RSOC as I first saw it at a car show as a 14 year old boy in 1993

 

Hmm will have to delve further into this one

 

last three letters on the plate are HAR,ring any bells?

 

i thought this to be true

 

Smartrs is also correct

 

That's it!!

Always remember thinking CHARgrilled when I saw it cos it was black

Ain't the one in Torquay as that one is C441BTA

 

Smartrs is PARTIALLY correct, she had the only factory black one ie sprayed black over primer, however 4 or 5 others were resprayed by Fords as special order cars which were initially sprayed white & then stripped & resprayed at extra cost, just like they did with the black Mk2 RS2000s.

 

That is quite possible

 

Last i heard from his bro was he was restoring it,must of changed his mind when he took the kit off ,that car was so nice in its day he always give it some for me and my mates stood round on our push bikes ,shame he let it get to the state its in now.

 

That is correct it was white to start with,i saw some paint flaking off the arch and it was white underneath.

 

The 1 and only black one has `SWARTZ` on the slam panel