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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:26 PM
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Default crank position sensor.. what does it do.....

other than determine the rotation of the crank

what signal does it send to the ECU?

would it have a hold on the fuel delivery on cranking?


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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:28 PM
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it determines the position of the crank and if you plugged this into an osciliscope, you'd see a square wave pattern.

not sure if it has an affect on fuel delivery when cranking tho
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:28 PM
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yes it govens the fuel pump while running\cranking
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:32 PM
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yes it govens the fuel pump while running\cranking

mm...interesting.....



any way i can test my CPS with a voltmeter or any such device?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:32 PM
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It informs the ECU of RPM effectively, based on that info it then knows how much and when to fuel/spark

Well, its one of the inputs used anyway, its not the only one though of course!
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:35 PM
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Turn ignition on live, DO NOT START THE CAR

you can check the resistance accross pin 3 & 4 on the ECU needs to be between 300-1200ohms

then you can check the voltage accross the CPS, same pins but test while cranking the engine. Should be at least 2v

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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:38 PM
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BTW the ECU needs to be plugged in while testing so you will need to remove the cover off the ECU plug and then plug it back into the ECU
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:39 PM
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think ill just chuck my old one on and see if that works!

cheers Ryan.. can a voltmeter measure resistance ? dont think mine does



also, on cranking, if it doesnt fire up, then the plugs should be wet shouldnt they.. not just sooty and dry
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:44 PM
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yeah the plugs should be wet.

you sure there's petrol in the tank?

Regards readings it should have a resistance setting if not, if its got a continuity buzzer you can use that im pretty sure if i remember rightly.

unless its a real cheap tester.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:47 PM
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whats the prob with it Dave?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:49 PM
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im guess that it doesnt run Dean.

just a guess though

only jesting mate
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not firing mate... was just driving it and it cut out...

thinking its a cps fault... ive double checked the timing and alls ok

compression in all 4 pots is bang on identical

on cranking then removing plugs.. just sooty and not wet at all..


must be cps??
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:52 PM
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i take it this isnt your car then dave?

as surely the pectel monitor would have picked up on this straight away
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is the fuel pump running?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:54 PM
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as chip has said if the fuel pump runs when cranking then the CPS is fine
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan
BTW the ECU needs to be plugged in while testing so you will need to remove the cover off the ECU plug and then plug it back into the ECU
does it
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:55 PM
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pump buzzes away no probs with ign on.. think is.. cant hear it when cranking.. the turning over is too loud
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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What normally happens is the pump should prime when you turn the ignition on for a few second an then stop.

Then when you crank it the pump should start up again.

I believe (but im not as familiar with the L6/L6 as some ECU's so i may be wrong) that if it turns on when cranking it means the ecu has a crank sender signal.
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Sorry I relised you had no spark, I was wondering if your injectors were pulsing/switching?
I have a delay on starting on mine cranks over for a few secs with no spark no injectors, then it all fires up. does it every time when cold it seems?
Done it for ages now just thought it could of been sim prob as you?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 05:10 PM
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dean, there is spark mate, just seems no fuel...


might remove the rail.. see if the injectors pulse



Chip.. als pectel boards run the fuel pump continiously once ign is on.. doesnt damage the pump btw
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 05:24 PM
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Had a map sen issue had spark but no fuel ,took ages to find doh.
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Dave, don't forget MAP sensor earths off of one of its bolt holes also - knowing yours is mounted differently, might be worth running a small length of wire to earth to make sure?

Is your monitor showing a CPS error?
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as bill says back right hand bolt hole is earth .
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 06:01 PM
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map is earthed.. ally mount


Bill, cant get the car to start.. so will the monitor still pick up the signals?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 06:07 PM
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Think so Dave, at least on sensors it's using when starting, mine picked up CPS error when it wouldn't start - shame it wasn't the CPS on mine
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 09:33 AM
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dean, there is spark mate, just seems no fuel...


might remove the rail.. see if the injectors pulse



Chip.. als pectel boards run the fuel pump continiously once ign is on.. doesnt damage the pump btw
Dont remove the fuel rail,
Just pull a plug of an injector and check for switching using a noid ligh or a test light/led tester.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 10:41 AM
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dean, there is spark mate, just seems no fuel...


might remove the rail.. see if the injectors pulse



Chip.. als pectel boards run the fuel pump continiously once ign is on.. doesnt damage the pump btw
Dont remove the fuel rail,
Just pull a plug of an injector and check for switching using a noid ligh or a test light/led tester.
or volt meter?
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 10:46 AM
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yeah you can use a buzzer on the volt meter.

as injectors are 12v igntion swtiched live and then earthed by the ECU.

So put the voltmeter to buzzer, put 1 end on pin 1 of the injector plug and the other to earth.

if its a decent enough voltmeter the buzzer should pick up the pulse.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:01 AM
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buzzer? it has about 1000 switches, but no buzzer PMSL!
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:03 AM
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oh top voltmeter then.

halfords special was it

dear lord it must have a buzzer on it surely
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fuck off you c*nt...


its a digital one with a peak recall (seriously)
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:08 AM
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you got it infront of you? get me a pic or STFU, so i can see if it has a buzzer setting.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:10 AM
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pmsl.. thats MY phrase!
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:15 AM
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pmsl at you two. My multi meter's better than yours
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:18 AM
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dean.. trust me, im not trying toplay a multimeter comp with this ballet dancing queerlord!

being director for pectel ripp of... eerr pestell Looms i would hope he has a better one that me!!
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:25 AM
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dave there about 200% better than when you saw them


and yes i have got a sligthly better multimeter
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Originally Posted by Ryan
as chip has said if the fuel pump runs when cranking then the CPS is fine
Thats not all together true, if the CPS is giving incorrect readings it could still trigger the relay to arm the pump/amal/iscv.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:35 AM
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right billy elliot.. heres the only multimeter i can find


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turn it to here and touch the 2 contacts together.

Does it buzz?
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:41 AM
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dingy the fuel prime is trigger by the p28 on ignition live, i dont think the CPS sends the signal on ignition live as the pulley isnt spinning.
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