Danny B

read this link and see how many of us would be effected,



AND THE BIG DEAL IS ……………………………………?????
The reply from the consultation document raised some troublesome issues the
biggest being that the Police are pressing for the right to actively look for
undeclared changes to the vehicle at MOT time. They then request that the
vehicle be put forward for SVA (where anything older than 1998 is not going to
pass as it was never designed to in the first place).
There is no viable argument to stop them doing this.
The legislation that requires an owner to declare any changes that he feels may
call the vehicles identity into question has ALWAYS been in place. It is
highlighted in the V5C guide that any changes to the body or chassis should be
notified to DVLA. This legislation has been largely ignored as it was virtually
impossible to enforce apart from at roadside checks. The computerized MOT
changes all of this. This is the law the Police are seeking to implement.
The criteria required to retain a vehicles identity is readily available on the DVLA
website. The crux of the 3 categories that rods AND customs fall into is that the
vehicle should retain the ORIGINAL UNMODIFIED CHASSIS OR
MONOCOCQUE. and a selection of original components. Therefore any vehicle
with a NON STANDARD CHASSIS will have its identity called into question
regardless of the V5C description appearing to match what is in front of them.
Despite their wish to put the identified vehicles through SVA this WILL require a
change in legislation, something that should have to go through Parliament.
This will affect other types of vehicles other than rods and customs. Take for
instance a Land Rover body on a shortened Range Rover chassis , a Mk 1 Escort
with World Cup X member and Capri struts , 5 link Capri 3 litre rear axle and a
Cosworth engine, or a VW Beetle with narrowed and dropped front beam,
upgraded rear suspension and transaxle and non OEM engine specification.
Let’s not forget the Morris Thousands with marina brake upgrades and Marina
axles coupled to non stock K series engines etc. None of these will pass SVA
due to their original design parameters.
Below is the relevant section and items that are recommended for review:-
From Radically altered vehicles section
28. There were varied responses from government departments. It was
suggested; that where the original chassis was retained but the appearance
changed to a different specification from the original, the vehicle should be
subject to SVA, that since the introduction of the INF 26 guidelines,
manufacturing processes have changed and the point system is no longer as
relevant as it was, that applicants should be required to present an
engineer/garage report, that a check at MoT testing would identify vehicles
which had been modified but DVLA had not been notified.
29. The Police considered the emphasis should be on vehicle crime and that the
current procedures were open to abuse. They agreed that there should be a
mechanism for identifying changes e.g. at MoT; that where a vehicle was
modified from its original specification, it should be regarded as newly built and
SVA etc be required
and the recommendations based on all the findings
Recommendations
To consider when a vehicle ceases to be the original vehicle.
To consider whether vehicles which have been radically altered from their
original specification, require type approval. This may involve changes to
legislation.
That the registration certificate be annotated to indicate that the vehicle has
been ‘customised’.
That staff received specialised training. DVLA Note: This action has already been
instigated
To consider checking the make/model details at the MoT test
The only way to prevent this is to ensure that they accept , as we all already
know , that the vehicles true identity resides in the body and /or chassis or
monococque, as already proved in the High Court in the case of the Bentley
‘Old number 1’.
To ensure that any vehicle highlighted by the proposed changes be subjected to
a safety test that is suitable for the age of the base vehicle.
To ensure some form of ‘Grandfather rights’ for existing vehicles.
SO WHO’S SAFE?
==============.
The only safe vehicles, under current proposals would be those that were
correctly registered at the time before SVA came in 1998. This would be those
will correct age related plates up to approx 1981 and then those registered and
Q plated up to 1998 that did so without having to go through SVA.
There will be a number of cars up to 1998 that were inspected and allowed to
retain their original registrations and their V5C changed to reflect the new
appearance.
This is still open to those whose vehicles were constructed prior to 1998 if they
have evidence in the form of MOT test certificates showing the vehicles new
appearance as opposed to its logbook description.
Cars first put on road after 1998, remembering that the taxation history can now
be traced, should have been subject to SVA regardless.
Even Pops that have a history of being rodded longer than they have been stock
would be under threat.
Please remember that the history of who has MOT’d a car, and when, will be a
matter of computer records from the end of this year.
In the background of all this is the across Europe harmonization of taxation
classes. We are one of the few countries to have a Historic Vehicle classification
so it is unlikely that concessions will be made for the rest of Europe. It is more
likely that the class will be removed or that restrictions placed on the use of
vehicles registered in this class as they do not contribute to the pot and as such
have no right to the road.
The FHVBC are currently putting together their information required to fight this
separate battle.
We should therefore be aware that it may be better in the long run to move to a
modified class where we pay road tax.
The NSRA and NASC have formulated a presentation to the DVLA that will
address all the issues of importance and the next steps will be formulated by
their reply.
Meanwhile approaches are also being made to all relevant magazines and
national clubs that will be affected by these proposals as there is obviously
strength in numbers. Many are not aware of how much the proposals will
impact upon them.

Ad4m RST

truly devastating bit of news.....

seriously now when is this fookin govt. going to back off the driver, its getting out of hand the amount of regulation......

motherhupit

TWATS

mmanse

c*nt's

when will the madness stop

MadMac

right thats it I'm leaving the fucking country, tellin me how to and not to mod my car (bit like PF then ) bolloks, my car, my money, my hobby. So long as its road safe what is the problem

Stealth Bomber

Sickening.


And car thieves almost never go to prison unless they've stolen 100 cars FFS.


WHO KEEPS VOTING FOR BLAIR?? FFS IT MUST BE SOME OF YOU!!! WHY?????????????

MadMac

some guy in the club last night was running about with a phony tony mask and had cu*t written accross the front and back of the shirt

Stealth Bomber

LoL at least someone realises who's the problem.

Anonymous

Fuck me, i would have NO chance with some of my cars!

Any modifications to the chassis sir?





Is this just a proposed thing or it is actually going to happen????

Ginge !

chip think ya just need a good MOT station

focusv8

Its just proposals, it will be be revised by the time it becomes law, like most proposals its over the top then when the final draft comes out it wont be as hard.

If the retrospective allocation of Q reg came out on any modded vehicle they would soon run out of Q's and would have to use the reserved "00" current style.

Oranoco

Why can't this fucking Government leave the motorist alone? Surely there are more important things they could be spending their time on

They say it will cut down on car crime but we all know the pikey wankers will do it another way and the people that will suffer are the honest motorists

motherhupit

They won't leave the motorists alone becasue the FUCKING TWATS, do u need any more expanation than that.

PhilM

It won't happen (one can only hope).
Without people running cossies they wouldn't make half as much revenue from petrol taxation
If we didn't have modified cars pissing fuel we couldn't have schools, or the NHS....and ultimately then there would be no MRSA and no Chavs....
Only thing we would do is hit our CO2 emissions targets for the people at Greenpeace.

Cam

Proposed legislation regarding modified cars has been advocated by the Police and Govt for years but its the EU that have recently pushed for it to be implemented.
At best it will be modelled on the German TUV and at worst it will make one off mods illegal.

Ginge !

dont forget that ANY engine mods are banned in france

Zetecfiesta

any body seen todays paper? a hand held police speed laser gun recorded a brick wall moving at 44mph! and a parked car at 23mph and a cyclist at 66mph!! looks like the police are gonna find it hard to say that the laser gun works effectivly now!