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M3 might not be a rocket ship but its not slow, e36 evo is about 12.2 0-100, e46's are a bit quicker.

Not bad 'out of the box' and some (e36's) are still around backed up by the BMW warranty (like mine)

rabmc

Brilliant cars , remember there mostly standard and there not slow would love a m3 e36 coupe estoril blue , white/cream leather and will probably get one after i get sick of the saff super realiable compared to cossies

STUCOS

iTrader: (8)

Own both a modded 3dr and am m3 evo,m3 is a better car if we take off out blinkers,have done loads of jap stuff in my m3,subaru imports,and new wrx,evo 6 ,had a guy on motorway comming back from scottish rsoc day,in saff who bottled it,most ppl who drive m3,s are not petrol heads like us and wount push them as hard as us,at the end of the day the m3 will cruise well in to treble figures on motorway,and get where i am going,where will cossie be,on hard shoulder broken down

cheeRS stu

Smit

iTrader: (5)

I had a tear up with a M3 CSL....

I was absolutely spanking my cossie bigtime and the M3 was fast and i couldn't keep with him! I was quite gutted

Sure he was trying Pete? Not meaning to piss on your chips but they are a quick automobile!

Rich_w

Because in the world of the Internet Forum. Everyones an expert. And I would say that 90% of the experts have never driven anything other than their own car.

Damo V

smit you are talking about the E46 M3 and a CSL at that (had it not been a CSL you probably wouldve faired a little better )

Eagle is talking about an E36, which are no where near as nice as the E46

Eagle

iTrader: (2)

no.... he was trying ... he booted it before i did and at the speed i passed i can honestly say he was trying .. and no it wasnt a few meters beach boy .. thats why i was a bit impressed by it....

Rich_w

Maybe he was braking for the Gatso up ahead

Nick b

I would quite happily put my e36 M3 up against 20 psi and a t34

I had a tear up with a modded wrx and i was on his boot all the way past 130+

Nick b

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

but thats a subaru a decent RWD stg 3 cos will maul you lol

Dan

Yeah EXACTLY mate, whereas an E36 M3 Evo isn't!

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

but it shouldn't be for 3x the cost new lol

Dan

So cossie's new cost what, over 20k, the M3 Evo didn't cost 60k mate!

The new E46 M3 CSL version is only 60k FFS!

jacko

you get more for your money buying a cos over an m3 and you get more tuning for your money with a cos aswell

Dan

Disagree that you get more for your money with a Cosworth, an older car for half the price? How do you work that one out?

jacko

i like bmw mate i have had an e30 hartga and and a 330 ci cab and i now nown a 3 door cos whitch i wauld much rather keep than any bmw cheeper car just as fast and with a bit of a tinkle much faster and certanly more fun to drive than an m3

Dan

Ah, agree with you there on those points but still disagree that you get more for your money!

3dr's are not far off 10k prices at the mo, whcih funnilly enough is what M3 Evo's are at the mo, bet you get a nicer, more refined ride with more gadgets etc for the same money!

jacko

i agree with that but if you take Ł10.000 and i take the same you buy an m3 and i buy a saf cos for around half that then we decide we are bored with the power you have no money left i have Ł5.000 to spend and once this is done i then have a car capable of beeting a super car . this is what i ment by more for your money

Dan

Fair enough but would you really consider an M3 Evo to be a super car? I know there bloody good cars but not in that sort of range?

What the top speed on these, unrestricted they stomp on to about 180mph don't they?

frog

Brunters anyone..... Time for a grudge match methinks to put all these words into action Put your money where your mouth is and find out properly...

Dan

Alright Greg, i've got to buy the fooker first! Plus i'm not sure old perfomance ford would have a german car in the mag! lol

Mind you they had a bike in there...........

Rich_w

Dont think Performance Ford would do it. Or if they did, they would edit it.

Something like Redline "may" be interested. Stage 3 with KNOWN mods vs E36. Drag and Circuit and Braking tests.

Could be an eye opener. Does anybody remember Revs about 5 years+ ago. Did a Standard Saff vs E30 M3 and they rated the M3 better

Oh and bias aside, anyone who thinks that ANY turbo car gives a better drive than a powerful NA needs to understand that nothing-nothing-nothing-everything isnt the easiest way to make progress

frog

Who said a magazine was needed... book the track, turn up, line them up side by side and drop a flag

Rich_w

Ahh, but a magazine would actually be scientific. They could also do all the other grudges

Evo vs Scooby
Elise vs Caterham
Enzo vs Carrera GT

frog

Ahh, but who needs to be scientific... a number of people on here have said their M3 (or whatever other car) would woop a cossie...

Time to put money where mouths are methinks.

rabmc

So what kind of cos we talking ?



how about e36 m3 evo V stage 3 saff

jacko

our chairmans saf 4b beet a 911 turbo 0 to 60 at croft and its not that moded ether so i dare say an m3 wauldnt be able to beet that

rabmc

My mate has a m3 e36 not had a race with him yet but my other friend has , and he also has a stage 3 saff and he said the difference is unbeleviable , the saff just edges in every gear no probs

EIL132

What's the point in putting a modded car against a standard one? Stick a stage 3 M3 against a stage 3 Cossie They are two completely different cars. The M3 isn't a boy racer car that you chuck bits onto to make it faster, it's about a complete package that doesn't break down, refined, handles, quiet, but makes a lovely howl when you open it up and is a joy to live with as apposed to wondering what that rattle is and how much it's gonna cost

frog

EIL132, not relevant if only to squash all this pub talk. I was only saying that those that claim their M3 (whatever stage) is faster than a cossie (stage 1, stage 3, etc...) should put their money where their mouth is and stop using magazine figures, my mate's stories, etc...

Pitch up and prove it

PS: Same applies to cossie owners

BTW, I took my car (stg 1 4x4 sapph) up the pod and ran a time which I now use to compare against other cars to get an idea of how quick mine is. I however take magazine figures with a hefty pinch of salt on the basis that the journo that ran it probably didn't give two hoots about the car, same for manufacturers who will run with minimal fuel and trim.
I ran mine up with all seats, ice, whatever fuel was in there, etc...

As an example, I read a feature in some magazine that had the std porche boxter, nissan 350Z and BMW Z4 3L slower than mine on 1/4 mile by up to a second. I would assume that any owner of such cars would not get near these times unless he has no mechanical sympathy for the car (I do and took it fairly gingerly ).

I am sure you know that the difference between an owner's time on strip/track and a journo or manufacturer can be huge, hence the suggestion for a one to one battle

Phew

STUCOS

iTrader: (8)

Right 10k for an evo,give me 7k and you can take mine,eili,correct why put a standard car against a modded one,as for tuning potental there are loads for m3's.quite a few 500 bhp ones about,maybe subaru drivers are right,cossie drivers think they are unbeatable,what about the fact that some ppl just cant drive,so ogf course you will hose them,im up for a grudge mate,would be good i performance ford,better still it could be between my 3dr and my m3,oh sorry not fair as 3dr is modded,and why should it be at brunters cant you shandy drinkers come north of the boarder

cheeRS stu

TurboNutter

I was having a "play" with an evo6 extreme (the white things with the orange bits on) last weekend... we both came hacking down the A38 and nearly blew a new shape M3 into the hedge... anyways, he decided he wanted some so he chased us, and caught up when we were sitting at a set of lights which were 4 lanes wide... Me and Mr Evo were exchanging words when this M3 pulled up and started revving the nuts off it.. We both laughed and when the lights changed i got killed by the evo from a pull off but poor mr M3 may as well have had the handbrake on!! How i laughed...

EIL132

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Oh how the 13 year old girls watching must have been impressed

POPEYE

i can understand when you say about the cossie is modded,but a standard cossie is only like 200 brake,so a modded one will be more like for like
even when mine was a old type stage1 i never came across an m3 that i didnt whoop.
yeah id put my stage2 against any m3, bring it on

TurboNutter

EIL132 - Yeah.. and i suppose you drive your m3 round everywhere at the speed limit ?

danvisteon

can i be honest if you spent the sort of money that i spent on my old series 2 or what most ( not all) have spent on their cossies, and spent it on a 3 litre M3 you are talking about a 600bhp m3 as the turbo conversion is about 6 to 7k and is a guarenteed minimum of 550bhp so that would be a match up and to put the record straight abit i bought my M3 from a guy with a stage 3 3 door but he had to sell the M3 to pay for the engine rebuild on the cossie and he still states that he misses the beemer and round the twisties the M3 is all over a cossie

frog

I have no doubt this would be the case, except for a very well sorted cossie in the handling department.
I'd also expect an evo and scooby to out-handle a cossie (unless very well sorted again).

I'm not that blinkered (probably less than most tbh).

simonc

Thats my old M3 above

Top car that was 100% reliable for the 25000 miles i did in it

Yes my stage 3 3dr cos was faster in acceleration but point to point the M3 was superior. I will probably get another M3 at some point but can't see myself parting with the 3dr either.

To put the record straight Dan i didn't sell my M3 to pay for the engine rebuild on the cos, it was because we had another baby & the M3 was too small & i had bought a Volvo 850R, 3 cars were too much !

Hope she's still going well Dan.

Simon

MikeyXR2i

Ive Driven Many M3's, they aint slow by far, ive give a cossie a good run for its money in one, especially in a Manual M3. Im gonna get one to

EIL132

Pops, your stage 1, 2 is beatable by an RST As said above, it isn't about max power, it's about the overall car, you know that