the strut brace

what link???

Red16

rod get off your high horse about your car, you dont have 500 bhp my fast cossie... yah dah yah dah yah dah!!

Ian M

not with them fookin legs mark.

ADUSR33

this post is funny..sooner or later u cozzy boys will turn to the darkside

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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ADUSR33,

If your car is so great, why are you always on a Ford Forum ...

ADUSR33

because i like cozzys as i owned two of em and 5 other rs models..

next fookin question slow boy

the strut brace

i fookin love the skylines, if i could afford a gtr r34 i would av one over any cozzy, till then...........i'll just drool over my mates

Cam

Fuckin' A!
I was more than a little disappointed at the torque output of many highly tuned GTRs. I was expecting an easy 700+ftlb of lurvely torque along with a reliable 700bhp power output....Oh how wrong I was! 450ftlb+ seems pretty rare among tuned liners with powerbands starting as high up the revrange as 5500rpm. As SteveN said the majority of folk tuning their GTRs go for extreme cam profiles (that make a BD16 seem very mild) and concentrate on chasing ultimate power figures rather than response and torque. My goal with my motor is ultimate torque and response but it just so happens that the spec I have ended up with also produces 800bhp.

Cam

Cam

A 500bhp Cossie costs more than Ł10k to create (NOT including buying base vehicle). You might build the motor for that but then you need a new gearbox with either a rwd (std t5 will not takle a gen 500hp) or 4wd (fucked over stg3 power), uprate the susp and brakes so Ł15 to 20k gets you a properly sorted 500bhp Cos.

For Ł20k you get a 550bhp R33 GTR (just boltons), gearbox is fine just a clutch req, std Brembos are just about up to that sort of power and a susp kit. Oh and that includes buying the base vehicle as well!

Cam

I love Cossies and have had every model except a 2wd Saff but my biggest regret is not seeing the writing on the wall and shutting out what Skylines did to the RS500s way back when (hosed them bigstyle).
You can pick up a sorted 32 GTR with 500HP+ for around Ł12k, spares are abundant and reasonably priced contrary to popular folklore eg; a new bare Cosworth head casting is approx Ł1400 and a new GTR one is just under a grand.
A WELL MAINTAINED 500HP GTR IS AS RELIABLE AS A 330 STG3 COSSY.
Turn to the darkside!

c6mby

an enjoyable read thanks all

jasonp

Sam just buy one m8 thier fookin gr8

Anonymous

Skyline motors tend to run high CR and low boost.
To get torque you need either lots of capacity, or to overfill the cylinders a lot with boost.

Not rocket science why skylines dont make much torque.

Torque is irrelevant anyway to acceleration, all that matters is BHP and gearing.

DanScoobySti

they did a 4wd r32 gts version, to be nitpicky

Anonymous

Fair enough, i stand corrected on that.

As a general rule though, its just the GTR

Mike Rainbird

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No Skyline is strictly 4wd, they ONLY revert to this drive set up when they loose traction, otherwise they run in rear wheel drive mode ALL the time. Even when they lose traction, the second that it is regained, the car reverts back to rwd - so the best of both worlds .

This is why no 2wd Cosworth will live with them on standing start acceleration. Top speed is a TOTALLY different kettle of tuna, as they are just SO heavy, that it dulls the acceleration above 100mph .

I have raced 500 AND 600+ bhp Skylines in CONTROLLED conditions with timing gear and when my car was 400bhp, it pissed on 500bhp Skylines on top speed and when it was 500bhp, it pissed on Rupert's "alleged" 650bhp Skyline .

The first case scenario was at Alconbury at a Revs shoot-out. I launched off the line like a girl (not wanting to break the diff) and recorded a 0-60 time of 6.6s and a quarter time of over 14s (according to the Stack), but still managed 172mph in 1.2 miles. The 500bhp Skylines were launching like they were golf balls off a tea it the way that only Skylines can do , and the best one only managed 169mph in the same distance .

The second scenario you should all know about, as it was when I did my first 180+mph run (Peformance Ford mag May 2001) and the Skyline managed a mere 172mph (before it went bang after 5-6 attempts at trying to beat this time ).

On track, unless they are a stripped out R32 GTRs, then they're big old boats (1600kg ) .

Stavros

Spot bollock on

You could say it another way, about them using huge exhaust housings and mental cams (i mean 280deg and 11mm of lift is common place and almost fairly mild compared to many cars), but both of those things are part and parcel of building a high comp low boost motor that still gives decent top end bhp.

Im doing it wother way round to the usual, big capacity, milder cams, lower comp, big turbo (but with relativley sensible exhaust housing size) and fuckloads of boost, and it will be silly amounts of torque as well as the power.

Is that why Rocket Ronnie did 196.6mph within 1.25miles of a standing start with under 700bhp, full interior, and standard gearbox, at the first TOTB?

SapphyMike

i dont care myself, i'm buying a BMW

And i know thats slower than both cars mentioned, but again, i dont care I'm happy

Anonymous

Steve, its ironic that me and you are basically building near identical spec engines (other than the two missing cylinders etc ) at the moment, you by applying some traditional thinking to a Jap build and me by applying some Jap thinking to a more traditional engine.

Ie we have kind of met in the middle!

Lets hope we arent both barking up the wrong tree!

Stavros

Oh and...

Hmmmm

Is that why in Japan even though they are "big old boats" R34GTR track cars usually share the top spots on the Tuner Time Attack (think GT Battle) events with R32GTRs, even though most only have around 600bhp, and the far lighter cars such as Scoobys, EVOs, SX's, and so on, even though they always have a minimum of 500bhp, and usually 600+ are usually a fair way behind?

BTW early R32GTRs weigh 1430kg, late ones weigh 1480kg (base models weight 1100kg!), R33GTRs weigh 1530kg, and R34GTRs weigh 1540kg, not quite 1600kg...

IIRC late spec EscCossies (with aircon, the door bars etc) weigh a good 1450kg dont they?

Stick to what you know mike, not Skylines, Harveys phone number

Mike Rainbird

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Steve,
With the exception of Ronnie's car (where he has spent a fortune on NISMO suspension parts ), I haven't seen any Skylines in this country that have impressed me on the handling circuits . So perhaps you are better placed at FF than J-tuner .

I fully expect the F1 guy's car to be set up properly suspension wise though, so hope to see an R34 that can handle at the GT battle .

Also, the weights you quote are the manufacturer's curb weights, I think you will find that the ACTUAL weight of them is considerably more .

Stavros

I didnt say anything about fast track ones in THIS country you big homo I said Japan, and dont pretend you know whats done to ronnies car as you blatantly dont

If the kerb weight is more than claimed, thats irrelivant as so is cossie (and bloody nearly all) kerb weights...

Your grasping at straws cause you aint got a cluuuuuuuuuue

DanScoobySti

the rs500 and the gtr32, both awesome

both banned

just different eras. Shin of prospec said that skyline owners in this country chase huge power without thinking about handling.

Disabled Account

BTW, in my reference book (The Cosworth Fords by Jeremy Walton)
the 1992-1994 Escort Cosworth weight is shown as 1,275 kg

Anonymous

Doug is that a dry weight or a kerb weight though?

Mike Rainbird

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Steve you moron, how many 500bhp Cossie owners in this country are likely to go up against Japanese, Australian, or New Zealand Skylines (twat ) ?

Regarding Ronnies car, I was "told" by someone in the know about a certain expedition to Japan with an empty suitcase, which came back full of NISMO suspension parts .

I always go by the ACTUAL weights of Cossies, as I have weighed both Sapphire AND Escort and know what they weighy (+/- 50kg for different brakes / wheels etc) .

Me thinks it's you clutching at straws - and very fucking short ones by the look of it .

Anonymous

Uk skyline owners dont do the job properly compared to their foreign cousins it would seem based on results so far.
Presumabley due to how much dearer nismo gear etc is here than in Japan.

I dont think that alters Steves point though, about the cars potential, lets just hope he hurries up and finishes his car so he can put into practice what he is preaching

Mike Rainbird

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Doug,
I think you will find that most LT Escorts weigh around 1335kg . ST ones another 40-60kg extra (depending on whether air-con / twin airbag model). Obviously more as well if fitted with big brakes / wheels.

Stavros

Im sure you said you wieghed yours once mike and it was WELL over 1400kg...

And Chips right, I wasnt talking about any cars in particular, i was talking about what can and had been done with them.

your like a politition (sp?) you answer the bits of the argument you can spin into your own comebacks and forget the rest...

Disabled Account

It does not specify Chip...BUT some interesting figures:

Road going Escort Cosworth (early 92/94 model): 1,275 kg
Works 93 Escort Cosworth Rally Car: 1,200 kg
Group A Seirra RS500: 1,100 kg

Anh

Theory says Cosworths will win, as they have weight advantage and equal power.

Reality says that no one really knows how much power each cars makes despite the claimed bhp figures, so you will always get mixed results in a straight-line shootout.

Mike Rainbird

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Steve,
That is correct, see above your post for more info regarding ACTUAL weights of Escorts .

Mine weighed 1429kg how I drive it on the road, but when on track, it goes under 1400kg, as I remove the rear MDF shelf / speakers / spare wheel / tool kit.

Mine is the heaviest Escort you can get (twin air-bags / SIPs / air-con (now removed), 18s, 380mm front / 315mm rear brakes etc.

I just feel it is irrelevant to compare Skylines from other countries where they do it PROPERLY , to the shonky efforts of this country . It would be a bit like comparing the calibre of Cossies you get in Australia to the calibre of Skylines, the disparity is all fucked up .

Anonymous

Mine with 500bhp certainly feels alot faster than a 500bhp skyline....

LOL

Stavros

I dont, as we not talking about specific cars are we, and the point still stands that these cars from Japan still weigh 1400+kg and only 650 or so bhp and win (or up near the top, behind the R32s ) the time attack competitions against far lighter cars with just as much power.

Bit of a piss poor analogy there Mike when theres Cossie powered cars in Oz running Mid 9s (Untubbed arches)

Porkie

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Ronnies car was up on the ramp last time I was down at Abbeys... I know exactly what suspension was on it!

I'm pretty sure it wasn't running that set up at TOTB1 though. I was supposed to be seeing him on monday so would have checked but I have double booked myself.

Anonymous

When you young man have started to achieve what i have with my car, you can lecture me on how i conduct myself, Jealousy is a funny emotion & ONE YOU NEED TO CONTROL.

Stavros

Jesus Rod, nobody (or very few people) are jelous, people just get sick to death of you bringing it up at every oppertunity when everyone already knows

jasonp

Surely it comes down to which one you prefer, drive both and see what you like. Who gives a fuck about all the other bollox being talked about here, like touring cars and stuff blah blah blah.

I know my skyline was better for everything i wanted and didnt drop a bollock everytime you went over 30mph

Ginge !

not being funny rod but as you have said a few times theres more to life than cars


spunking 30k on a car ( prob alot more) would not make me jelous tbh, i wouild have bought a nicer looking car for that

please dont mention autronic too

Ginge !

oh and top respect for owning a cossie that drives to and from the event s though

cant fault that , my car has issues doing that