500bhp skyline v 500bhp cossie
18-05-2005, 12:03 PM
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I think Rods car is an awesome achievement 
and i dont get bored of reading about it, and if i did i could just scroll past it.
The one thing that is far more boring than Rod going on about it, is people going on about him going on about it.
and possibly the one thing more boring than people going on about him going on about it is me going on about people going on about Rod going on about it, so i'll quit now while im behind
and i dont get bored of reading about it, and if i did i could just scroll past it.The one thing that is far more boring than Rod going on about it, is people going on about him going on about it.
and possibly the one thing more boring than people going on about him going on about it is me going on about people going on about Rod going on about it, so i'll quit now while im behind
18-05-2005, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonp
Surely it comes down to which one you prefer, drive both and see what you like. Who gives a fuck about all the other bollox being talked about here, like touring cars and stuff blah blah blah.
EXACTLY
But on the other hand this is a Car Forum and I do think the entire point of its existence is to discuss cars and stuff.... and if we all agreed it would be pretty boring!
18-05-2005, 12:14 PM
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true lee, it is a car forum and should be just named "passionate" because i think sometimes people take things to heart i recon they dont sleep at night because of posts here 
18-05-2005, 12:15 PM
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i thought we where talking about 500 cos against 500bhp skyline.....
i say you will win from it.....george with his ELE did that long time ago...with a 2wd....
i say you will win from it.....george with his ELE did that long time ago...with a 2wd....
18-05-2005, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cam
I love Cossies and have had every model except a 2wd Saff but my biggest regret is not seeing the writing on the wall and shutting out what Skylines did to the RS500s way back when (hosed them bigstyle).
You can pick up a sorted 32 GTR with 500HP+ for around Ł12k, spares are abundant and reasonably priced contrary to popular folklore eg; a new bare Cosworth head casting is approx Ł1400 and a new GTR one is just under a grand.
A WELL MAINTAINED 500HP GTR IS AS RELIABLE AS A 330 STG3 COSSY.
Turn to the darkside!
I love both as well, BUT I wouldn't consider a Cossy for a road car.. Skylines are superior in everyway and are a very involving and fun car despite their size.
18-05-2005, 01:12 PM
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R33s are ugly busses 
. Give me an R32GTR any day - much prettier and more in line with my idea of what a car is about. An R33 is to Skylines what a 260z was compared to the 240 
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In fact Steve, you're building my ultimate Skyline (just get rid of that F&F rear wing
;cry: 
), shame the owner is a goon .
. Give me an R32GTR any day - much prettier and more in line with my idea of what a car is about. An R33 is to Skylines what a 260z was compared to the 240 .In fact Steve, you're building my ultimate Skyline (just get rid of that F&F rear wing
;cry: ), shame the owner is a goon .
18-05-2005, 01:17 PM
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Ive not got that spoiler anymore
Ive got a R34GTR one to go on it (as well as the Nismo rear lip one)
To be honest id prefer a proper drag one like this-
But frankly I dont know where you get them from
Ive got a R34GTR one to go on it
(as well as the Nismo rear lip one)To be honest id prefer a proper drag one like this-
But frankly I dont know where you get them from
18-05-2005, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Stirling
Sorry Steve that wing has to go...........I'ts more McDonalds car park than Elvington
But it has gone anyhow...
18-05-2005, 01:33 PM
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Well ive got a R34GTR std spoiler on there now plus the Nimso rear lip you see on them pics you just posted mike.
My point was tho that the other spoiler wasnt out of place or chav, for example, a few pics from FuJi Time Attack a few weeks ago, the top tuner track cars in japan...
My point was tho that the other spoiler wasnt out of place or chav, for example, a few pics from FuJi Time Attack a few weeks ago, the top tuner track cars in japan...
18-05-2005, 01:53 PM
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Mike, these are serious track cars, hence why they have no body mods barring front and rear end aerodynamic stuff, you ever heard of a thing called DOWNFORCE
And your still banging on about Gold wheels, so you cant give any style tips
And your still banging on about Gold wheels, so you cant give any style tips
18-05-2005, 01:59 PM
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So you're telling me that these have all been wind tunnel tested and proven to provide down-force or are they (more likely) cosmetic monstrosities pervaded by the tuning companies as aerodynamic aids (although they have no idea by how much ). I'm sure some of the DO work, but I bet even the ones that do, you couldn't say by exactly how much and what they did to the downforce .
). I'm sure some of the DO work, but I bet even the ones that do, you couldn't say by exactly how much and what they did to the downforce .
18-05-2005, 02:00 PM
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Steve, most of those spoilers in your pics dont look at all good IMO...
The best I've seen is the discrete one that you posted above - but even on that the spoiler END PLATES are wrong
Too many "square" edges that make it look home made.........
I bit better with rounded corners?????:
The best I've seen is the discrete one that you posted above - but even on that the spoiler END PLATES are wrong
Too many "square" edges that make it look home made.........I bit better with rounded corners?????:
18-05-2005, 02:02 PM
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Mike- what next, you gonna tell me all the almost identical wings that are on EVERY GT Racer in the fappin world was also for show? 
Belive me mike, your underestimating these people...
Belive me mike, your underestimating these people...
18-05-2005, 02:11 PM
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Steve,
I don't doubt that some of them do what they're supposed to do, but I am a sceptic regarding almost every aspect of tuning, and don't tend to believe things just because a) Everyone has them, b) They look good c) They cost shit loads of money . If you understood anything about aerodynamics, you would understand my scepticism, as the height, width, angle and design is absolutely crucial (and different from car to car ) to get a working wing. Bolting on an identical wing from a GT car that probably HAS been tested in a wind tunnel to an entirely DIFFERENT shape car, changes the characteristics of the wing completely and it may even provide lift instead of down force .
I don't doubt that some of them do what they're supposed to do, but I am a sceptic regarding almost every aspect of tuning, and don't tend to believe things just because a) Everyone has them, b) They look good c) They cost shit loads of money
. If you understood anything about aerodynamics, you would understand my scepticism, as the height, width, angle and design is absolutely crucial (and different from car to car ) to get a working wing. Bolting on an identical wing from a GT car that probably HAS been tested in a wind tunnel to an entirely DIFFERENT shape car, changes the characteristics of the wing completely and it may even provide lift instead of down force .
18-05-2005, 02:24 PM
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I dont know if you noticed mike, but them wings are all different, and belive me, you CANT buy those same wings off the shelf in Japan, we got 100s of Jap mags at work, you can buy similar wings, but not THOSE ones (most of the wings on the track cars actually are slightly wider than the car itself, unlike the road ones you see for sale), so its not for Sales reasons.
And if it was for looks reasons the cars would be all kitted up, but they not, they very minimalistic barring the front and rear aerodynamic parts...
And if it was for looks reasons the cars would be all kitted up, but they not, they very minimalistic barring the front and rear aerodynamic parts...
18-05-2005, 02:35 PM
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Okay, but I would still want the downforce figures before I accepted what you were saying . Just call me a doubting Thomas .
And the fact that they ARE all different is adding to my scepticism, as you would expect all the R32s to have something similar (or even the same) and all the R33s to have the same and all the R34s to have the same, as this would indicate to me that they had been tested and settled on a design known to work....
. Just call me a doubting Thomas .And the fact that they ARE all different is adding to my scepticism, as you would expect all the R32s to have something similar (or even the same) and all the R33s to have the same and all the R34s to have the same, as this would indicate to me that they had been tested and settled on a design known to work....
18-05-2005, 03:56 PM
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18-05-2005, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DanScoobySti
they do do them seen them on jap forum! i can see know that one isnt. I wont hijack thread but ill see if i can find a picture
Video of the BeeR version
http://andyf.me.uk/gtr/BeeR-R324.mpeg
18-05-2005, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Red16
rod get off your high horse about your car, you dont have 500 bhp
my fast cossie... yah dah yah dah yah dah!! 
but it just seems like everytime theres a thread on here about anything remotely quick you always have to say that its not as quick etc as your 200 n whatever mph cossie. Fair play its dead fast but keep it on topic a little please
18-05-2005, 05:13 PM
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if i had the first 200mph saff coz in the world, id be shoutin the fuka from the rooftops and tellin every fuka at every opportuntity, it amazes me how many people on here have a go at rod and his boasts i dont understand the car is and should be a legend, rod owns it, mark built it, we ALL should be proud of it and the fact thats it IS a saff is amazing, i think rod gets a hard time for no apparent reason??? i think you lot are jealous and are haters if the bloke who owns the fastest saff in the world wants to remind us of it then thats ok by me, i mean how many times are you reminded that a ferrari does 200mph or a mclaren does 240mph, only evertime theres anything said about it,
ROD , TELL ME AGAIN .....WHATS THE TOP SPEED OF YOUR CAR....?
i dont understand the car is and should be a legend, rod owns it, mark built it, we ALL should be proud of it and the fact thats it IS a saff is amazing, i think rod gets a hard time for no apparent reason??? i think you lot are jealous and are haters if the bloke who owns the fastest saff in the world wants to remind us of it then thats ok by me, i mean how many times are you reminded that a ferrari does 200mph or a mclaren does 240mph, only evertime theres anything said about it, ROD , TELL ME AGAIN .....WHATS THE TOP SPEED OF YOUR CAR....?
18-05-2005, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by the strut brace
ROD , TELL ME AGAIN .....CAN I SUCK YOUR COCK....?
Nah seriosuly, i get your point, but its NOT jelousy or hating, it just does your head in, esp as it 90% of the time have nothing to do with wat we talking about.
18-05-2005, 05:28 PM
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SO WHY DONT YOU JUST
Originally Posted by the strut brace
ROD , TELL ME AGAIN .....CAN I SUCK YOUR COCK....?
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SO WHY DONT YOU JUST
18-05-2005, 05:50 PM
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having a mid life crisis
Thought so
Not saying most have drove one or the other or have drove one spec of cossie or one spec skyline.
I meant how many have drove each with a genuine and veriable 500 bhp.
Not saying most have drove one or the other or have drove one spec of cossie or one spec skyline.
I meant how many have drove each with a genuine and veriable 500 bhp.
18-05-2005, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Stirling
Originally Posted by the strut brace
dont think a hyabusa can do a 9.6 1/4 mile at 161mph,people always throw the bikes into racing cars, tbh i think that bikes are the most overated things going, with the exception of the really really fast bikes , i have had loads and loads of races with bikes, i have several on video when goin-comin to the shows and i seriously do not think they are all that, a fast cozzycan quite easily stay with /beat your average bike, i have raced loads in my cozzy and once bikes seem to get over 70ish they are well within reach of fast cars, call it whatever you want bikelovers , not trying, etc etc etc but they were all flat on the tank and i was raggin the car withtin an inch of its life to do it,i would race a bike once movin and would certainly not be suprised to keep up with it or even beat it. and whats even better you dont look like an extra from the village people while your doin it,
and for the record i have my full bike license and have had it for 12yrs so i aint deluded or blinkered , just my experiance
and for the record i have my full bike license and have had it for 12yrs so i aint deluded or blinkered , just my experiance
I've had exactly the same experiance with EVERY bike that I have raced........trouble is, as soon as you mention it on here (PassionFord) quite a few blinkered bikers will post up that it could not possibly have happened the way I said......they wer'nt there at the time but they are convinced a 511 BHP Cossie it not fast enough (from 120 MPH onwards) to go racing bikes Even Rod (Tarry) said that a Cossie with 422 ft/LBS has "no torque" and would be out of i'ts depth trying to race fast bikes take one fast cossie and take one fast bike tuned to the same spec.
anyone that honestly thinks thier car is faster than a bike is mad. or comparing thier TUNED car to a bog standard 600 sports where quite often the only tuning that gets done is a can, filter and some mild jetting.
no way in hell youll ever keep up with a decent supersports... in the cossie. or ANY car for that matter.
(nb a car is going to be faster ROUND the bends. but the bike can go in faster and come out faster.)
eg off the top of my head.
zx12r (already modelled in this thread
)0-60 sub 3s
0-150 in the region of 9.5 seconds.
top whack of around 186 mph (limited)
now those figures are from memory and fairly old. off a standard bike.
thats maybe 8k worth of bike.
show me any 8k car that can do that?
show me any cars that can do that? i know there are a couple so take the money it cost to make a car beat that bike, and spend it on that bike
now were talking.ultimately the most important thing to remember tho is that you cant fall off a car (unless your being REALLY daft
)anyhoo rant over,
back on topic.......Whatre the power losses through a skylines gearbox with all its fancy trickery when compared to the cossies lump of good old cast iron?