500bhp skyline v 500bhp cossie
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17-05-2005, 06:05 PM
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cossy would be the faster one. but how many realy 500bhp cossy are there skyline has a better box in it. but fit a good gearbox to a cossy and you should see that binliner right of
17-05-2005, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ADUSR33
oh god not this chestnut again 
skylines are simply superior
skylines are simply superior
so a good 500bhp cossie is faster then a skyline....its not a shame for the skyline because its much heavier...
17-05-2005, 06:16 PM
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If someone knows the specs of these cars, might help
http://www.fordsport.org.uk/New/Vids...0@%20totb1.wmv
Cossie = Advantage on the bends.
Skyline = Advantage in a straight line.
http://www.fordsport.org.uk/New/Vids...0@%20totb1.wmv
Cossie = Advantage on the bends.
Skyline = Advantage in a straight line.
17-05-2005, 06:35 PM
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Madmac, you think a cossy has an advantage against a skyline in the corners
The cossy would have to have some seriously trick suspension setup to stick with a YAW'd skyline
The cossy would have to have some seriously trick suspension setup to stick with a YAW'd skyline
17-05-2005, 07:02 PM
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Who cares!
A hyabusa would be faster than both in standard factory spec lol
A hyabusa would be faster than both in standard factory spec lol
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17-05-2005, 07:06 PM
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i went round ther nurburgring with rob wiles in his rs500 [ 515 bhp ] a few years back he was on konis. we raced bob moore in his r34 sky line, bob wasnt driving a lad called wayne was and he could drive really well. bobs car was about 600 bhp then and rob caught him and passed him and then pulled quite a gap on him so make what you will of it but the cosworth was quicker than the skyline that day. 
17-05-2005, 07:11 PM
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dont think a hyabusa can do a 9.6 1/4 mile at 161mph,people always throw the bikes into racing cars, tbh i think that bikes are the most overated things going, with the exception of the really really fast bikes , i have had loads and loads of races with bikes, i have several on video when goin-comin to the shows and i seriously do not think they are all that, a fast cozzycan quite easily stay with /beat your average bike, i have raced loads in my cozzy and once bikes seem to get over 70ish they are well within reach of fast cars, call it whatever you want bikelovers , not trying, etc etc etc but they were all flat on the tank and i was raggin the car withtin an inch of its life to do it,i would race a bike once movin and would certainly not be suprised to keep up with it or even beat it. and whats even better you dont look like an extra from the village people while your doin it,
and for the record i have my full bike license and have had it for 12yrs so i aint deluded or blinkered , just my experiance
and for the record i have my full bike license and have had it for 12yrs so i aint deluded or blinkered , just my experiance
17-05-2005, 07:53 PM
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FPMSL@ "cossies have an advantage in the bends" Tell that to the RS500s in the Aussie and Asian Touring Car Championchips from 1990 on
In all honesty youd expect a 500bhp Cossie to out accelerate it due to weighing roughly 250kg less (tho early R32GTRs weigh same if not less than late EscCossies...), but TOTB1 results seem to say different...
Heres a quote from summer 2002, mere days after the very first TOTB...
Tell that to the RS500s in the Aussie and Asian Touring Car Championchips from 1990 on In all honesty youd expect a 500bhp Cossie to out accelerate it due to weighing roughly 250kg less (tho early R32GTRs weigh same if not less than late EscCossies...), but TOTB1 results seem to say different...
Heres a quote from summer 2002, mere days after the very first TOTB...
Two 3 door rear wheel drive RS's:
Andy Wornell 126mph at 500m
Rob Wiles 123mph at 500m
Both with claimed 500+bhp on the website.
Pick a few of our GTRs at 500m:
Andy Barnes 130mph (550bhp est)
Glen H 127mph (540+bhp)
Mike Smith 126mph (515bhp)
The GTRs also pulled higher 1.25mile times, so in conclusion:
The GTRs were better off the line.
The GTRs were travelling faster at 500m (ie were not being caught)
The GTRs were travelling much faster at 1.25miles.
So if the 500+bhp Cossies are slower than the GTRs, how is a 420bhp Cossie ever going to keep up?
I use the speed at 500m, since that is a determinant of rate of acceleration from meaningful speeds ie 30mph+. The traction really only has an effect on the ET (elapsed time), hence why I ignored the times.
Again I'm not putting the Cossies down, but your comments about needing 700bhp in a GTR are just plain wrong, even Ronnie doesn't have 700bhp!
Andy Wornell 126mph at 500m
Rob Wiles 123mph at 500m
Both with claimed 500+bhp on the website.
Pick a few of our GTRs at 500m:
Andy Barnes 130mph (550bhp est)
Glen H 127mph (540+bhp)
Mike Smith 126mph (515bhp)
The GTRs also pulled higher 1.25mile times, so in conclusion:
The GTRs were better off the line.
The GTRs were travelling faster at 500m (ie were not being caught)
The GTRs were travelling much faster at 1.25miles.
So if the 500+bhp Cossies are slower than the GTRs, how is a 420bhp Cossie ever going to keep up?
I use the speed at 500m, since that is a determinant of rate of acceleration from meaningful speeds ie 30mph+. The traction really only has an effect on the ET (elapsed time), hence why I ignored the times.
Again I'm not putting the Cossies down, but your comments about needing 700bhp in a GTR are just plain wrong, even Ronnie doesn't have 700bhp!
17-05-2005, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsmeagain
FPMSL@ "cossies have an advantage in the bends" Tell that to the RS500s in the Aussie and Asian Touring Car Championchips from 1990 on
Tell that to the RS500s in the Aussie and Asian Touring Car Championchips from 1990 on Lots of Skyline experts who have never driven one on here.
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17-05-2005, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsmeagain
FPMSL@ "cossies have an advantage in the bends" Tell that to the RS500s in the Aussie and Asian Touring Car Championchips from 1990 on
Tell that to the RS500s in the Aussie and Asian Touring Car Championchips from 1990 on 
Besides its hardly fair to compaire a 2.0 Cossie turbo to the RB26DETT - Inline-6 Turbo engine now is it? I mean the skyline will more than likely produce far more torque than the cossie and was all know torque is just as important as BHP for acceleration.
17-05-2005, 08:52 PM
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Don't care which is quicker. I find both cars awesome and have upmost respect for both.
Put a bad driver in a quick car and an excellent driver in a slower car who will be quicker?
Put a bad driver in a quick car and an excellent driver in a slower car who will be quicker?
17-05-2005, 08:55 PM
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Put a bad driver in a quick car and an excellent driver in a slower car who will be quicker?
17-05-2005, 09:01 PM
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not 500bhp i know,but last year i owned a 350bhp sapphire cosworth 2wd and a 350 bhp r32gtr at the same time and the cosworth was considerably quicker once moving.
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17-05-2005, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by the strut brace
dont think a hyabusa can do a 9.6 1/4 mile at 161mph,people always throw the bikes into racing cars, tbh i think that bikes are the most overated things going, with the exception of the really really fast bikes , i have had loads and loads of races with bikes, i have several on video when goin-comin to the shows and i seriously do not think they are all that, a fast cozzycan quite easily stay with /beat your average bike, i have raced loads in my cozzy and once bikes seem to get over 70ish they are well within reach of fast cars, call it whatever you want bikelovers , not trying, etc etc etc but they were all flat on the tank and i was raggin the car withtin an inch of its life to do it,i would race a bike once movin and would certainly not be suprised to keep up with it or even beat it. and whats even better you dont look like an extra from the village people while your doin it,
and for the record i have my full bike license and have had it for 12yrs so i aint deluded or blinkered , just my experiance
and for the record i have my full bike license and have had it for 12yrs so i aint deluded or blinkered , just my experiance
I've had exactly the same experiance with EVERY bike that I have raced........trouble is, as soon as you mention it on here (PassionFord) quite a few blinkered bikers will post up that it could not possibly have happened the way I said......they wer'nt there at the time but they are convinced a 511 BHP Cossie it not fast enough (from 120 MPH onwards) to go racing bikes Even Rod (Tarry) said that a Cossie with 422 ft/LBS has "no torque" and would be out of i'ts depth trying to race fast bikes
17-05-2005, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Oranoco
Put a bad driver in a quick car and an excellent driver in a slower car who will be quicker?
17-05-2005, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu.H
Originally Posted by Oranoco
Put a bad driver in a quick car and an excellent driver in a slower car who will be quicker?
17-05-2005, 09:20 PM
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It would not be fair to compare those to cars, the one have a 2L turbocharged 4-cylinder enginde and RWD, and the other have an 2,6L 6 cylinder twinturbo engine and AWD....
It`s pretty clear that the skyline is better on teh quartermile cause off the better torgue and grip...
But i have driven a real 540bhp skyline and an real 490bhp rwd cossie, and i must say, that the cossie did go better then the skyline...
The skyline did go 11,87 on the quarter and the cossie 12,1sek but the cossie made 200m off wheelspind....
Why is it that an skyline with app. 700bhp goes the same time on the quartetmile then an 550bhp esccos?
It`s pretty clear that the skyline is better on teh quartermile cause off the better torgue and grip...
But i have driven a real 540bhp skyline and an real 490bhp rwd cossie, and i must say, that the cossie did go better then the skyline...
The skyline did go 11,87 on the quarter and the cossie 12,1sek but the cossie made 200m off wheelspind....
Why is it that an skyline with app. 700bhp goes the same time on the quartetmile then an 550bhp esccos?
17-05-2005, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MadMac
Besides its hardly fair to compaire a 2.0 Cossie turbo to the RB26DETT - Inline-6 Turbo engine now is it? I mean the skyline will more than likely produce far more torque than the cossie and was all know torque is just as important as BHP for acceleration.
They generally kick out huge BHP but not much else, bhp for bhp cossies genrally have FAR more torque...
Apart from mine, which WILL have humungous amounts of torque, as will Cams off heres R34 too it seems
17-05-2005, 09:58 PM
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skylines are 2.6 and has 2 cylinders more and so on add the same to a cossy ie cylinders and 2.6 and see the results i think most sky liners binliners are just plane simple you got to spend Ł20.000 to get it to go any were would rather spend Ł10.000 on a cossy engine and make more power
17-05-2005, 09:58 PM
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a fast cozzycan quite easily stay with /beat your average bike, i have raced loads in my cozzy and once bikes seem to get over 70ish they are well within reach of fast cars, call it whatever you want bikelovers , not trying, etc etc etc but they were all flat on the tank and i was raggin the car withtin an inch of its life to do it,i would race a bike once movin and would certainly not be suprised to keep up with it or even beat it.
a fast cozzycan quite easily stay with /beat your average bike, i have raced loads in my cozzy and once bikes seem to get over 70ish they are well within reach of fast cars, call it whatever you want bikelovers , not trying, etc etc etc but they were all flat on the tank and i was raggin the car withtin an inch of its life to do it,i would race a bike once movin and would certainly not be suprised to keep up with it or even beat it.
what a load of horse -if you fancy your chances with your stage 3 then ill race ya on my bike !!!
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17-05-2005, 09:59 PM
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and what is your bike 
would that be the zx12r, read my post again then, it says except the really really fast bikes does it not??? it does..... so either you dont class your bike as really really fast, cant read or you are just blind obviously a stg 3 cos wont keep up with that thing, never implied it would did i???
would that be the zx12r, read my post again then, it says except the really really fast bikes does it not??? it does..... so either you dont class your bike as really really fast, cant read or you are just blind obviously a stg 3 cos wont keep up with that thing, never implied it would did i???
