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PML @ Stu.H 'Chocolate Pistons'

WheI saw a pic on here a little while ago that said something about that lol.

the strut brace

fagin, yes, i'll pick you up on facts , no problem at all clever shite READ HIS POST, i never mentioned std , no,he says an older type wrx, NOT any of the above models, as he hasnt mentioned any thing about being modified, clearly he is asking about a std wrx,never asked for advice on a modified car did he? otherwise how could you comment on an imaginary car with imaginary mods, you cant , you can only comment on a imaginary std car where the performance figures are std and known. this is what my opinion was based on......wait for it........what car did he ask for.....drum roll......

A STD OLDER STYLE WRX, which is shite from 3rd, and you are just being paedantic by saying about the other lot you listed. you saying a std 2000 scooby and any std cozzy are the same from 3rd is balls, coz is 2wd, has higher top speed,and accelerate faster so how can they be slower??? they aint and i think youre just being awkward and want ima's children, well you cant have them coz they are mine and he is training me up to his std of annoyingness

Andy f

I live in Aberdeen and there must be at least a 500 to 1 ratio of scoobys to cossies here, at least 5 in my work car park alone. They are a bit to common for my liking but for the money they are a good car as i dont know of any Ford that has been produced in the last few years with 4wd and the power. You can get a new STI for 22k which must be a bit of a bargain if you have the cash but to be honest, I would have a evo if I had the choice as they are a bit rarer and stronger.

Physio

Would'nt everyone

Azrael

My Escos put many STI owners to shame. But at the same time I can go in their STi's even faster. I still like the Cossie even though it's very much like vintage sports car.

Anyway back in 1994 Impreza was shite compared to Cossie, things changed much.

And you can buy parts for Subaru, even for old ones. Try that with Cossies :-(

XR2iT

Guess what my runabout and tow car is? UK turbo impreza wagon. for a to b stuff it is great. Doesn't handle as well as my old Alpina but then what does? It certainly has less understeer than the 4wd Saph I drove. It handles bumps and wet roads well and is even OK in the snow. They are NOT expensive to buy. Servicing is about Ł400 a year and if untouched are very reliable. Take on a modded one at your peril! I find the wagon very practical. I can get a lot of stuff in their and I even slept in it one time when I had an early start when marshalling. I really wish Ford had built the escort Cossy to the same concept as the Subaru impreza ie not a lardy luxury model. I would have bought one.
As for the drivers... Drivers of of all performance cars are pretty much the same. don't judge impreza drivers by scoobynet BTW. Half the people on there don't own Scoobs.

Anonymous

The smart money in the "5 grand rally slag" market goes on a celica GT4

Mr Brannen

He He you tell him Strut

Mr Brannen

DanScoobySti

mmmmm cough splutter, impreza stole the cossies rally crown cough splutter

DanScoobySti

i'll get me coat

R4N SS

iTrader: (6)

my mate bought a WRX y reg (new shape) and it is completely standard. I was impressed with its overall pacakge compared to when i drove a standard 4x4 saff.

Still rather have the cossie tho

ScoTTyBEEE

From this:



To this:





Now the Scooby was a WRX type RA (lightweight, close ratio geared for acceleration) running 282 bhp, 267lbs/ft of torque and went like stink. The cossy when I first got it was 288bhp and similar torque although it's stage 3 so must have had a problem. When I replaced the diff it felt must faster, more like the 330bhp it should be.

Now as far as comparisons go the acceleration of the scooby from 0 to 30 was mind blowing due to the 4 wheel drive, but when the cossy gets the power down i.e 20+ it feels MUCH quicker, pulls alot harder for alot longer. Motorway driving the cossy will leave a scooby for dead, I don't have much trouble out accelerating porsches for christ sake!!

Handling scooby is superior but only because the car feels alot safer to push harder, due to the cossy being 2wd I don't push it like I'm sure I could, due to fear of death!! (the whole point in buying it ) But still there is no way the cossy could handle like the scooby, I just can't see it.

The scooby is a very rewarding car because it is extremelly forgiving and very easy to drive quickly. It's simply a case of point, put foot down and let the car sort it out. The cossy you have to DRIVE, completely different cup of tea.

The scooby only had 2 pot brakes but with black diamond discs and red stuff pads felt alot better than the standard brakes and pads I have on the cos....but I have new discs and pads to sort that out.

Scott.

DanScoobySti

seriously in an unbiased view

imprezas arent the fastest thing in a straight line, their weight and 4wd make them slow past 100. They are not slow in 3rd gear. I own one a my04 sti with the prodrive pack and its not slow (this IS a standard car). Where they stand apart (evo's included) is going round corners. Anybody who thinks their cosworth can keep up with an modern sti or evo is deludeding themselves on a b-road (with identical drivers). These things are designed to go round corners people. thats all they do, and they have a 10yr technology advance compared to the cosworth

Its true that subaru went softer with the new sti, the weight is signicantly up, but so is the comfort and the safety. It is understeery, but in the same way the new elise is "understeery". Chaneg the suspension settings from "soft and safe" factory settings to the prodrive ones and the car does not understeer.

Mitsibushi attacked at a different angle, while subaru appealed to the masses, they hardened their car (2.0 turns lock to lock) but sacrificed comfort. Every road report has said that the evo is the faster car, but the scooby is the one they'd like to drive more of the time.

Dont get me wrong i love the cosworth, i sat in an escort cosworth when i was 12, fell in love, still want one to this day.

Scoobys are common, but thats because a) theyre cheap to buy (not cheap to run though) b) cos they bloody good and c) if you dont buy a molested one, are mechanically sympathetic, they dont go wrong

Beach

My mate had one, all it did was blow up

He did give it death at all times thow

churchy

Jus goes to show how good the cossie is if a 20 year old 80's sierra is getting compared to new Scooby's/Evo's.

Wonder what will be around in another 20 years

Oranoco

Can't see many Scoobies being hankered after and premiums paid for them when they are nearing 20 years of age

I can appreciate them for being fast, great handlers but I just can't like them. They carry all the soul of a toaster.

the strut brace

yet again, i am refering to the older style wrx when i say they are shite from 3rd yours is a different car altoghether aint it? yours is shite from 2nd joke mate joke

Moose 130

I had the use of a P1 for a couple of months.

Nice and quick

Traction was unreal, bit noisey (must be getting old) but I did find it uncomfortable. Thought the seats were too narrow across the shoulders.

Other than that I can't fault them.

Did look at a 97/P estate Impreza, Ł4k - thought it was cheap!

Oranoco

Due to th every large numbers of them around the resale prices can be a bit pants. On the plus side it does make it a buyers market and a nicely specced car can be had for a sum that should have you wearing a Dick Turpin mask.

From the experiences with my friends cars though don't break them. One of my friends is on his 4th engine now When he melted it the whole thing seemed to just chew itself into little bits.

Rich_w

Evos are for people that cant drive remember. All those trick AYC and funky diffs. Just keep your foot in and it will sort itself out. Just like GTRs

Scoobys are for people that can get themselves out of trouble

Filthy Rich

Nearly fell of ma chair there Strut

You must have your NVQ level 3 now?

rb5371

iTrader: (4)

this is scoob no.2 was 340bhp



to this


i sold the scoob and bought the escos because i have always wanted one and really thought i was goin to be dissapointed but it was something i needed to get out of my system.
and as some one on here told me once you drive a good escos you will never look at the scoob the same way again so theres my unbiased view as i have owned and loved both but will be sticking with the esc.

the strut brace

is that scooby up hexham in northumberland now, i have seen it loads nice car

rb5371

iTrader: (4)

it dont look like that anymore i took all the mods off before i sold it.
it was the only way to get sensible money for it bought for 14k 8 months later i could not make 10 of it

endeed up with 4k for the mods and 8k for the car.

Fagin

Strut Brace,
You really are a fact lacking bellend arnt you!!!

Would you care to do some foooking research instead of spouting a load of dribble, concerning something you clearly have no idea what your on about!

I was banking on the fact that your would conceed and not post again, but since you really want me to open a can of whup ass on you:

Forget the fact that the "Older Type WRX" is even QUICKER than these figures (as the MINIMUM ps was 240ps for the very first ones).

Official figures by Prodrive for 2000 Turbo UK Scooby.
0-60 5.5 secs
1/4 14.24 secs

Now since I have the official Sierra figures here, I wont embarress you by putting them up...... but please be my guest and YOU put them up!!!

I also have the ingear times if you want to compare that as well.

I will ask you ONE MORE TIME.... are you ALSO saying that the Seirra is just as shit from 3rd gear, as the figures are pretty comparative!





**I cant wait for the reply**

the strut brace

i'll excuse the insults as you are bitter about getting rid of your proper car and buying the pill you have, you have to take it out on someone i suppose quote all the shite you want, in the real world the figure dont relate to real life, as in what happens when you come up against one on the road, the scooby has as much in common with those times you put up as my volvo estate i'll say again the ''top gear mag'' quoters cant honestly say that the times are real life because cozzys beat scoobys time and time and time again, do you have a pink badge on your car i really find it impossible to remember anyone i know and i mean anyone who has a cozzy and has been beat of a scooby. regardless of whatever figures you anoraks quote

james_birch

a what forum?!

Moose 130

I think the original question was ' do I sell a S1 and get a Subaru?'

HELL YES!!!!! (just don't get a modified one!)

ERST's can be fast, but at the end of the day they will never be that quick, they are stepping stones to greater things.

It was never a question of Cosworth vs Subaru.

Oranoco

I could have a Subaru or a Cossie instead of my RST. I don't want one

I love Cossie's and would without any hesitation take one over a Subaru or anything else Japanese. I like my RS Turbo, I'm happy with it and won't be changing it. We were contemplating a Saph Cossie for the missus now we are getting rid of the A4. But the RS Turbo won us over again and we shall be getting a 2nd one. There are more things to life than the Cosworth badge and not all of us are just using them as a stepping stone

wildheart

iTrader: (4)

Some subarus are rather nice,still wouldnt own one though

Rather have an Evo

EIL132

Mate had a clean low miles WRX and couldn't sell it for love nor money. Only owned it for 6 months before getting bored. Eventually he dropped the price Ł1500 to get rid of it. Dont pay what people are asking, they ain't selling

Fagin

Just to make it clear my point was never about how bad cossies are and how good scoobs are.... that is pointless and futile and I have owned both and love both. They are both excellent cars...... FFS if I thought Scoobs were that excellent I wouldnt of wanked over Ł47k + modification costs on Cossies since 1998 would I.

Just gets under my skin when people speak absolute out and out dribble.

Strut Brace,
Of course your so right. Because everyone you know has beaten all the scoobs they have come up against, must mean that I am speaking bullshit........ get real!!!

I now bow down to your superior knowledge and will never try to have a play with a Cossie for the fear of meeting one of your mates and getting caned.

Funny isnt it.... but in your so mentioned REAL LIFE situations, my present Scoob would kill my old 500bhp RS500 in real world driving.

the strut brace

glad you have seen the light, now........bow down bitch

ESCYSCOTT

iTrader: (1)

PMSL @ Strut, fookin quality...........you are slowly becoming the love child of IMA!!!

christianh3

on my 4th scooby and had 3 cossies previous.

imo, scoobies are better for day to day driving and reliability, are fast, sound great.
cossies are not as well built or dont seem to be as looked after, hold values better, are more fun especially rwd cossies.

but my integrale mould whoop both of them upto 100mph and in the twisties

DanScoobySti

lol. I still have my erst (180bhp) and it still tickles me pink when i drive it.

RichardPON

I'm not sure I'd have anything but an RA or P1.

Unfortunately, the pre-MY96 cars have become the new saff cossie.

Cheap, cheerful, mostly knacked old cars.

DanScoobySti

at the end of the day i dont think we buy these cars, whether they be an rst, cosworth, evo, impreza etc for just the "mines bigger then yours" talk, we buy them for the fact that your buying an image and a community/brotherhood. It is just a shame that most impreza owners think that there car is by far the best and is faster then everything else on the planet.....


lucky im not one of those

Rich_w

I tell you what. Dont buy an Impreza or a Cossie.

Buy Shonky's car instead

https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119038