The RST in performance Ford mag this month
11-05-2005, 10:46 AM
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Ok then
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The RST in performance Ford mag this month
Do you see the car making 258 @ the flywheel with these mods.
Chip
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Magnex
K+N cone filter
Pro alloy cooler
The rest of the engine hasnt been touched and it makes 210 bhp/227 lb/ft torque using 18psi boost
Now its has been fitted with a jamsport head and a piper 285T2 cam.
It now makes 258 bhp/226 lb/ft torque at 17psi.
258bhp on a standard engine and turbo
What do you think about this
Chip
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Magnex
K+N cone filter
Pro alloy cooler
The rest of the engine hasnt been touched and it makes 210 bhp/227 lb/ft torque using 18psi boost
Now its has been fitted with a jamsport head and a piper 285T2 cam.
It now makes 258 bhp/226 lb/ft torque at 17psi.
258bhp on a standard engine and turbo
What do you think about this
11-05-2005, 11:01 AM
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Ok then
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Chip + actuator - 400
Magnex - 280
K+N cone filter 60
Pro alloy cooler - 400
Jamsport head - 470
Piper 285 T2 cam - 250
Total - 1860
Plus a wee bit of labour and you have a 258bhp RS Turbo
This cant be right can it
Magnex - 280
K+N cone filter 60
Pro alloy cooler - 400
Jamsport head - 470
Piper 285 T2 cam - 250
Total - 1860
Plus a wee bit of labour and you have a 258bhp RS Turbo
This cant be right can it
11-05-2005, 11:05 AM
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I've been thinking exactly the same thing as this as well!
Having just spent thousands on my car I'd been annoyed if I only needed to spend Ł1800 to get more power!
Cheers,
Andy
Having just spent thousands on my car I'd been annoyed if I only needed to spend Ł1800 to get more power!
Cheers,
Andy
11-05-2005, 11:06 AM
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i smell something 
defo over reading rollers my 1.7 on cossie management, greens, t34, race head and cam and pace front mount never made more than 235bhp it it cost me loads more than 1850
defo over reading rollers my 1.7 on cossie management, greens, t34, race head and cam and pace front mount never made more than 235bhp it it cost me loads more than 1850
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11-05-2005, 11:09 AM
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210 isa perfectly acceptable figure for
Chip
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ManchesterMike's has made just 200hp with similar spec and a slipping clutch and 16psi, i could easily take that car to 210 with a little more boost - but - the std
turbo is being worked very hard, and will have a shortened life.
With a proper head and cam, if setup 258 is a again a realistic figure from a good std engine - IF it's on a bigger turbo, as the std defo wont make that.
Chip
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ManchesterMike's has made just 200hp with similar spec and a slipping clutch and 16psi, i could easily take that car to 210 with a little more boost - but - the std
turbo is being worked very hard, and will have a shortened life.
With a proper head and cam, if setup 258 is a again a realistic figure from a good std engine - IF it's on a bigger turbo, as the std defo wont make that.
11-05-2005, 11:20 AM
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i had 225 @ the fly with 20psi
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k&n
mongoose
stage 2 turbo
stage 2 head
piper 285 t2 cam
low comp bottom end
grs front mount (with co2 cooler)
so id say it was an optimistic figure
-31 actuator
k&n
mongoose
stage 2 turbo
stage 2 head
piper 285 t2 cam
low comp bottom end
grs front mount (with co2 cooler)
so id say it was an optimistic figure
11-05-2005, 11:24 AM
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The air filter is going to make very little difference.
A low comp bottom end actually loses you power
As for fuel, that figure is certainly attainable without a 5th inj, but she'll be a rich throough the rev range. Who's rollers where they, and is there a wheel figure?
A low comp bottom end actually loses you power
As for fuel, that figure is certainly attainable without a 5th inj, but she'll be a rich throough the rev range. Who's rollers where they, and is there a wheel figure?
11-05-2005, 11:30 AM
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Ok then
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So for the mods that have been done it makes 258 @ the flywheel and ive done all of this and i make 240 @ the flywheel.
It cant be right
1618cc CVH, stage 2 big valve head (ported and polished), newman cam, solid lifters, piper vernier, wire ringed block, lowered compression, ARP conrod Bolts, heavy duty bearings, high pressure oil pump, AVA ecu, AVA modified fuel system, AVA high flow tubular manifold, T28 turbo, 360 bearing, reshaped front pipe, AVA Large capacity intercooler, samco water and boost hoses, magnecor leads, magnex exhaust, modified airbox, AP 4 paddle clutch.
It cant be right
It cant be right
1618cc CVH, stage 2 big valve head (ported and polished), newman cam, solid lifters, piper vernier, wire ringed block, lowered compression, ARP conrod Bolts, heavy duty bearings, high pressure oil pump, AVA ecu, AVA modified fuel system, AVA high flow tubular manifold, T28 turbo, 360 bearing, reshaped front pipe, AVA Large capacity intercooler, samco water and boost hoses, magnecor leads, magnex exhaust, modified airbox, AP 4 paddle clutch.
It cant be right
11-05-2005, 11:36 AM
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By lowering the Compression you will lose power. However, lowering the compression will allow you to run more boost.
The same engine at the same boost will make less power once the compression is lowered, but can run more boost, which will allow more power!!
The same engine at the same boost will make less power once the compression is lowered, but can run more boost, which will allow more power!!
11-05-2005, 11:36 AM
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T28 - thing with your engine, is that a lot of it is for reliability.
If u look at ur spec, u could write it as:
Stage 2 head + cam
AVA manifold
T28 turbo
Large intercooler
Nothing else on it is helping the engine to make any sort of extre power. The T28 turbo is a v nice unit, but swap it for a stage t3 and u'll see more power.
All the power in a CVH is locked in the head. There are lots of modded ones out there, but they vary greatly in quality.
If u look at ur spec, u could write it as:
Stage 2 head + cam
AVA manifold
T28 turbo
Large intercooler
Nothing else on it is helping the engine to make any sort of extre power. The T28 turbo is a v nice unit, but swap it for a stage t3 and u'll see more power.
All the power in a CVH is locked in the head. There are lots of modded ones out there, but they vary greatly in quality.
11-05-2005, 11:46 AM
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This was PF Nicks car.
We lied about the figures coz we knew it was going to be in the mags..LOL (lots of sarcasm)
Thats what we did.
DRAIN
Why cant it make that power???
Always quick to say rollers over reading and comparing your own stats to that......
What would be the point of lying to the customer and faking results, especially when the results are going to be in the mag and 80,000 rs lovers are going to read it, many with plenty of knowledge themselves so will have half an ounce of a clue as to whether this is possible or not.
Those were the results, and to be honest we were a little sceptical when it did it.
lets say this too, even IF the rollers are reading out, (which they arent) we did a test before and after the head swap so the increase from standard was using the same rollers at the same time so the increase would still be comparable to the initial std results.
We lied about the figures coz we knew it was going to be in the mags..LOL (lots of sarcasm)
Thats what we did.
DRAINWhy cant it make that power???
Always quick to say rollers over reading and comparing your own stats to that......
What would be the point of lying to the customer and faking results, especially when the results are going to be in the mag and 80,000 rs lovers are going to read it, many with plenty of knowledge themselves so will have half an ounce of a clue as to whether this is possible or not.
Those were the results, and to be honest we were a little sceptical when it did it.
lets say this too, even IF the rollers are reading out, (which they arent) we did a test before and after the head swap so the increase from standard was using the same rollers at the same time so the increase would still be comparable to the initial std results.
11-05-2005, 11:48 AM
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So will you see a 48 bhp increase from a head and a T2 cam
11-05-2005, 11:52 AM
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Dan, I speak for myself here.
I aren't doubting Jamsports Rollers or Nicks Car on a personal level. However, there just isn't any way that an RST will make that power on a Standard Turbo.
Its like someone coming on here suggesting they have just seen 500bhp on 4 Greens from their Cossie. It just cant happen.
I wouldn't mind seeing the graph, not to stir the shit, but because I am genuinely interested. Is it in the mag?
Rick - PMSL. Yeah, a few years later and we are still banging our heads against the wall!!
I aren't doubting Jamsports Rollers or Nicks Car on a personal level. However, there just isn't any way that an RST will make that power on a Standard Turbo.
Its like someone coming on here suggesting they have just seen 500bhp on 4 Greens from their Cossie. It just cant happen.
I wouldn't mind seeing the graph, not to stir the shit, but because I am genuinely interested. Is it in the mag?
Rick - PMSL. Yeah, a few years later and we are still banging our heads against the wall!!
11-05-2005, 12:01 PM
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The graphs are in the mag I think.
It was very bizzare and we were a little shocked ourselves however it did what it did and Jamie and Nick were happy with the results.
I can see this thread going on and on about possibilities, however like I said irrelavent of the peak power, the important thing was to show a power increase from the std setup using the rollers to show this.
So even if the car had gone onto the rollers and they were massively over reading and it read 200 bhp STD..LOL If it made 255 with just a head and cam kit then you can still see the fact the head and cam has made a power increase.
What you also have to bear in mind is the car is running a HIGHLY efficiant pro Alloy BIG front mount Cooler which will be adding greatly to the peak power.
It was very bizzare and we were a little shocked ourselves however it did what it did and Jamie and Nick were happy with the results.
I can see this thread going on and on about possibilities, however like I said irrelavent of the peak power, the important thing was to show a power increase from the std setup using the rollers to show this.
So even if the car had gone onto the rollers and they were massively over reading and it read 200 bhp STD..LOL If it made 255 with just a head and cam kit then you can still see the fact the head and cam has made a power increase.
What you also have to bear in mind is the car is running a HIGHLY efficiant pro Alloy BIG front mount Cooler which will be adding greatly to the peak power.
11-05-2005, 12:01 PM
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If the potential difference is that great, then I can't wait to fit my Custom Head and Cam. It is head and shoulders above the Vulcan head that preceeded it!
Not difficult..... I think u'll be needing some bigger injectors
11-05-2005, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JAMSPORT DAN
What would be the point of lying to the customer and faking results,
Its always interested me how someone has work done at a company, has it roaded and gets a figure.
THen goes to an independant who didnt do the work and ends up getting a lot less.
hmmm
11-05-2005, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick
If the potential difference is that great, then I can't wait to fit my Custom Head and Cam. It is head and shoulders above the Vulcan head that preceeded it!
Not difficult..... I think u'll be needing some bigger injectors
11-05-2005, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Phat_focus
Originally Posted by JAMSPORT DAN
What would be the point of lying to the customer and faking results,
Its always interested me how someone has work done at a company, has it roaded and gets a figure.
THen goes to an independant who didnt do the work and ends up getting a lot less.
hmmm
I am thinking more towards what I said above. Maybe there is more to this car than meets the eye. After all, it could make that power on MFi and without stripping the engine how does anyone know whether the C/R has been lowered. Also, the Turbo is a little difficult to pinpoint without going out of your way to check.