Smith and Jones bottom end price
02-12-2017, 08:05 PM
#121
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I will not venture above 500 without arrow crank, rods, 10 long studs, pocketed Pistons, cams, head work and a very good oil system and breather.
02-12-2017, 09:11 PM
#122
PassionFord Post Troll
Will make for a good daddy thrash like old times when all these monsters get built lets avit
03-12-2017, 08:47 AM
#123
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That really would be good fun, get some timing gear on the cars and see what they could do. I really want to try one full bore launch, 5000 rpm and step off the clutch and see what it does....I haven't done it so far as I don't want to break anything but it's got to be done once.
03-12-2017, 09:10 AM
#124
Advanced PassionFord User
700 on standard rods? We know cossie Dave's crank let go at that, I am sure the rods would not be safe at 700 and 8000 rpm.
I will not venture above 500 without arrow crank, rods, 10 long studs, pocketed Pistons, cams, head work and a very good oil system and breather.
I will not venture above 500 without arrow crank, rods, 10 long studs, pocketed Pistons, cams, head work and a very good oil system and breather.
The rods are strong enough for 700hp and 8k.
I wouldnt say for a lifetime but they will hold up if the engine is built correctly
Cheers Paul
03-12-2017, 10:09 AM
#125
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
The stresses under load on a rod is so high that the estimated lifetime (number of cycles before failure) drops exponentially.
Last edited by nixon_2wd; 03-12-2017 at 10:12 AM.
03-12-2017, 10:12 AM
#126
cossie fan (unluckerly)
I broke a standard rod or the piston gave in it’s hard to tell there both beat to death lol with 500 ish bhp. I guess it’s the luck of the draw. Problem is these parts are not cheap so it’s best to take the risk away
03-12-2017, 10:31 AM
#127
Advanced PassionFord User
But I know who has.
Rods could fail at 1000k or 10,000k but they are strong enough
Cheers Paul
03-12-2017, 10:34 AM
#128
Advanced PassionFord User
Cheers Paul
04-12-2017, 02:48 PM
#130
I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
Does cost prices crazy now im no builder mate just done my home work and made a few mistakes along the way buying shit and learned the expensive way lol i leave the specs to the pro's and go with what im advised im sure others do things different ways and get results they want but paying out so much will be done once for me i wont be risking it and will play safe how long did your 600 hp last and if it failed what failed? Midlands i am too been around a long time what cars were these maybe seen them
Edited as im a blind cunt and just looked at your sig links lol just back from 10hr drive awesome motor that mk2
Edited as im a blind cunt and just looked at your sig links lol just back from 10hr drive awesome motor that mk2
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04-12-2017, 03:44 PM
#131
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I would map a engine to that if I was asked but I would make the owner aware of my view.
Mark
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04-12-2017, 07:05 PM
#132
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Out of curiosity mark if the standard rods where new would you think they would be strong enough for 700bhp if the rpm was sensible? I wouldn't do it personally as I know the longer rods are better but cool to hear the standard ones where so well engineered.
04-12-2017, 07:53 PM
#133
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Mark
17-04-2019, 03:03 PM
#134
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It's hard to see where the market is for this.
It's for those who want a Ford...Cossie...all singing and dancing engine...except it is neither of those. It's mega expensive...which also means when something goes wrong or needs replaced, replacement parts are also very expensive.
Being not a Ford...surely for any racing classes it's the same as a engine swap anyway as far as rules go ?
There's a lot to be said for moving to more modern stuff, even if it can also be a large investment to make the change. But could probably still be done with supporting mods, intake/exhaust etc for less than a S&J ?
But they are very nice looking engines...as much as there is probably a lot of merit in the long stud design where it goes through the main caps. I wonder how that pans out on real live ?
ie how's a head gasket swap ? Easy or hard ? things like that
It's for those who want a Ford...Cossie...all singing and dancing engine...except it is neither of those. It's mega expensive...which also means when something goes wrong or needs replaced, replacement parts are also very expensive.
Being not a Ford...surely for any racing classes it's the same as a engine swap anyway as far as rules go ?
There's a lot to be said for moving to more modern stuff, even if it can also be a large investment to make the change. But could probably still be done with supporting mods, intake/exhaust etc for less than a S&J ?
But they are very nice looking engines...as much as there is probably a lot of merit in the long stud design where it goes through the main caps. I wonder how that pans out on real live ?
ie how's a head gasket swap ? Easy or hard ? things like that
17-04-2019, 05:26 PM
#136
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Cool mate propper nice people to deal with alot of works gone into developing that mk2 very interesting
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smiley (17-04-2019)
17-04-2019, 05:36 PM
#138
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Great pics mate ��
18-04-2019, 05:48 PM
#142
I'd imagine as they are race cars....they probably covered more road and race/stage miles than Rods.
Certainly the later block design with the studs that screw into the main cap is good vs the older which had studs into the alloy. Although it would be nice to have a top hat style liner in the block, with an iron surface for the gasket, rather than the thin liner that is in place in the photos.
I did have a link somewhere to one of the race cars, no idea where it is though. It was a rally/hillclimb type Escort in Europe somewhere.
Certainly the later block design with the studs that screw into the main cap is good vs the older which had studs into the alloy. Although it would be nice to have a top hat style liner in the block, with an iron surface for the gasket, rather than the thin liner that is in place in the photos.
I did have a link somewhere to one of the race cars, no idea where it is though. It was a rally/hillclimb type Escort in Europe somewhere.
18-04-2019, 07:19 PM
#143
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When I was speaking to Steve he said thiers a few at 1000 one planned in Malta at 1200 and one in Germany planned for 1500 he said the first few out of the mk2 batch had teething issues the issue was rectified, over 50 out thier now no issues
18-04-2019, 07:20 PM
#144
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18-04-2019, 10:55 PM
#145
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They are rated well into the 800hp plus area I believe
Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul
Last edited by turbotrev; 18-04-2019 at 11:01 PM.
19-04-2019, 10:23 AM
#146
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I assume they replaced the first mk2 ones for free then?
19-04-2019, 02:05 PM
#147
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Ag focus was/is over 900 on the old style alloy block so the through stud idea will be a walk in the park at 1000. They’ve done an iron through stud version which will be even stronger
19-04-2019, 03:51 PM
#148
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