Facet red top as lift pump for 550 hp YB
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Facet red top as lift pump for 550 hp YB
I'm looking to run a red top facet as a lift pump to my swirl pot before it gets to the 044 pump.
6-7 psi. 33 imperial gallons. 40 US.
All low pressure lines are -8 jic . 11.1mm
X4 injectors. Single rail.
Bsfc .6, but I'm running later ASNU 30 degree multi hole injectors!?
Is this pump up to the job?
6-7 psi. 33 imperial gallons. 40 US.
All low pressure lines are -8 jic . 11.1mm
X4 injectors. Single rail.
Bsfc .6, but I'm running later ASNU 30 degree multi hole injectors!?
Is this pump up to the job?
Last edited by 1300gt; 04-07-2017 at 07:54 PM.
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Silly boys ! Lol
4ltr min
240ltr hour
So that's 63 US gallons ... That's what's needed?.. Facet is 40.
It's funny how I've see a curtain old ford that runs reg 10s at the strip that's got 523 plus a shot of gas .. Thats only on one red top?.. Can not see another lift pump on it !??
4ltr min
240ltr hour
So that's 63 US gallons ... That's what's needed?.. Facet is 40.
It's funny how I've see a curtain old ford that runs reg 10s at the strip that's got 523 plus a shot of gas .. Thats only on one red top?.. Can not see another lift pump on it !??
Last edited by 1300gt; 05-07-2017 at 01:33 PM.
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Silly boys ! Lol
4ltr min
240ltr hour
So that's 63 US gallons ... That's what's needed?.. Facet is 40.
It's funny how I've see a curtain old ford that runs reg 10s at the strip that's got 523 plus a shot of gas .. Thats only on one red top?.. Can not see another lift pump on it !??
4ltr min
240ltr hour
So that's 63 US gallons ... That's what's needed?.. Facet is 40.
It's funny how I've see a curtain old ford that runs reg 10s at the strip that's got 523 plus a shot of gas .. Thats only on one red top?.. Can not see another lift pump on it !??
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Their has been some silly comments made. It makes me laugh.
If something is old is it rubbish?
Their is always more technically advanced methods.
Old ford gt40s on quad 48 down draw carbs could make over 400hp with much poorer BSFC than a YB..
That's on a red top. They are quite reliable.. However if it's not fit for the actual job in hand that's another matter.
If something is old is it rubbish?
Their is always more technically advanced methods.
Old ford gt40s on quad 48 down draw carbs could make over 400hp with much poorer BSFC than a YB..
That's on a red top. They are quite reliable.. However if it's not fit for the actual job in hand that's another matter.
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So you say they quote 40GPH ( US ) for the red top. That's a feeble 160LPH
Not a hope in hell is it ever supplying a reliable 550hp...or even 450.,..maybe at a push 350hp.
But probably around 300hp worth of fuel in the real world.
I see Merlin are listing it as a 45GPH....for 240HP engines.
If you can prove/verify it actually flows more than this in the real world, then that is a different matter. But on paper....woeful.
Of course Bosch officially quote only 180LPH for their 044, but it's well know it flows substantially more.
Most other makers seem to inflate their flow figures !
Might be enough fuel in the float bowls already lol
Not a hope in hell is it ever supplying a reliable 550hp...or even 450.,..maybe at a push 350hp.
But probably around 300hp worth of fuel in the real world.
I see Merlin are listing it as a 45GPH....for 240HP engines.
If you can prove/verify it actually flows more than this in the real world, then that is a different matter. But on paper....woeful.
Of course Bosch officially quote only 180LPH for their 044, but it's well know it flows substantially more.
Most other makers seem to inflate their flow figures !
Might be enough fuel in the float bowls already lol
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Warning playing with fuel can be dangerous have a fire extinguisher to hand.
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What about using a 044 pump to feed the swirl pot?
Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul
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As said 2 facet red tops or do what i did many years ago and run a holley blue pump this will keep up with the demand and with the return from rail back to the swirl pot will keep it topped up.
Holley blue pumps are expensive 170 quid. Then there is unions etc.
The holley is a rotor vane type and quite in comparision to a red top.
Choice is yours of cousre. And the genuine GT40 we had at work was running 2 holley pumps and rememeber they have as said float chambers and dont have a fuel return like an injected car so will not need to FLOW that much fuel.
Paul
Holley blue pumps are expensive 170 quid. Then there is unions etc.
The holley is a rotor vane type and quite in comparision to a red top.
Choice is yours of cousre. And the genuine GT40 we had at work was running 2 holley pumps and rememeber they have as said float chambers and dont have a fuel return like an injected car so will not need to FLOW that much fuel.
Paul
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I've spoken to think automotive with regard to holly red pump. *not ordered yet*
The blue holly is supplied with a regulator for ( carb set ups? )
Max delivery press 7psi for red. 14psi for blue. With no added reg.
So blue holly *without* regulator to charge my swirl .. ?
Would that be suitable that my return from swirl to tank is - 6 in size .. ? Or bigger ?
Proper info fellas cheers!
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I'm thinking the fuel tank breather one way valve may see too much pressure with this blue holly pump and shut off my breather ?!
If I blow directly on the breather pipe to the valve disconnected from the tank it lifts and snaps shut .. (As you would expect).
However would return pressure that will be constantly cycling from my swirl also cause this effect of "closing" my tank breather valve .. ?
I'm using a rally style shaped 12 gallon alloy rwd escort type of tank.
If I blow directly on the breather pipe to the valve disconnected from the tank it lifts and snaps shut .. (As you would expect).
However would return pressure that will be constantly cycling from my swirl also cause this effect of "closing" my tank breather valve .. ?
I'm using a rally style shaped 12 gallon alloy rwd escort type of tank.
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As said 2 facet red tops or do what i did many years ago and run a holley blue pump this will keep up with the demand and with the return from rail back to the swirl pot will keep it topped up.
Holley blue pumps are expensive 170 quid. Then there is unions etc.
The holley is a rotor vane type and quite in comparision to a red top.
Choice is yours of cousre. And the genuine GT40 we had at work was running 2 holley pumps and rememeber they have as said float chambers and dont have a fuel return like an injected car so will not need to FLOW that much fuel.
Paul
Holley blue pumps are expensive 170 quid. Then there is unions etc.
The holley is a rotor vane type and quite in comparision to a red top.
Choice is yours of cousre. And the genuine GT40 we had at work was running 2 holley pumps and rememeber they have as said float chambers and dont have a fuel return like an injected car so will not need to FLOW that much fuel.
Paul
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Holley blue pump without reg to feed swirl pot.my old setup was 1.5 litre but now 2 litre.
-6 feed and return will be fine. Make sure you fit a decent filter between tank and holley and after the 044 for injectors.
Ensure good wiring and voltages to both pumps.
Job done.
-6 feed and return will be fine. Make sure you fit a decent filter between tank and holley and after the 044 for injectors.
Ensure good wiring and voltages to both pumps.
Job done.
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For a suitable tank, and that isnt the low pressure side.
But again he hasnt given any details of the tank setup.
But building a tank with in-tank pumps, is pretty much the simplest and neatest solution instead of needing swirl tanks etc.
But again he hasnt given any details of the tank setup.
But building a tank with in-tank pumps, is pretty much the simplest and neatest solution instead of needing swirl tanks etc.
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Too be honest why dont you just buy a escort tank with a swirl pot inside and run 2 x 044 pumps to feed engine this will give ulitimate safety and will be cheaper.
I can not do this in my cortina as i wanted to retain the std tank with no external pumps visable.
I costed a custom alloy tank from concept racing and that would be around 700 quid then cost of fittings pipe etc it all adds up.
Paul
I can not do this in my cortina as i wanted to retain the std tank with no external pumps visable.
I costed a custom alloy tank from concept racing and that would be around 700 quid then cost of fittings pipe etc it all adds up.
Paul
#37
Those generic Escort tanks with the outlet on only one side, really are a terrible design.
There would need to be some miracle work inside for them to be efficient.
There would need to be some miracle work inside for them to be efficient.
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Too be honest why dont you just buy a escort tank with a swirl pot inside and run 2 x 044 pumps to feed engine this will give ulitimate safety and will be cheaper.
I can not do this in my cortina as i wanted to retain the std tank with no external pumps visable.
I costed a custom alloy tank from concept racing and that would be around 700 quid then cost of fittings pipe etc it all adds up.
Paul
I can not do this in my cortina as i wanted to retain the std tank with no external pumps visable.
I costed a custom alloy tank from concept racing and that would be around 700 quid then cost of fittings pipe etc it all adds up.
Paul
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Yep never had a single issue with the Ford one but it was getting really rusty. So got a none genuine one with a metal swirl in it unlike the original larger plastic one. Had it aero quipped and paint fitted it and it surged like fuck. Had to fit the swirl pot to stop it. Mines an 044 tank to swirl then 044 swirl to rail. When it go's back together I'll see what mark suggests as the rail will be now fed by an aeromotive pump
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