Zetec Turbo questions?
10-07-2016, 07:50 PM
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Zetec Turbo questions?
As of Tuesday I've got a Zetec Turbo engine for my MK3 Fiesta.
It's a 2.0 blacktop with RS1800 HO inlet Manifold with SR20det injectors
Tubular Exhaust manifold with T3 and various other goodies
My main question is getting it set up however, the engine has not been run yet. The car it came from was a Zetec S turbo, but using megasquirt and the focus inlet with RS injectors.
The engine was then sold to my friend excluding the inlet and ecu, and he bought an RS1800 ecu, the SR20det side feed injectors and the Nodiz ecu.
I am led to believe however that Nodiz is ignition only however and not fuel? What's the best ecu to use for this or will Nodiz work? The Nodiz ecu was around £269 but the megasquirt ecu's seem much dearer. I've seen a couple of microsquirt ecu's around £320 but not sure if these will cut it. I'm not after massive power, around 180-200 will do hence why I also want to keep the standard zetec Inlet. Any suggestions?
It's a 2.0 blacktop with RS1800 HO inlet Manifold with SR20det injectors
Tubular Exhaust manifold with T3 and various other goodies
My main question is getting it set up however, the engine has not been run yet. The car it came from was a Zetec S turbo, but using megasquirt and the focus inlet with RS injectors.
The engine was then sold to my friend excluding the inlet and ecu, and he bought an RS1800 ecu, the SR20det side feed injectors and the Nodiz ecu.
I am led to believe however that Nodiz is ignition only however and not fuel? What's the best ecu to use for this or will Nodiz work? The Nodiz ecu was around £269 but the megasquirt ecu's seem much dearer. I've seen a couple of microsquirt ecu's around £320 but not sure if these will cut it. I'm not after massive power, around 180-200 will do hence why I also want to keep the standard zetec Inlet. Any suggestions?
10-07-2016, 08:12 PM
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Nodiz is ignition only.
Mine is bassed on the Rs spec and will use the rs Ecu. Good for 220 or I plan on a little over 250 with a stage 1 bluefin remap.
Nothing wrong with Megasquirt but bank on spending the same again plus some having it mapped.
Mine is bassed on the Rs spec and will use the rs Ecu. Good for 220 or I plan on a little over 250 with a stage 1 bluefin remap.
Nothing wrong with Megasquirt but bank on spending the same again plus some having it mapped.
10-07-2016, 08:53 PM
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Yes, there are lots of ways to do it but an Rs ecu isn't any dearer these days but it does have the correct mapping for a turbo zetec. Well better than a chipped cvh ecu anyway.
Stand alone will always be best but at a cost.
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10-07-2016, 11:05 PM
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Anyone recommend the best standalone ecu? As I say, there's several different megasquirt ECU's, which one's the most bang for buck? Some seem to be around 550, others around 300???
11-07-2016, 01:51 PM
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You would generally go with whatever your prefered mapper likes best as they are the ones having to map it.
But if you are after value for money...
Speak to Rob at boost monkeys. .
He's on here too. Megasquirt based , automotive grade build quality, his gen8 is an excellent unit for the price. You can use whatever sensors you like. Lots of upgrades available. And some first class customer service which in my books counts for a lot in this day and age !
Just my 2ps worth
But if you are after value for money...
Speak to Rob at boost monkeys. .
He's on here too. Megasquirt based , automotive grade build quality, his gen8 is an excellent unit for the price. You can use whatever sensors you like. Lots of upgrades available. And some first class customer service which in my books counts for a lot in this day and age !
Just my 2ps worth
11-07-2016, 03:46 PM
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As above, find a local mapper and ask what he likes to work with. It will soon piss you of taking it across the country for tweeks and upgrades.
That's why I like oem as its plug and play.
That's why I like oem as its plug and play.
11-07-2016, 07:23 PM
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Omex 600 is ok, but it's quite old now and very limited by comparison to the others that are out there.
Don't get me wrong - I have it running my FRS engine, but it is what it is. Management is important. I'll be looking to upgrade in the future as let's face it, it could be the difference between saving your engine and not.
Don't get me wrong - I have it running my FRS engine, but it is what it is. Management is important. I'll be looking to upgrade in the future as let's face it, it could be the difference between saving your engine and not.
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11-07-2016, 07:58 PM
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Omex 600 is ok, but it's quite old now and very limited by comparison to the others that are out there.
Don't get me wrong - I have it running my FRS engine, but it is what it is. Management is important. I'll be looking to upgrade in the future as let's face it, it could be the difference between saving your engine and not.
Don't get me wrong - I have it running my FRS engine, but it is what it is. Management is important. I'll be looking to upgrade in the future as let's face it, it could be the difference between saving your engine and not.
11-07-2016, 08:50 PM
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For arguments sake then, could I possibly run the FRST ofab ecu for the time being to get it up and running and still making for good driveability with the spec I have? Then once I've saved up a bit, then go aftermarket. To be honest even if it makes 150hp as long as it runs decent I'll be happy to then invest more when I have the money. Anyone done this?
11-07-2016, 08:51 PM
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Do you mean your engine is Focus RS spec and running standard ofab ecu?
11-07-2016, 09:21 PM
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For arguments sake then, could I possibly run the FRST ofab ecu for the time being to get it up and running and still making for good driveability with the spec I have? Then once I've saved up a bit, then go aftermarket. To be honest even if it makes 150hp as long as it runs decent I'll be happy to then invest more when I have the money. Anyone done this?
Of course your week point is always going to be a dodgy 20+ ur old loom and sensors etc. To be honest I've been there done that and then moved on for the above reasons .
It's your choice at the end of the day
11-07-2016, 09:39 PM
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If your going to do that, then would consider boost monkeys ofam at a later date as it's a direct replacent for the ofab ecu, but mappable with excellent functionality.
Of course your week point is always going to be a dodgy 20+ ur old loom and sensors etc. To be honest I've been there done that and then moved on for the above reasons .
It's your choice at the end of the day
Of course your week point is always going to be a dodgy 20+ ur old loom and sensors etc. To be honest I've been there done that and then moved on for the above reasons .
It's your choice at the end of the day
11-07-2016, 09:46 PM
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As far as i know you would need the full ofab setup and suitable injectors which being side fed is probably slightly limited. So it would be a case of finding some with a similar output to frst injectors or beiges if you have a 195 chip.
Or a custom Zt chip which crop up from time to time.
Far to hit and miss for my liking but possible. By the time you've done all that and problem solved all the corroded wiring dodgy sensors etc may as well have bought somthing designed for the job.
Which ever way you cut it your in for a bag of sand to get a basic standalone setup and some. Basic mapping sorted. But.... at least you'll know exactly where you are with it and it will be much more future proof mate
Or a custom Zt chip which crop up from time to time.
Far to hit and miss for my liking but possible. By the time you've done all that and problem solved all the corroded wiring dodgy sensors etc may as well have bought somthing designed for the job.
Which ever way you cut it your in for a bag of sand to get a basic standalone setup and some. Basic mapping sorted. But.... at least you'll know exactly where you are with it and it will be much more future proof mate
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12-07-2016, 11:27 AM
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St170 bottom end.
Black top top end.
And a few bits and bobs swapped around to give a reasonably strong Zetec engine but not forged strong.
Add the focus rs ecu and sensors to run it. Some bits are blacktop, some are silvertop some are robbed from the ford spare parts bin.
2000> wiring looms sre still healthy enough to work with unlike the the 1990's stuff that cracks like a twig to reveal the black death.
Using the oem ecu means it can be chipped or even live mapped. It has on board diagnostics and a good Immobilizer but it's not as flexible as stand alone. I find them easy to use but as these ecu's have 104 pins and a lot more sensors than aftermarket people often just shit them selfs and go aftermarket.
The omex 600 is basic in that newer stuff offers stuff like sequential injection, coil on plug, boost by gear and other stuff. But non of that is needed for a 200bhp Zetec.
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12-07-2016, 05:30 PM
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Omex 600 can run coil on plug, as I do, but it's still wasted spark. The coils are working twice as hard as they need to.
Don't get me wrong and I think the answer for th OP is look out for a second hand aftermarket setup, like Omex.
But it's not going to take you into the future, it will do the job you bought it for.
I've got my sights set on a Life Racing ECU.
Don't get me wrong and I think the answer for th OP is look out for a second hand aftermarket setup, like Omex.
But it's not going to take you into the future, it will do the job you bought it for.
I've got my sights set on a Life Racing ECU.
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