Dyno Graph and Printout for M600.
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#8
Yeah, its to do with barrometric(sp) pressure, thats the 2nd line in from the left on the printout, peak power was 587bhp before being corrected.
Harvey did explain it but, it was abit over my head!
Harvey did explain it but, it was abit over my head!
#9
SAE -- The SAE standard applied is a modified version of the SAE J1349 standard of June 1990. Power is corrected to reference conditions of 29.23 InHg (99 kPa) of dry air and 77 F (25°C). This SAE standard requires a correction for friction torque. Friction torque can be determined by measurements on special motoring dynamometers (which is only practical in research environments) or can be estimated. When estimates must be used, the SAE standard uses a default Mechanical Efficiency (ME) value of 85%. This is approximately correct at peak torque but not at other engine operating speeds. Some dynamometer systems use the SAE correction factor for atmospheric conditions but do not take mechanical efficiency into consideration at all (i.e. they assume a ME of 100%). SuperFlow uses a more sophisticated algorithm for calculating friction torque, based on a summary of thousands of friction power tests performed by the automotive industry. This proprietary algorithm estimates friction torque as a function of piston speed and engine displacement.
The "SAE corrected" power numbers indicated by your SuperFlow system are thus more accurate estimates of engine power output under reference conditions than what other systems using no ME correction or using a fixed ME of 85% will provide.
The "SAE corrected" power numbers indicated by your SuperFlow system are thus more accurate estimates of engine power output under reference conditions than what other systems using no ME correction or using a fixed ME of 85% will provide.
#11
OK, that's what I thought. I guess they use a correction factor to compare apples to apples, but IMHO, its kind of hokey since it is very rare that you'll drive in 'standard' conditions
Nice flat torque curve, looks pretty stout
Nice flat torque curve, looks pretty stout
#12
Originally Posted by EscortWRC
OK, that's what I thought. I guess they use a correction factor to compare apples to apples, but IMHO, its kind of hokey since it is very rare that you'll drive in 'standard' conditions
Nice flat torque curve, looks pretty stout
Nice flat torque curve, looks pretty stout
#13
I try to compare HP at the wheels for direct comparisons.
Its true that temp and humidity will change the outcome, but if all the cars are tested in similar conditions, you'll get a pretty good idea where they stand vs each other and 1 or 2 HP difference is hardly enough to give one 'bragging rights' over another.
Its true that temp and humidity will change the outcome, but if all the cars are tested in similar conditions, you'll get a pretty good idea where they stand vs each other and 1 or 2 HP difference is hardly enough to give one 'bragging rights' over another.
#15
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
SAE -- The SAE standard applied is a modified version of the SAE J1349 standard of June 1990. Power is corrected to reference conditions of 29.23 InHg (99 kPa) of dry air and 77 F (25°C). This SAE standard requires a correction for friction torque. Friction torque can be determined by measurements on special motoring dynamometers (which is only practical in research environments) or can be estimated. When estimates must be used, the SAE standard uses a default Mechanical Efficiency (ME) value of 85%. This is approximately correct at peak torque but not at other engine operating speeds. Some dynamometer systems use the SAE correction factor for atmospheric conditions but do not take mechanical efficiency into consideration at all (i.e. they assume a ME of 100%). SuperFlow uses a more sophisticated algorithm for calculating friction torque, based on a summary of thousands of friction power tests performed by the automotive industry. This proprietary algorithm estimates friction torque as a function of piston speed and engine displacement.
The "SAE corrected" power numbers indicated by your SuperFlow system are thus more accurate estimates of engine power output under reference conditions than what other systems using no ME correction or using a fixed ME of 85% will provide.
The "SAE corrected" power numbers indicated by your SuperFlow system are thus more accurate estimates of engine power output under reference conditions than what other systems using no ME correction or using a fixed ME of 85% will provide.
#18
Hi porkie still got a couple of things left to do to it(gonna get it checked over at brunters by ahmed when the engines in the car) TOTB is pretty tempting especially the handling course but im gonna go out and enjoy the car first
#21
now without trying to take anything away from this , so please dont take it the wrong way , fantanstic power and torque figures but the engine starts to lose torque at what 5700rpm ?? surely once the engine starts to drop peak torque its time for a gear shift ? hence you will only have a power band of 3000 - 5700 rpm ??
im sure it will feel alot differant than it looks on the graph and especially seeing as you have a decent gearbox to carry it off just looks a little strange to me , like it would run out of the initial "get up and go" you will have early on. or did you ask for it to be like that for a reason ?
cheers
mark
im sure it will feel alot differant than it looks on the graph and especially seeing as you have a decent gearbox to carry it off just looks a little strange to me , like it would run out of the initial "get up and go" you will have early on. or did you ask for it to be like that for a reason ?
cheers
mark
#24
Originally Posted by markk
now without trying to take anything away from this , so please dont take it the wrong way , fantanstic power and torque figures but the engine starts to lose torque at what 5700rpm ?? surely once the engine starts to drop peak torque its time for a gear shift ? hence you will only have a power band of 3000 - 5700 rpm ??
im sure it will feel alot differant than it looks on the graph and especially seeing as you have a decent gearbox to carry it off just looks a little strange to me , like it would run out of the initial "get up and go" you will have early on. or did you ask for it to be like that for a reason ?
cheers
mark
im sure it will feel alot differant than it looks on the graph and especially seeing as you have a decent gearbox to carry it off just looks a little strange to me , like it would run out of the initial "get up and go" you will have early on. or did you ask for it to be like that for a reason ?
cheers
mark
You obviously have never driven a "500" engine, as mine only made peak torque at 5k (422lb ft) and peak power at 7k (515bhp) and wanted to rev for England. If it wasn't near 8k, it wasn't happy . The torque at 7k is still MORE than mine made at it's peak .
#26
whouldnt mind ago as well john, hope you dont brake the box o and be carefull with the gear changes ( you know what i mean). Going to central day if so see you there and are you going to have a go
#27
Not sure mark but i thought all low comp engines tail off the higher the revs
Paul no probs m8
Hi dunc it wont run at the pod because im gonna get the fuel system uprated first then get it checked over in car at brunters by ahmed
The car should be there though so come and have a look
Paul no probs m8
Hi dunc it wont run at the pod because im gonna get the fuel system uprated first then get it checked over in car at brunters by ahmed
The car should be there though so come and have a look
#30
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Matt,
Even rolling roads correct the power figures to the above SAE, so same difference .
Adus,
Typical know nothing Skyline owner .
Even rolling roads correct the power figures to the above SAE, so same difference .
Adus,
Typical know nothing Skyline owner .
#31
Mike Rainbird,
Mark,
You obviously have never driven a "500" engine,
Mark,
You obviously have never driven a "500" engine,
mike ,
you 'obviously' know very little , and just for you is this before i start
i will just refer you to a certain Mr Wiles, i do seam to remember a certain RS500 having a "500" engine. please stop me if im wrong
in fact i drove that particular version of the SCS "500" engine more than on one occassion , in fact , just for the record , i actually rebuilt it after its unfortunate failure. So after all that , i still stand by my statement , having prior experiance and again i thank you
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