MK MOTORSPORT

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HI
have you seen that 1200 bhp escort in performance ford i think that has just pushed the bar just a bit out of reach now but well done to him ,come on mark ,harvey , julian show him what the brits can do lol

mark

DAN400

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but will it stay together??
hav nt bought performance ford in years, must get it today and have a nosey

ajamesc

I'm shore there's been a few over here with over a 1000bhp lol but if the likes of Julian and mark can't do it on pump or race fuel to a usable and reliable standard I very much doubt its possible! Plus a lot of these cars seem to be out and out drag cars with power right up the rev range so I dare say in the real world on the road would be shit!

Fullflush

I think Julian or NMS might be the only ones able to pull a rabbit like this out of the hat.

Rod has tried for years and got nowhere near

ajamesc

i think that's because as a usable engine in a road car 850 ish bhp is as far as it will ever go!

Mark Shead

Put Rods on methonal and its 1000hp if the HG lasts its that easy, Getting 800hp on pump is much harder.

Mark

MK MOTORSPORT

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hi mark
whats hg ?
also if engines on pump fuel wont stay together at 800 what is it in methonol that makes an engine stronger able to take 1200

mark

Sonic Boom

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Mark my 3 Door is 550bhp how much more would you get out of it just by mapping it on Methonal?
I know you'd probably need to know more information on the engine but is it lineer to the BHP the car is already producing?
Cheers Rich

JamesH

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Head gasket

Mark Shead

Look at the make up of that fuel and this will tell you everything,
Hg I have one in mind for the 1000+hp engine but other changes are needed to make it work and I decided not to use it on Rods.

Mark

Mark Shead

Its not good stuff to use and you need to make other changes and double the size of your fuel supply.

Mark

MK MOTORSPORT

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hi james simple when you know lol ,
doh lol
how can the head gasket last another 400 bhp just because its on methonal



mark

Jasu

And I'm pretty sure that the head gasket is not the problem.
The biggest problem seems to be money and durability. Surprise, surprise.

Sonic Boom

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My Dad used to run in his Race Car (Cooper 500) on Methonal 80% to 20% Nitromethane. Course all he had to do was drill the jets out on his carburettor
Rich

Mark Shead

That fuel should have been in a rocket not a Cooper.

Mark

MK MOTORSPORT

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hi mark
i dont understand how a fuel can make a crank rods pistons etc stronger ,if a 800 hp engine brakes on pump fuel why is it stronger on methonal ,not being funny i just dont understand ,on the block geoff has done, he says he has done it like bdt ie fire rings and o rings round the rest ,would a recess in the head and a copper ring and the the liner protruding so it bites in the copper ring then o ring the rest so studs are just pulling down on a smaller area than trying to clamp the full surface of the head block the pressure on the rings will be a lot higher for the same torque then if on the full surface of the deck

mark

Mark_

Im sure then answer is pretty straight forward, but how comes WMI isn't more commonly used in the Ford scene?
I know the VW boys tend to run it on bigish power 1.8t's.
Most run Devil's Own

Just wondered why its not used here?

Karlos G

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It doesn't make the engine stronger... It can make more power because it has a higher det threshold, the engine (rods, pistons, crank, block, etc.) will still need to be able to cope with it of course.

Sonic Boom

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There was a crazy bloke call Tim Cameron who used to run more Nitromethane than Methonal in his Cooper.
Never stand behind a car running Nitromenthane it's like being tear gased.
Rich

MK MOTORSPORT

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oh ok thanks for that , thats what i thought ,what did the f1 turbo cars use for fuel when they were making 1500/1600 bhp for qualy and 1000bhp for the race and was they 1600/1800 cc

mark

Mark Shead

Correct and it has 50% oxygen and burns cooler which also means a normal water system struggles to get up to temp.

Mark

xr2wishy

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twin turbo setup is all that's needed, so the big power can run on a hue turbo so far less pumping losses.
obviously lots of billet and fine machining to keep it together.

ben_frst

cant agree more i would like to see how much faster a that escort is compared to a 6-700 hp car built by the likes of julian/mark/harvey/whoever tbh

and also if it would last more than a couple of hours at that power

I've not even seen the car and tbh not interested i doubt any ground breaking development has been made

the proof is in the pudding lol

MK MOTORSPORT

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hi
i think in the mag it said it was doing 8 second quarters ,if you look at the feature it looks like it has a few things on it not done before

mark

JonnyBravo

If it runs 8.3 1/4's then I would say its a LOT faster than anything they have all built, thing is IMO like Rods car its a one trick pony and very few people are interested in that sort of thing, you are never going to have that sort of power reliably in a road car, well not from a YB.

Johnny Knoxville

Didn't Andy Forrest old spec engine Subaru run methanol?



No intercooler as its on methanol so no need?

scoooby slayer

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and that in itself is phenomenal imo 850 reliable as can hp from a little 4 pot

ajamesc

Rods car is far from a one trick pony lol so it dose top speed runs! More important is the distance in which it dose them runs as that shows how fast the car is from take off till maxed out! In the real world on the road any car with 600+ bhp that has matching torque all low down and can get it on the road is playing a totally different game to at a guess any road car or road bike you will have ever been in or on lol. Striped out drag cars are a totally different thing just because a car is fast up the quarter mile don't mean it will be fast on the road in 4th at 70 mph

costina

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All from a modded cortina block

Regards head gasket issues why is'nt wire ringing or coopers rings used anymore surely this would be a better option.

JonnyBravo

I'm fully aware of the performance figures which are VERY impressive. I'm far more impressed by cars like the AG Focus that can still put down incredible acceleration times and be one of the fastest things round a circuit.

If I wanted a very fast road car I would just buy a Porsche turbo and have it remapped.

Rod-Tarry

What has Rod tried I may know more than most what he tried to do .
In 2004 i asked Mark to build a 600bhp road engine it made 613bhp on pump fuel it ran untill it cracked a Block in 2006 running a 300shot of Nitrous.
I then asked for a 800bhp road engine. The race fuel head gasket problem took 2 years to solve but been OK since 2008 . It was the first & probably still the only YB to make 800bhp on road fuel, it has not yet done a gasket on pump fuel or cracked a block .
Its rather pointless comparing my baby with a Methanol drag engine , my ports are too small, the cams not wild enough & my Turbo small compared to the 45 on that drag engine. One will be great at 8secs passes on 100% WOT the other will take 40secs at 100% WOT .

My aim since i retired from setting RS Topspeed records, is to help others who are interested in that discipline. Its time for the next crop of record setters to emerge im older than Mike R's hairstyle & have had my day.
Im involved with several 2013 attempts one with a rival Tuner, lets hope Sheady dont find out who .

It's Czech Mate

Was the 4 years since 2008 sat in the garage gathering dust a tough enough test though? I've got no idea how you can say any incarnation of your car in recent years is everyday reliable as according to your posts its always laid up waiting for parts

Glenn_

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I will have a read of the feature later on.

Very impressive figures.

Dicko&Vacant

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Do you really need another 500hp to gain only 1 second in drag racing? I'm pretty sure ag focus ran a 9.3 at totb and that escort is only 1 second quicker.

botters

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if i remember correctley on one of the cosworth films i watched regarding the f1 engines that they built, some were running upto 100psi of boost!

frsjon

me and a few mates found this out at the pod a few years ago.. watched this nitro car go up the strip from the vip balcony,felt shit/dissy for a while lol the drivers wife was up there with us and said it was the nitro!

costina

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guess you would have to use a oil gauge to read boost for that one

lee2cossies

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There's clearly traction issues with the escort if u look at the run and the terminal speed is 178mph where the ag focus was 150mph ish. It run 8.3 seconds on it's first outing so imagine it will go faster with further development.

lee2cossies

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The block cracking I thought was the biggest problem with huge power yb's? Hence this new block design from Geoff page? Still good to see tuners pushing the boudaries with the old alloy head pinto.

lee2cossies

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I'm sure andy couldn't get good results with the methanol and went back to intercooler and race fuel, it then went faster than ever,8.9 seconds. His latest car with a svx Subaru v6 has now done 8.4 seconds!!!