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Old 08-12-2012, 12:11 PM
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Default MSD ALS, so you nee to run a dump valve for it to work?

Took my dump valve off and the ALS didn't seem to work, put it back on and it pop'd and banged as normal , is it temperature dependant, as the engine was still quite cold when I took the valve off, secs monitor read engine coolant as 51 degrees c ?
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Yes it's temp dependant mate.
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It won't work under 65 degrees water temp IIRC ?
Old 08-12-2012, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
It won't work under 65 degrees water temp IIRC ?
this is correct
Old 08-12-2012, 02:38 PM
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Magic , thanks guys.
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Turbo needs to be red hot to ignite petrol properly before it will work mate.
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Originally Posted by Cardie
Turbo needs to be red hot to ignite petrol properly before it will work mate.
It`s not the turbo who ignite petrol, but retard ignition, so it ignite petrol when exhaust valves are open
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Originally Posted by Cardie
Turbo needs to be red hot to ignite petrol properly before it will work mate.


Old 08-12-2012, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cardie
Turbo needs to be red hot to ignite petrol properly before it will work mate.
Put the fast ford mag down...
Old 08-12-2012, 04:56 PM
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I love mine it's bonkers still to use the launch control though
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Launch control is great mine holds 22psi
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Originally Posted by Cardie
Turbo needs to be red hot to ignite petrol properly before it will work mate.
I've not got a WRC mate lol
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Originally Posted by BRAMMER
I love mine it's bonkers still to use the launch control though
Launch control is mental Chris
Old 08-12-2012, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie
Launch control is mental Chris
I haven't tried it as i didn't want to kill the transmission
Old 08-12-2012, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Cardie
Turbo needs to be red hot to ignite petrol properly before it will work mate.

Old 08-12-2012, 10:02 PM
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Can you run the ALS on standard saph T3 and early ecu?Seen some cars fitted with it and does sound and look great.
Old 08-12-2012, 10:34 PM
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I am actually laughing at all the people taking the piss out of the guy who mentioned the turbine temperature.

This guys is actually right, you people who use it as an on-off for a couple of seconds, you try running it for 20 minutes on full on/off throttle then come back on here and tell him he's wrong.

when the turbine temp is too low you cannot extract enough heat energy from the fuel by the igniton retard alone to power the tubine as effectively as possible. The turbine temperature will be heated by the excess retard, yes, as the temp climbs, self ignition of the fuel as it reached it's flash point and the fuels volatility is key.

The ignition retard is to prevent the engine making any power with a very large air bypass, what do you guys think stops the engine from sitting on the rev limited with a modified ISCV and in some cases an extra air bypass too ?

I can tell you what it is, it's the ignition retard.

oh dear, passionford web experts - you have failed tonights task.

better luck in ridiculing someone next time eh?
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Originally Posted by markk
I am actually laughing at all the people taking the piss out of the guy who mentioned the turbine temperature.

This guys is actually right, you people who use it as an on-off for a couple of seconds, you try running it for 20 minutes on full on/off throttle then come back on here and tell him he's wrong.

when the turbine temp is too low you cannot extract enough heat energy from the fuel by the igniton retard alone to power the tubine as effectively as possible. The turbine temperature will be heated by the excess retard, yes, as the temp climbs, self ignition of the fuel as it reached it's flash point and the fuels volatility is key.

The ignition retard is to prevent the engine making any power with a very large air bypass, what do you guys think stops the engine from sitting on the rev limited with a modified ISCV and in some cases an extra air bypass too ?

I can tell you what it is, it's the ignition retard.

oh dear, passionford web experts - you have failed tonights task.

better luck in ridiculing someone next time eh?
As long as it pops & bangs 99% of people don't care
Old 08-12-2012, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
As long as it pops & bangs 99% of people don't care

Yes, it would seem so, and most who have it would realise that when you rev the engine up a bit the car will then pop some more, and more, and more, I wonder why lol

Try it for 10 mins on and off the throttle, makes a 0.63 T34 throttle responce like driving a normally aspirated when you reapply the throttle
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Originally Posted by markk
I am actually laughing at all the people taking the piss out of the guy who mentioned the turbine temperature.

This guys is actually right, you people who use it as an on-off for a couple of seconds, you try running it for 20 minutes on full on/off throttle then come back on here and tell him he's wrong.

when the turbine temp is too low you cannot extract enough heat energy from the fuel by the igniton retard alone to power the tubine as effectively as possible. The turbine temperature will be heated by the excess retard, yes, as the temp climbs, self ignition of the fuel as it reached it's flash point and the fuels volatility is key.

The ignition retard is to prevent the engine making any power with a very large air bypass, what do you guys think stops the engine from sitting on the rev limited with a modified ISCV and in some cases an extra air bypass too ?

I can tell you what it is, it's the ignition retard.

oh dear, passionford web experts - you have failed tonights task.

better luck in ridiculing someone next time eh?
Thank you, ive spent the last 3 years doing an Extended Diploma in motorsport, part of my degree is about launch control/anti lag which includes testing it, setting up maps for it. So I do know what im talking about
Old 09-12-2012, 01:21 AM
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LOL, brilliant post!
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Saved me some typing there Mark. Lol

Back on topic though Kev, yes i have keyed it to your cts mate, it won't activate with a cold engine.
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Originally Posted by RSMK4TURBO
Can you run the ALS on standard saph T3 and early ecu?Seen some cars fitted with it and does sound and look great.
Yes mate, as long as you have L8 or P8.
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Originally Posted by markk
I am actually laughing at all the people taking the piss out of the guy who mentioned the turbine temperature.

This guys is actually right, you people who use it as an on-off for a couple of seconds, you try running it for 20 minutes on full on/off throttle then come back on here and tell him he's wrong.

when the turbine temp is too low you cannot extract enough heat energy from the fuel by the igniton retard alone to power the tubine as effectively as possible. The turbine temperature will be heated by the excess retard, yes, as the temp climbs, self ignition of the fuel as it reached it's flash point and the fuels volatility is key.

The ignition retard is to prevent the engine making any power with a very large air bypass, what do you guys think stops the engine from sitting on the rev limited with a modified ISCV and in some cases an extra air bypass too ?

I can tell you what it is, it's the ignition retard.

oh dear, passionford web experts - you have failed tonights task.

better luck in ridiculing someone next time eh?
Lol!
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Saved me some typing there Mark. Lol

Back on topic though Kev, yes i have keyed it to your cts mate, it won't activate with a cold engine.
Thanks mate.
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Anti lag.Mmmmm i wouldnt mind this on mine.
Old 09-12-2012, 08:30 PM
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Strange how quiet it went in here pretty quickly after I replied
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Originally Posted by markk
Strange how quiet it went in here pretty quickly after I replied
Don't be spoiling the fun by bringing reason & fact to a PF post
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Thing is, it does "work" when the turbine is cold, it's just not as efficient
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
Thing is, it does "work" when the turbine is cold, it's just not as efficient
Indeed it does Gareth, and that is exactly what 99% of Pf's ALS owners experience lol
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Don't be spoiling the fun by bringing reason & fact to a PF post

Pmsl.

I wouldn't even bother to comment normaly but I just could not put up with the bullying and piss taking that was totally unjustified, maybe that's the teacher in me coming out on here. lol.
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The subject is only talking about mild gimmick anti lag.... Not full WRC that's why I laughed... Most don't run remote iscv or maram shafts... 20 mins use on this system would probably see the shaft or wheel in pieces.

And saying we've disappeared ! It's the first I've seen in this
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This thread is great
Tbh most of this stuff goes straight over my head like most people (even some who use it).I just remember one of my mates having antilag and traction control from someones race car on his 500+ 2wd sapp about 10 years ago and him snapping a couple of input shafts .Side step ?.He used to just stick it on full wet and hang it out all the way up the road popping banging and flaming childish and showing off,but good to see
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Originally Posted by Rax
This thread is great
Tbh most of this stuff goes straight over my head like most people (even some who use it).I just remember one of my mates having antilag and traction control from someones race car on his 500+ 2wd sapp about 10 years ago and him snapping a couple of input shafts .Side step ?.He used to just stick it on full wet and hang it out all the way up the road popping banging and flaming childish and showing off,but good to see

Your right with that comment... Childish and showing off but... It sounds and looks ace like you say...
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