Jay,

iTrader: (4)

If we don't use Julian its normally matt Simpson

I was waiting for the obvious to be stated

MK MOTORSPORT

iTrader: (1)

hi mark how are you

what are your thoughts on this as i know you use top spec parts etc ,if i came to you wanting this engine would it cost me £50,000 plus vat to get same figures

mark

Mark Shead

And thats not who I would use for the second option.

Mark

Mark Shead

It would be cheaper but as I havent been asked to do one I would not expect to match it on the 1st go but I would guess the second would be much closer,
I would love to have a go at one and see where we are at with the most pop choice of RX engine builder.

Mark

Jay,

iTrader: (4)

Well in all the years we have used him never had a issue over 2 million pounds worth of equipment and a low staff turn over but there again we wouldn't use pd due to when we have things have Brocken very easily and bad customer service so I guess is why we get a choice because not every supplier suits everybody

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

I'm sticking with my viper v10 twin turbo 1500bhp tank engine lol
with no restrictors though

MK MOTORSPORT

iTrader: (1)

mark
were do you you think you would be price wise

mark

Mark Shead

Guess 35k.

Mark

MK MOTORSPORT

iTrader: (1)

hi jay
thanks for the chat the other day
if it was that obvious i thought you would have pointed that out straight away lol

mark

Mark Shead

I have had totaly 100% the oposite experiance.

Mark

MK MOTORSPORT

iTrader: (1)

mark
would you use similar parts if so in your opinion were do you think the other 29k comes from

mark

Jay,

iTrader: (4)

It was that obvious I thought it wasn't worth saying



Great stuff your happy and so am I

Mark Shead

There would be some diff parts used and some would be my own and as I already use Arrow parts there would be a couple of parts made by the same company but spec would be diff as JG would have his exclusive parts just like I have also,
The production engine would cost more money and JG has his own YB tax as he earnt it.

Mark

MK MOTORSPORT

iTrader: (1)

mark
what do you mean the production engine would be more money

mark

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

don't forget the pay pal fees that the seller has to include when you click the buy it now button MK

Mark Shead

Well the 1st one would be at cost after that I would need to earn a crust.

Mark

MK MOTORSPORT

iTrader: (1)

so what your saying then is the engine isnt really £61,000 ,if i went to julian in person with cash i could buy this engine for £44,000 at that figure tony the price is justified ,thanks for clearing this up you could have done this at the start of this thread when the guy said £61,000 FOR A YB LOL

mark

v man

As you have mentioned it what's going on with said project umm

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

I doubt you'll find any proper professional company that would commit vat fraud for you
you will probably get the 3% paypal fees deducted
cash will probably get you no more discount, well it wouldn't with me any way
if you opted to pay by Bank Transfer I would offer some extra discount as cash is the most expensive way of banking money

Mark Shead

Look at his buying history on there and he hasnt sold a engine before on ebay by the looks of it, I would say its good marketing.

Mark

MK MOTORSPORT

iTrader: (1)

LOL earn a crust i wish i was a penny behind you lol ,so if you were doing these on a regular basis what would they cost ,sorry to be a pain just interested as are other people judging by this thread ,also your opinion on this thread topic being one of the leading yb engine builders ,as like me and a lot of others just guessing, were as you do it on a daily basis

thanks mark

Jay,

iTrader: (4)

I was shocked when paying s few quid in the other day and the bank charged 2% cheeky twats

Mark Shead

I would need to sit down and cost it correctly to know a price and then I couldnt post it on here as I would be classed as trading,
I am amazed not been pulled up on it on this thread.

Mark

Jay,

iTrader: (4)

Well no one has quoted firm prices just Julian getting lambasted for his price on forum he knows little about and probably never got any builds offI don't there is anyone ATM that's actually got him worried yet either but tbh this is a rally cross engine there's a a lot more to it than a few Gucci parts

Mark Shead

I dont see a problem with his price as he has earnt the right to charge it.

Mark

Jay,

iTrader: (4)

So why can't others see this you know to get to where you got to how much development costs.

Or are we all wrong and should ford charge 15k for a mk2 frs because that's how much it costs to build one out of parts

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

jay I believe the production cost of the focus is 5k

Jay,

iTrader: (4)

Well I'm going to ford in the morning and fucking demanding one for 5k because there's a bunch of red necks on pf says no one can earn there costs back or make a profit and if the sales bloke says ok I'll buy him a coffee and a danishButil get a receipt it's tax deductible

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

don't forget if your paying cash to ask for the vat to be knocked off Jay

Jay,

iTrader: (4)

Well that's £4166.67 so do you think I'll be taking the piss if I ask 4k for cash?

steveboyslim

I cannot see how an equivilent can be built for that money, I can get to £45k in parts, less the build, dyno cost and VAT.
JG does not do forum or pub talk spec, so apart from the engine managment I would be very interested to know what parts you would not use in an engine built by yourself.
Any of your engines Ford or otherwise used in competition ?

Steve

Mark Shead

You would need to add the vat to my price anyway,
I just dont get asked about race engines which I would love to do a few and see what they are like in competion.

Mark

MK MOTORSPORT

iTrader: (1)

hi steve
this is the sort of answers people are interested in ,i dont think anyone is doubting jg engines or pricing just asking were the price comes from ,now with your list and prices i and others will understand ,can you list parts and prices to get to 45k thanks for taking the time to clear this up

mark

Rod-Tarry

No but it does have 850bhp .

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

rod you currently have 0 bhp same as steve 4i, moonstine and me with or without the restrictor

Jay,

iTrader: (4)

Rod what is the hold up now Fisk

Glad I own a volvo this cossie shit hasn't changed since selling mine paying a lot in garage rent

Psycho Warren

iTrader: (5)

if youre going for the "no replacement for displacement" route then you might as well do it properly and fit a late spec rolls royce merlin v12 130 that knocked out 2060bhp and then modify it like the development engines that by the end of the war made 2600bhp.

Would sound loads better than any poxy cossie.

ajamesc

@ mark Sheed I bet after a couple of race spec builds with your know how and yb experience you would be serious competition to Julian at the level he rules!

Jay,

iTrader: (4)

That's a bit like saying I've some real good home movies look out Spielberg
I dare say it would take a lot more than a couple of builds it would take a few seasons of wins and and as Peter at spec r has found out the discipline needed to supply anything at that level in Motorsport you have be able to drop everything and deal with issues ! So that means more staff to deal with day to day stuff and a lot of travelling which all drives the costs up and stress levels

So although the feats are great with rods car but 206 mph on a tv show won't cut it with people spending a lot of money to race ! So to do it means either go racing yourself and win everything and hope your not bankrupt before you prove a point or sponsor someone heavily to run your equipment until its proven

Cossie Sean

you will see JG at most RX events giving support to his customers if needed,
when he wasnt racing himself he was always at croft, nice guy too