dake205

without a doubt it is an awesome one-off car, however after watching the touring cars at knockhill, i would question its performance compared to the porsche which seemed to be knocking out very similar lap times, unfortunately i dont know exact setups of each but i do feel that maybe ag focus is more all show than go.

Glenn_

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From what ive seen it seems to bloody shift.

liam-rst

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If your talking about andys own one which Charlie Shaw now has your very much mistaken mate, iirc its circa 800 BHP and very well built and set up, definatly not all show an no go

lee2cossies

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It holds the lap record around knockhill and beat all the time attack cars a few years back including the rcm Subaru so it is more go than show!

fogulbennett

that car would laugh at the carrera cup cars! and most definetly the btcc cars completely different league!

stevenr

You hoping to do a bit of this?

steven mc kay

i take it your new to the ford world.

andys last focus as in the carbon one charlie now has is fast. its running a scs 800 hp spec engine with a 6 speed ffd seq gear box,
its light, and its got the power . its a fast car, i dont no what kind of a driver charlie is but andy could peddal that focus, i can say that 100% sure as i was very lucky to get a run out in it at silverstone ford fair.

thanks steven

dake205

ok maybe a bit of bad wording i dont doubt

the car does shift
it is an awesome well setup built car
it does have 800hp compared to the posches 450hp
charlie does love a good show

however

what is the knockhill record charlie holds as i seen one of the porsche lap times under 51 seconds and so far i cant find anything showing charlie being that much quicker

Rsmat

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It's very quick..!

lee2cossies

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Sure he has run 49 seconds at some point.

fogulbennett

If andy wasn't on holiday he would probably be able too tell you his fastest lap

dake205

im not new to the ford world, regretfully just sold my escos after owning for 7 years due to house extension, yes maybe there is a bit of fishing but hopefully for official figures and without stating the obvious car is quick as so far we have under 2 seconds between the cars with the porsche being 350hp down

v man

Yeh I can also see a space framed carbon fibre 800bhp Focus with proper transmission brakes and suspension being slow

Wtf

Ebonycossie4x4

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How can anyone with any sense question wether the ag focus is a quick car

dake205

no wonder your crying clown, at no point have i said the car is slow or not quick. both cars are proper built with no expense spared

if you had sense and the informartion requested maybe we could say that the ag focus having an extra 350hp surely should be more than 2 secs quicker.

GARETH T

I think the what's hard to comprehend is how hard it is to reduce lap times once you get to a limit.

xr_craig

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2 seconds over a short lap isn't exactly shy

dake205

btcc crazy quote

Ben Barker will start both of tomorrow’s Porsche Carrera Cup GB races from pole position after setting the two fastest times in qualifying at Knockhill. The Parr Motorsport driver lapped the Scottish circuit in a best time of 50.597s to edge out championship leader Michael Meadows by 36-thousandths of a second.

car specification

■997 (911 GT3 RS II) basis
■450 bhp at 8500rpm
■Six-speed sequential dog-type gearbox
■Carbon fibre doors with window frame and plastic rear view mirrors
■Carbon fibre rear lid with adjustable rear wing
■Brake system with adjustable bias bar
■Internally ventilated brake discs – front 380mm – rear 350mm
■Motec instrument display with integrated data recording
■90 litre fuel tank
■Rear wheel drive
■Weight: approx 1160 kgs

anyone got the ag focus spec

fiesta23

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The car is very quick seen it both at crail and Knockhill. Not sure about it holding the lap record though

dake205

so far we are guessing 2 seconds as we don't have charlie or andy lap records. i understand it is a short lap but for the power limited porsche to be within 1 or 2 secs does it show the ag focus as REALLY quick or not

saph4be

at those lap times 2 seconds is massive and as capable as ag focus is i doubt it does not handle quite as well as btcc car!

v man

As it goes Iam a clown yes

I perform with the Russian state circus
The place where your mum goes so we can all take turns on her

Dick head

dingla rs

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Lmao andy broke lap record first outing with
Less than 800bhp an not testing at all

gjh

Ye, there ain't that many places where you can make up even more time at knockhill, its an absolute flyer of a car, will piss on pretty much most things.

saph4be

luke89

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2 secs a lap say 20 laps 40 secs thats nearly a lap so isit really slow?

RSricRS

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That focus was incredible, the blue carbon jobby!

Did it embarrass a motor bike at knock hill? Not sure which model? Stupidly fast well specced car IMO. The best ever.

stevenr

Quality

dake205

im glad you admit to being a clown and sorry i have to be the one to let you know but if you read the russian state circus flyer again as much as you did my post you will find out your banging your own mother

dake205

back on topic guys

2 secs a lap say 20 laps 40 secs thats nearly a lap so isit really slow?

no-one has said slow in fact quite the opposite.

we are still guessing 2 secs which might be as low as 1 and the porsche being 350hp down is it REALLY quick

JamboRS

what you driving now dake after selling the cossie.you no toys now?

OldDan

Was it Carbon or twintex?

stevieturbo

It seems almost everyone in the thread is missing the guys point.

He's just asking why a heavier, less powerful production based car isnt that much slower around the track

He isnt remotely suggesting Andy's car is slow, because it is a bloody rocket.

But more power doesnt always mean you'll go faster around a track. And lets face it, modern Porsches in any race series are superbly fettled for that purpose so will always be very very fast around race tracks.

But as others said, the faster you get around a track, the harder it is to knock 1 second off...or even 0.5 seconds...or even 0.1 secs.
So if Andy's car is a clear 2 secs ahead, that is massive over an already very fast car.

dake205

alright mate just my vans and family car. still got the go-karts and unfinished fiesta turbo bought myself a static caravan, building extension on the house, usual family life, working and drinking lots of budweiser means i can only dream of another track car or bring back the cossie. maybe next year what about you hows tricks mate

cheers stevie maybe i dont come accross to well with the passionford blinkers

Rod-Tarry

you only need go to Google to see that Andys lap time on slicks was 50.1secs. The fastest ever is a 43.3 (unofficial) in 2003 by a Ferrari F1 car. The fastest officially timed lap in exibition is 45.47 in 2008 by a Pilbeam.
If you check the official Lap record times for Knockhill it does not include a A. Gallagher or if it does i cant find it .

http://www.smart-timing.co.uk/Lap%20.../Knockhill.pdf

ps Why cant you lads gather the facts before start that way you may have a chance of winning an arguement.

carlo

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It done a 50.01 with 680 bhp and a r&d 6 speed box its now 800 bhp with sequential box

JamboRS

still got the frst.that not finished yet,more building cars and less building extensions

im good mate,still tinkinering with ford rs's.some things dont change,theres a rolling road day on sunday at AVA,get your ass along to it and maybe get the bug back

RSricRS

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That list is 2012, wasn't it more like 2010-2011 when he did something special there? I could be wrong! Wouldn't supprise me lol.

RSricRS

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Must be alot quicker know then, has it been on the track since?

Ridgey

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Race cars setup by race teams will have a significant advantage i guess at Knockhill as its a short twisty circuit that will play in the hands of Handling cars that are setup by professionals (no disrespect to the AG team).

At the quicker circuits eg. Silverstone the AG car i suspect would be much much quicker as the power will really be able to be used.