ag motorsport focus is it really quick or not
03-09-2012, 08:37 PM
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without a doubt it is an awesome one-off car, however after watching the touring cars at knockhill, i would question its performance compared to the porsche which seemed to be knocking out very similar lap times, unfortunately i dont know exact setups of each but i do feel that maybe ag focus is more all show than go.
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03-09-2012, 08:44 PM
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you only need go to Google to see that Andys lap time on slicks was 50.1secs. The fastest ever is a 43.3 (unofficial) in 2003 by a Ferrari F1 car. The fastest officially timed lap in exibition is 45.47 in 2008 by a Pilbeam.
If you check the official Lap record times for Knockhill it does not include a A. Gallagher or if it does i cant find it .
http://www.smart-timing.co.uk/Lap%20.../Knockhill.pdf
ps Why cant you lads gather the facts before start that way you may have a chance of winning an arguement.
If you check the official Lap record times for Knockhill it does not include a A. Gallagher or if it does i cant find it .
http://www.smart-timing.co.uk/Lap%20.../Knockhill.pdf
ps Why cant you lads gather the facts before start that way you may have a chance of winning an arguement.
The F1 car was no where near 43 seconds, thats a load of shit, i was there, it was up around 47 seconds just slightly quicker that the official lap record set by a radical.
The 43 was just publicity for the motorfair. It was driven by Andy Kirkaldy and he was warned not to bin the F1 car.
03-09-2012, 08:47 PM
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Time Attack proved it this year, super duper english drivers in the fastest Evos in the planet (lol) on slick with the sun shining and we get a 53.2. WOW
Andrew and charlie were getting these times in the wet.....
Andrew and charlie were getting these times in the wet.....
03-09-2012, 08:51 PM
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without a doubt it is an awesome one-off car, however after watching the touring cars at knockhill, i would question its performance compared to the porsche which seemed to be knocking out very similar lap times, unfortunately i dont know exact setups of each but i do feel that maybe ag focus is more all show than go.
On a longer track where the power can be used to best advantage the AG Focus would have a greater speed between the corners and so assuming it has the same or similar cornering potential would post a quicker lap.
03-09-2012, 08:55 PM
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on a track the size of knockhill(very small),
half a second in a race car/series is a huge amount
so andy being 1 second faster than the porsche suggests that it is stupidly fast
it has done sub 50 second laps as carlo will confirm but none that were officialy recorded for varius reasons
the porsches in that series are stupidly fast round knockhill with huge budgets and very very well set up
so to be a second faster than them suggests that it realy is a serious bit of kit
as said already when andrew done time attack he beat everything else round knockhill
and as the usual jap stuff in time attack is known to be seriously fast then that also shows how quick it actualy is
numbers aside i've seen the car used in anger dozens of times and possibly do see it with rose tinted specs
but any body thats seen it racing will agree that it will show up most supercars
as it did this regularly in the smrc against Ian Donaldsons lambo,
Ian simply couldn't keep up with Andrew, even on the straight so cant put that down to driver
and it out accelerated an R1 at knockhill so all in a very very quick car
half a second in a race car/series is a huge amount
so andy being 1 second faster than the porsche suggests that it is stupidly fast
it has done sub 50 second laps as carlo will confirm but none that were officialy recorded for varius reasons
the porsches in that series are stupidly fast round knockhill with huge budgets and very very well set up
so to be a second faster than them suggests that it realy is a serious bit of kit
as said already when andrew done time attack he beat everything else round knockhill
and as the usual jap stuff in time attack is known to be seriously fast then that also shows how quick it actualy is
numbers aside i've seen the car used in anger dozens of times and possibly do see it with rose tinted specs
but any body thats seen it racing will agree that it will show up most supercars
as it did this regularly in the smrc against Ian Donaldsons lambo,
Ian simply couldn't keep up with Andrew, even on the straight so cant put that down to driver
and it out accelerated an R1 at knockhill so all in a very very quick car
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03-09-2012, 08:59 PM
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This is the facts, from the horses mouth.
50.01 is the lap record for a saloon car which was set with 670bhp and a 2ltr bottom end.
Andrew only drove the car at knockhill once with 800bhp in the wet, then sold the car to charlie.
Charlie has never set any decent times and has never claimed to.
Andrew and Charlie are both bored shitless waiting on you english smart ba++rds getting close to the 50.01 and Andrew will be getting a loan of Charlies car to destroy the 50.01 and stop this stupidity.
BRING IT ON BITCHES.........
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50.01 is the lap record for a saloon car which was set with 670bhp and a 2ltr bottom end.
Andrew only drove the car at knockhill once with 800bhp in the wet, then sold the car to charlie.
Charlie has never set any decent times and has never claimed to.
Andrew and Charlie are both bored shitless waiting on you english smart ba++rds getting close to the 50.01 and Andrew will be getting a loan of Charlies car to destroy the 50.01 and stop this stupidity.
BRING IT ON BITCHES.........
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03-09-2012, 09:03 PM
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jambo i didnt think ava was still there, sounds like a good shout, you running anything
thanks for positive replies and i do understand testing is essential but now we are down to half a sec with an extra 230bhp. bring on the new times
thanks for positive replies and i do understand testing is essential but now we are down to half a sec with an extra 230bhp. bring on the new times
03-09-2012, 09:07 PM
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03-09-2012, 09:19 PM
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This is the facts, from the horses mouth.
50.01 is the lap record for a saloon car which was set with 670bhp and a 2ltr bottom end.
Andrew only drove the car at knockhill once with 800bhp in the wet, then sold the car to charlie.
Charlie has never set any decent times and has never claimed to.
Andrew and Charlie are both bored shitless waiting on you english smart ba++rds getting close to the 50.01 and Andrew will be getting a loan of Charlies car to destroy the 50.01 and stop this stupidity.
BRING IT ON BITCHES.........
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50.01 is the lap record for a saloon car which was set with 670bhp and a 2ltr bottom end.
Andrew only drove the car at knockhill once with 800bhp in the wet, then sold the car to charlie.
Charlie has never set any decent times and has never claimed to.
Andrew and Charlie are both bored shitless waiting on you english smart ba++rds getting close to the 50.01 and Andrew will be getting a loan of Charlies car to destroy the 50.01 and stop this stupidity.
BRING IT ON BITCHES.........
end of
The fact is Charlie and Andy can both pedal a car and the thig hasn't won against Lamborghini and Ferrari race cars by being slow!
03-09-2012, 09:35 PM
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Half a second for 230bhp dosnt seem alot but over a lap it really is. And as the geometry on the focus is where the wheels fit best, and geometry made the best possible around that. Porsche design a car for a job, the geometry I'd imagine is near to perfect.
Two completely different animals
03-09-2012, 09:37 PM
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Youd need to have the same experienced professional race driver taking out each car to do a fair comparison.
Driver standards can make a huge difference. Not saying AG is slow, but is he likely to be as quick as a full time professional racing driver with lots of recent track time under his belt? I doubt it.
Same in time attack. There was an article in track driver magazine about how generally time attack lacks the same driving standards of other race series exampled by the lap times being considerably lower for the spec of the cars when compared to other similar performance race cars.
Driver standards can make a huge difference. Not saying AG is slow, but is he likely to be as quick as a full time professional racing driver with lots of recent track time under his belt? I doubt it.
Same in time attack. There was an article in track driver magazine about how generally time attack lacks the same driving standards of other race series exampled by the lap times being considerably lower for the spec of the cars when compared to other similar performance race cars.
03-09-2012, 09:46 PM
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i agree nash i'm fucking scottish and started this and please clowns i am using my brain i have seen what the car has done, i am trying to understand and most importantly develop
im sure there are english guys/women who could pedal the ag car just as fast
once again andy built a superfast car that will beat supercars and has destroyed everything on track since, however i did find it questionable for a car i thought had 350hp more on first post but now factually only 230hp to be half a sec quicker, ok it was a small track and the extra hp will show on a bigger track but the porsche is still LIMITED
both cars are big budget with extensive motorsport knowledge and the time taken for what the ag focus achieved with limited testing shows potentially what a great car it is.
im sure there are english guys/women who could pedal the ag car just as fast
once again andy built a superfast car that will beat supercars and has destroyed everything on track since, however i did find it questionable for a car i thought had 350hp more on first post but now factually only 230hp to be half a sec quicker, ok it was a small track and the extra hp will show on a bigger track but the porsche is still LIMITED
both cars are big budget with extensive motorsport knowledge and the time taken for what the ag focus achieved with limited testing shows potentially what a great car it is.
03-09-2012, 09:51 PM
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Before that it was 888's
And why say the record for a saloon car ? Or was that the old steel bodied car ? ie not a spaceframe which is not a saloon car.
03-09-2012, 09:53 PM
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just because a car is 800bhp doesnt mean its very quick compared to a factory built race car on circuit , a 420bhp csl cup will do brands in low 48 secs where Rd birley's very well specced 600+bhp escort cossie only manages to tip into the 49's ,So comparing the focus against a factory porsche cup isnt really a fair way really
03-09-2012, 09:55 PM
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Do Time attack not have to use road legal tyres ? Certainly last year the complaints were with the new Pirelli road legals they had to run.
Before that it was 888's
And why say the record for a saloon car ? Or was that the old steel bodied car ? ie not a spaceframe which is not a saloon car.
Before that it was 888's
And why say the record for a saloon car ? Or was that the old steel bodied car ? ie not a spaceframe which is not a saloon car.
03-09-2012, 09:59 PM
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The pros this year in ta can use slicks, that artical was a complete joke as he didnt mention it was wet when comparing the times and the cars he was talking about had road leagle tyres and not slicks like the race cars he was comparing them too
03-09-2012, 10:04 PM
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03-09-2012, 10:12 PM
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Same in time attack. There was an article in track driver magazine about how generally time attack lacks the same driving standards of other race series exampled by the lap times being considerably lower for the spec of the cars when compared to other similar performance race cars.
04-09-2012, 12:40 PM
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Hi guys,
It's been a while but I recently wrote a small piece on Time Attack in PFord with a mixed bag of responses. My take was very similar to the Track Driver story and in fact I too compared more humble race cars against similar Time Attack versions. I appreciate its not ideal (a head-to-head is always the preferred choice) but the wealth of information available via TSL (http://www.tsl-timing.com/) does provide plenty of useful information including track and weather conditions. I like to think I was very careful when comparing the two but the information is freely available so why not take a look yourselves?
My thoughts/opinions arent that the Time Attack cars are necessarily slow, but rather the progress in finding pace isnt as efficient as racing against other similar paced cars. This is mainly due to the format of the event and is far more evident the further down the time sheet you go. But so long as everybody is having a good time and youre beating your rivals; who cares, right?
Keith
It's been a while but I recently wrote a small piece on Time Attack in PFord with a mixed bag of responses. My take was very similar to the Track Driver story and in fact I too compared more humble race cars against similar Time Attack versions. I appreciate its not ideal (a head-to-head is always the preferred choice) but the wealth of information available via TSL (http://www.tsl-timing.com/) does provide plenty of useful information including track and weather conditions. I like to think I was very careful when comparing the two but the information is freely available so why not take a look yourselves?
My thoughts/opinions arent that the Time Attack cars are necessarily slow, but rather the progress in finding pace isnt as efficient as racing against other similar paced cars. This is mainly due to the format of the event and is far more evident the further down the time sheet you go. But so long as everybody is having a good time and youre beating your rivals; who cares, right?
Keith
04-09-2012, 01:44 PM
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04-09-2012, 03:47 PM
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This is the facts, from the horses mouth.
50.01 is the lap record for a saloon car which was set with 670bhp and a 2ltr bottom end.
Andrew only drove the car at knockhill once with 800bhp in the wet, then sold the car to charlie.
Charlie has never set any decent times and has never claimed to.
Andrew and Charlie are both bored shitless waiting on you english smart ba++rds getting close to the 50.01 and Andrew will be getting a loan of Charlies car to destroy the 50.01 and stop this stupidity.
BRING IT ON BITCHES.........
end of
50.01 is the lap record for a saloon car which was set with 670bhp and a 2ltr bottom end.
Andrew only drove the car at knockhill once with 800bhp in the wet, then sold the car to charlie.
Charlie has never set any decent times and has never claimed to.
Andrew and Charlie are both bored shitless waiting on you english smart ba++rds getting close to the 50.01 and Andrew will be getting a loan of Charlies car to destroy the 50.01 and stop this stupidity.
BRING IT ON BITCHES.........
end of
thanks steven
04-09-2012, 06:02 PM
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Works and plays on track
Race cars setup by race teams will have a significant advantage i guess at Knockhill as its a short twisty circuit that will play in the hands of Handling cars that are setup by professionals (no disrespect to the AG team).
At the quicker circuits eg. Silverstone the AG car i suspect would be much much quicker as the power will really be able to be used.
At the quicker circuits eg. Silverstone the AG car i suspect would be much much quicker as the power will really be able to be used.
04-09-2012, 07:53 PM
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Hi guys,
It's been a while but I recently wrote a small piece on Time Attack in PFord with a mixed bag of responses. My take was very similar to the Track Driver story and in fact I too compared more humble race cars against similar Time Attack versions. I appreciate its not ideal (a head-to-head is always the preferred choice) but the wealth of information available via TSL (http://www.tsl-timing.com/) does provide plenty of useful information including track and weather conditions. I like to think I was very careful when comparing the two but the information is freely available so why not take a look yourselves?
My thoughts/opinions arent that the Time Attack cars are necessarily slow, but rather the progress in finding pace isnt as efficient as racing against other similar paced cars. This is mainly due to the format of the event and is far more evident the further down the time sheet you go. But so long as everybody is having a good time and youre beating your rivals; who cares, right?
Keith
It's been a while but I recently wrote a small piece on Time Attack in PFord with a mixed bag of responses. My take was very similar to the Track Driver story and in fact I too compared more humble race cars against similar Time Attack versions. I appreciate its not ideal (a head-to-head is always the preferred choice) but the wealth of information available via TSL (http://www.tsl-timing.com/) does provide plenty of useful information including track and weather conditions. I like to think I was very careful when comparing the two but the information is freely available so why not take a look yourselves?
My thoughts/opinions arent that the Time Attack cars are necessarily slow, but rather the progress in finding pace isnt as efficient as racing against other similar paced cars. This is mainly due to the format of the event and is far more evident the further down the time sheet you go. But so long as everybody is having a good time and youre beating your rivals; who cares, right?
Keith
Christ man, where do you get off writing that load of offensive bollocks with so many inaccuracies it questions whether or not ANY person (including yourself) is conscious during these events?!?! If your aim was to get your unsubstantiated drivel across to more than just those in the Ford scene, well congrats! You managed to piss off and belittle every competitive driver who had the misfortune of reading your pile of shite during the Anglesey stage. Not one person could read halfway before going red in the face with anger.
You sir, are trully a talented writer
04-09-2012, 09:23 PM
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Probably right though, majority of fastest laps in circuit racing are set during the race (which never really should be as you very rarely get a perfect lap with space around you)
Where as in Time Attack not competitively racing within a group of cars I imagine drivers find it hard to push themselves when compared with a circuit race.
Where as in Time Attack not competitively racing within a group of cars I imagine drivers find it hard to push themselves when compared with a circuit race.
04-09-2012, 10:45 PM
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Probably right though, majority of fastest laps in circuit racing are set during the race (which never really should be as you very rarely get a perfect lap with space around you)
Where as in Time Attack not competitively racing within a group of cars I imagine drivers find it hard to push themselves when compared with a circuit race.
Where as in Time Attack not competitively racing within a group of cars I imagine drivers find it hard to push themselves when compared with a circuit race.
Ben
Ps I still can't believe how much some of the time attack cars cost (I believe the cost I just can't believe the cash thrown at them!)... I wonder how much a season of Clio cup racing costs (a question, genuinely don't know!), for side by side fast and fun racing, tv coverage and the chance to stuff it up the outside of nick Hamilton?!
05-09-2012, 12:30 AM
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Is Andrew classed as a pro driver ?
He is a bit more than a weekend racer
Touring car driver Liam griffin is the owner of Addison lee,,, I wouldn't really look at him as a pro driver but a real life version of a man living his real life dreams
Don't Andrew actually do rallying and his business based around that or am I completely mistaken, never me the bloke but is he living the dream or does it pay his wages winning rallys ect ?
Either way seeing him perform is class as he has skills I would dream of
As for time attack,,,,, it's something I not really get apart from business for tuners,,, i would rather spend 80k playing with clios or even better ginettas doing what I think is "real racing" like lemans or touring cars but then again it's a different format like football and rugby perhaps
He is a bit more than a weekend racer
Touring car driver Liam griffin is the owner of Addison lee,,, I wouldn't really look at him as a pro driver but a real life version of a man living his real life dreams
Don't Andrew actually do rallying and his business based around that or am I completely mistaken, never me the bloke but is he living the dream or does it pay his wages winning rallys ect ?
Either way seeing him perform is class as he has skills I would dream of
As for time attack,,,,, it's something I not really get apart from business for tuners,,, i would rather spend 80k playing with clios or even better ginettas doing what I think is "real racing" like lemans or touring cars but then again it's a different format like football and rugby perhaps
05-09-2012, 09:30 AM
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Probably right though, majority of fastest laps in circuit racing are set during the race (which never really should be as you very rarely get a perfect lap with space around you)
Where as in Time Attack not competitively racing within a group of cars I imagine drivers find it hard to push themselves when compared with a circuit race.
Where as in Time Attack not competitively racing within a group of cars I imagine drivers find it hard to push themselves when compared with a circuit race.
05-09-2012, 09:56 AM
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Very quick car, be better if someone could post the proper stats instead of speculating on old data, not that it actually matters at the end of the day as it's just a hobby and a track lap time, I don't see why people get so wound up about it or can't see past the blinkers sometimes, just enjoy it for what it is.
I would be very surprised to see the focus slower than the Porsche on track, but, the original point was that it has loads more power but isn't twice as fast, it's never that simple though, oranges will never be the same as apples!
I would be very surprised to see the focus slower than the Porsche on track, but, the original point was that it has loads more power but isn't twice as fast, it's never that simple though, oranges will never be the same as apples!
05-09-2012, 08:21 PM
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I can say it to circuit racers all day long and they'll agree, whether or not a TA competitor will I don't know.
Be interesting to see over a season how much TA actually costs, including rental/build of a car.
I can only really see it being any good as an advertisement for tuners.
Be interesting to see over a season how much TA actually costs, including rental/build of a car.
I can only really see it being any good as an advertisement for tuners.
05-09-2012, 10:01 PM
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I can say it to circuit racers all day long and they'll agree, whether or not a TA competitor will I don't know.
Be interesting to see over a season how much TA actually costs, including rental/build of a car.
I can only really see it being any good as an advertisement for tuners.
Be interesting to see over a season how much TA actually costs, including rental/build of a car.
I can only really see it being any good as an advertisement for tuners.
While not every time attack competitor is a pro driver, it's all about getting out there and doing it - and to knock the ability of some of the cars and drivers is completely and utterly missing the point of the series. (not that you're doing that)
As for Andy's car (now Charlies) it's one of the fastest tin top circuit race cars in the country. I've seen it beat a Radical around Oulton Park, and personally timed it getting to 60mph in under 3 seconds in the pouring rain at Brunters. It's an utterly savage car and I'm surprised that anyone's doubting its performance.
05-09-2012, 10:03 PM
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unfortunately the ag focus was a one-off and lacks the development and i feel maybe the bigger teams should bow down pass on the cash and let us see an ag focus cup