ag motorsport focus is it really quick or not
06-09-2012, 05:48 AM
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The reason fastest laps are generally set during races is because that's when they're officially timed. It's rare for race series (other than F1) to have timed qualifying. Given a clear lap, plenty of time and a light fuel load a race car would surely put in its best performance.
While not every time attack competitor is a pro driver, it's all about getting out there and doing it - and to knock the ability of some of the cars and drivers is completely and utterly missing the point of the series. (not that you're doing that)
As for Andy's car (now Charlies) it's one of the fastest tin top circuit race cars in the country. I've seen it beat a Radical around Oulton Park, and personally timed it getting to 60mph in under 3 seconds in the pouring rain at Brunters. It's an utterly savage car and I'm surprised that anyone's doubting its performance.
While not every time attack competitor is a pro driver, it's all about getting out there and doing it - and to knock the ability of some of the cars and drivers is completely and utterly missing the point of the series. (not that you're doing that)
As for Andy's car (now Charlies) it's one of the fastest tin top circuit race cars in the country. I've seen it beat a Radical around Oulton Park, and personally timed it getting to 60mph in under 3 seconds in the pouring rain at Brunters. It's an utterly savage car and I'm surprised that anyone's doubting its performance.
Dan your wrong, all circuit racing qualifying is timed that how we determine our grid position we ( and most other club championships) race in double headers so your 2 fastest laps in qualifying determine your grid positions for the 2 races
we ( circuit racers) tend to set our fastest laps during a race not qualifying as we can get pulled along by a car a few feet from us on track for the whole lap this doesn't happen in time attack
Steve
06-09-2012, 06:05 AM
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Dan your wrong, all circuit racing qualifying is timed that how we determine our grid position we ( and most other club championships) race in double headers so your 2 fastest laps in qualifying determine your grid positions for the 2 races
we ( circuit racers) tend to set our fastest laps during a race not qualifying as we can get pulled along by a car a few feet from us on track for the whole lap this doesn't happen in time attack
Steve
we ( circuit racers) tend to set our fastest laps during a race not qualifying as we can get pulled along by a car a few feet from us on track for the whole lap this doesn't happen in time attack
Steve
Steady Steve he will get all stroppy
thing is time attack is very well promoted unlike most club racing and that simply the reason why big tuners do it .Ive done several sprints and although you are being timmed it just doesnt have the same feel as whel to wheel racing
06-09-2012, 07:09 AM
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This is the facts, from the horses mouth.
50.01 is the lap record for a saloon car which was set with 670bhp and a 2ltr bottom end.
Andrew only drove the car at knockhill once with 800bhp in the wet, then sold the car to charlie.
Charlie has never set any decent times and has never claimed to.
Andrew and Charlie are both bored shitless waiting on you english smart ba++rds getting close to the 50.01 and Andrew will be getting a loan of Charlies car to destroy the 50.01 and stop this stupidity.
BRING IT ON BITCHES.........
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50.01 is the lap record for a saloon car which was set with 670bhp and a 2ltr bottom end.
Andrew only drove the car at knockhill once with 800bhp in the wet, then sold the car to charlie.
Charlie has never set any decent times and has never claimed to.
Andrew and Charlie are both bored shitless waiting on you english smart ba++rds getting close to the 50.01 and Andrew will be getting a loan of Charlies car to destroy the 50.01 and stop this stupidity.
BRING IT ON BITCHES.........
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06-09-2012, 10:45 AM
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I find the comments about time attack interesting. Some of the most exiting close racing is against the clock (tt,wrc). I've raced for years in many different classes and a single lap is so much harder than being pulled round by others. Time attack offers something very different from any other formula and allows track day car owners use there cars under the clock rather than round and round. I know how much I've invested in my car and would not want to be along side an over exited mr wood as he tries to push me off to gain a place.
As for Andys car, jim hit the nail on the head. It does what it can with the wheels where they are. All classes are are compromise defined by regulations and that's what Andy built the car to. I still don't believe we have seen the best out of the car and Andy does not proclaim to be the best driver in the world either. The two cars will be stronger in different areas and I don't think can really be compared as there two very different things. Interesting topic and good to see people's views.
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As for Andys car, jim hit the nail on the head. It does what it can with the wheels where they are. All classes are are compromise defined by regulations and that's what Andy built the car to. I still don't believe we have seen the best out of the car and Andy does not proclaim to be the best driver in the world either. The two cars will be stronger in different areas and I don't think can really be compared as there two very different things. Interesting topic and good to see people's views.
Ollie Hampton
2013 qtime attack 2wd pro class competitor (lol sorry had to put it given the topic)
06-09-2012, 12:05 PM
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I find the comments about time attack interesting. Some of the most exiting close racing is against the clock (tt,wrc). I've raced for years in many different classes and a single lap is so much harder than being pulled round by others. Time attack offers something very different from any other formula and allows track day car owners use there cars under the clock rather than round and round. I know how much I've invested in my car and would not want to be along side an over exited mr wood as he tries to push me off to gain a place.
As for Andys car, jim hit the nail on the head. It does what it can with the wheels where they are. All classes are are compromise defined by regulations and that's what Andy built the car to. I still don't believe we have seen the best out of the car and Andy does not proclaim to be the best driver in the world either. The two cars will be stronger in different areas and I don't think can really be compared as there two very different things. Interesting topic and good to see people's views.
Ollie Hampton
2013 qtime attack 2wd pro class competitor (lol sorry had to put it given the topic)
As for Andys car, jim hit the nail on the head. It does what it can with the wheels where they are. All classes are are compromise defined by regulations and that's what Andy built the car to. I still don't believe we have seen the best out of the car and Andy does not proclaim to be the best driver in the world either. The two cars will be stronger in different areas and I don't think can really be compared as there two very different things. Interesting topic and good to see people's views.
Ollie Hampton
2013 qtime attack 2wd pro class competitor (lol sorry had to put it given the topic)
It's all subjective so everyone's opinion is as valid and weighty as the next mans on this but to me TA is like the worlds worst track day in terms of excitement and value... If I turned up to a track day to drive and I was the only one driving round and round the circuit I'd go home.
Still, to get it back on topic I suppose the question is would ag's / TA cars or dare i say it drivers in general be "faster" / get faster quicker if they were racing in a championship? There's only one way to find out, any takers from the TA contingent?
Ben
06-09-2012, 02:12 PM
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Focus cosworth. Looking forward to it mate. Will be at snett talking to the organisers and having a look at the other cars in class.
Ben how about you come and try time attack and do a report on it for real. Build a competitive car which you've put hard work and effort into and see how you fair. As I said I've done door to door with people and am sick and tired of picking up the bills for being wiped out by people that have run out of talent. Why pf would put such an article in there mag is beyond me. Most of its readership has an interest in track days. As for exitement I'd much rather watch 500-1000bhp cars battle for grip and push for lap times than see an mg pop a head gasket. I think the point is enjoy what you do and keep Motorsport alive in the uk.
Ben how about you come and try time attack and do a report on it for real. Build a competitive car which you've put hard work and effort into and see how you fair. As I said I've done door to door with people and am sick and tired of picking up the bills for being wiped out by people that have run out of talent. Why pf would put such an article in there mag is beyond me. Most of its readership has an interest in track days. As for exitement I'd much rather watch 500-1000bhp cars battle for grip and push for lap times than see an mg pop a head gasket. I think the point is enjoy what you do and keep Motorsport alive in the uk.
06-09-2012, 06:24 PM
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Focus cosworth. Looking forward to it mate. Will be at snett talking to the organisers and having a look at the other cars in class.
Ben how about you come and try time attack and do a report on it for real. Build a competitive car which you've put hard work and effort into and see how you fair. As I said I've done door to door with people and am sick and tired of picking up the bills for being wiped out by people that have run out of talent. Why pf would put such an article in there mag is beyond me. Most of its readership has an interest in track days. As for exitement I'd much rather watch 500-1000bhp cars battle for grip and push for lap times than see an mg pop a head gasket. I think the point is enjoy what you do and keep Motorsport alive in the uk.
Ben how about you come and try time attack and do a report on it for real. Build a competitive car which you've put hard work and effort into and see how you fair. As I said I've done door to door with people and am sick and tired of picking up the bills for being wiped out by people that have run out of talent. Why pf would put such an article in there mag is beyond me. Most of its readership has an interest in track days. As for exitement I'd much rather watch 500-1000bhp cars battle for grip and push for lap times than see an mg pop a head gasket. I think the point is enjoy what you do and keep Motorsport alive in the uk.
Being honest? I would genuinely rather do a track day or go fishing, but as you rightly say "do what you enjoy" - all power to you guys getting your rocks off in TA an long may it continue... Would rather there be a place for people to have a go safely than doing "hot laps" of the Sutton one way system!
For me a drive in TA would be like having Kelly brook, charlize theron and Megan fox in my bedroom demanding a good hard rogering, but me going into the bathroom and having a wank in the sink whilst watching myself in the mirror.
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06-09-2012, 08:49 PM
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Only original ones from when it was a road car. Not much left of how it used to be. 500 plus hp, glebe box and a few other bits here and there. It's a known car on here from a couple of years ago. You boys and Ron going up to pro class next year? I'm not allowed in club which is a shame but looking forward to the challenge. I'll pop over and have a chat mate.
06-09-2012, 09:01 PM
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it offended ta drivers so only those didnt agree lol
it is not racing
it isnt a fully reconised msa serires
youl only need a sprint licence so just send your form in in and your in ! no ards test or medicals !
but if people enjoy it then good for them
and as far as a real race series being a banger race well the whole lt has been cleaned up with people getting either points on there licences or a race ban or up to a season ban there are a good few cars that are 10's of thousands of pounds they dont want to be crashed into the same as the normal man with his budget race car
06-09-2012, 09:12 PM
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I will some up this thread.
Q. Is the AG focus really that fast
A. YES!!! Its a fuckiong flyer!!
And, porsche are a large manufacture with several times the budget and a hell of a lot more development that what Andrew will ever be able to manage, so there.
Close the thread!!
Q. Is the AG focus really that fast
A. YES!!! Its a fuckiong flyer!!
And, porsche are a large manufacture with several times the budget and a hell of a lot more development that what Andrew will ever be able to manage, so there.
Close the thread!!
07-09-2012, 03:17 PM
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Dan your wrong, all circuit racing qualifying is timed that how we determine our grid position we ( and most other club championships) race in double headers so your 2 fastest laps in qualifying determine your grid positions for the 2 races
we ( circuit racers) tend to set our fastest laps during a race not qualifying as we can get pulled along by a car a few feet from us on track for the whole lap this doesn't happen in time attack
Steve
we ( circuit racers) tend to set our fastest laps during a race not qualifying as we can get pulled along by a car a few feet from us on track for the whole lap this doesn't happen in time attack
Steve
07-09-2012, 08:12 PM
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yes lets nit pick there has been a few but never identical and this has been the ag/charlie relationship for years, there was an andrew prototype which andrew sold to charlie then he decided to go one step further until ag pulled out, since then what has happened.
gjh I will some up this thread.
Q. Is the AG focus really fast or not
A. not, seriously no one can say its not fast but u can say its not really fast anymore as there has been no development allowing everyone else to catch up
close the thread as the charlie wheel licker cleaners are going to commit suicide
for the anti-english posts correct me if im wrong but surely the reyland escort was better
gjh I will some up this thread.
Q. Is the AG focus really fast or not
A. not, seriously no one can say its not fast but u can say its not really fast anymore as there has been no development allowing everyone else to catch up
close the thread as the charlie wheel licker cleaners are going to commit suicide
for the anti-english posts correct me if im wrong but surely the reyland escort was better
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09-09-2012, 09:47 AM
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yes lets nit pick there has been a few but never identical and this has been the ag/charlie relationship for years, there was an andrew prototype which andrew sold to charlie then he decided to go one step further until ag pulled out, since then what has happened.
gjh I will some up this thread.
Q. Is the AG focus really fast or not
A. not, seriously no one can say its not fast but u can say its not really fast anymore as there has been no development allowing everyone else to catch up
close the thread as the charlie wheel licker cleaners are going to commit suicide
for the anti-english posts correct me if im wrong but surely the reyland escort was better
gjh I will some up this thread.
Q. Is the AG focus really fast or not
A. not, seriously no one can say its not fast but u can say its not really fast anymore as there has been no development allowing everyone else to catch up
close the thread as the charlie wheel licker cleaners are going to commit suicide
for the anti-english posts correct me if im wrong but surely the reyland escort was better
Are you out of your fucking mind!!!! Its mega fast, the lap times prove it!!! The video of it showing up a superbike proves it! The fact Dan has posted that he recorded it doing 0-60 in less than 3 seconds IN THE WET proves it!!! How much more evidance do you want? The reyland cossie better? Maybe, but it wasn't faster (I doubt it anyway, not saying its slow, just not quite as fast as the AG car)
09-09-2012, 11:15 AM
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The reyland car had many chances to compete against the focus but never did to my knowledge Andrew n Charlie travel'd up and down the country doing most track's/events never to meet reyland or a few of the other high powered cars of that time.
09-09-2012, 11:19 AM
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So your point is ?
09-09-2012, 03:01 PM
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09-09-2012, 03:49 PM
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i have been in the carbon one with lesser engine and i have never been in or on anything as fast i have had r1,s and gsxr1000,s and that focus made them feel slow
is it fast hell yeh