bigz2345

m3 aint quicker than a stage 3 cossie! NO WAY! i have been there and done it

DAN P

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Not bitter at all mate just think the m3 is a better car you take most 500 bhp cossie on track and see what happens LOL

PileOfRust

Yeah they're absolute shit ain't they .....

Standard vs standard the m3 would kill it

Spend the same money on the m3 as you would on the saph and I'd bet the m3 would still beat it

Can't compare modified vs standard

RWD_cossie_wil

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But equally you can't compare a car that is 15 years newer & was 50k to a Cossie?

PileOfRust

True, people still do though

lee2cossies

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Have the answer! Coming back from a rolling road a few weeks back Harvey Gibbs built 500hp saff and a m3 e46 m3. The Cossie destroyed it. But as said already is pretty un fair to compare due to power difference. The m3 looked amazing tho and can see the appeal with them as their a great all rounder.
Not all cossies are un reliable tho, the ones that are seem to be messed with by people who don't know what their doing, blow them up and get very bitter about them afterwards!

chrisa3

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I've just moved from a stage 3 rwd saff which was RR'd by the new owner @ 307 bhp at the wheels (if i remember correctly) and bought a e36 M3 Evo which was RR'd @ 319 bhp. All I can say is, the M3 was a brilliant car, but.... I had the saff for two happy fun years, I sold the M3 after 5 weeks of ownership!.

cossie4i+

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But you would need to spend a lot more than the £500 or £600 on a M3 to gain 120ish bhp lol

Steve

scoooby slayer

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one of them electric ebay filter fans on the m3 would nail it lol

Mr S1

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Bell. End.

Cosworth Lad

Doh then you compare e30 m3 with a standard saph besides you would need a lot more to spend on the e46 m3 then a saph lol

Cosworth Lad

Doh then you compare e30 m3 with a standard saph besides you would need a lot more to spend on the e46 m3 then a saph lol I've had a go with few not one all the same tbh like I said overrated shit lol

RichardPON

Probably because most of us on there started on here!

TIFF

Indeed Rich..............lol..........

Mike1

I think Ford dropped the ball a little after the Cosworths by not making a similar replacement.
BMW had a natural sort of replacement for owners wanting to move on with the E36//E46 M3s so not surprising that ex-owners have gone for them or the Impreza/Lancer route.
Even now I think stuff like the 135i/335i ( and perhaps the new M3 coming with the turbo 6 engine ) are the nearest type of thing ( with the exception of the Jap cars above ) you get to the old rwd Cosworths - tuneable and fit 4 people in.
Imagine if Ford had done the 1M coupe ( or something very similar ) and badged it as an RS - would have been a great halo car and a modern-day take perhaps on the old Cosworth. I think a lot of 'M-car fans' even looked down on it and thought of it as not a 'proper' M-car.
Stuff like the new M135i seems appealing as I'm sure it will be slightly tuneable/modifiable. I'm not keen on the hatch looks but in a coupe shell ( or even small 4-door ) they look an interesting proposition especially at only 30k new

Rod-Tarry

Whys that, budget builds i agree. I ran my Cossie at 500bhp for 4 years did 27k miles & it never missed a beat. 0-60 4.6 : 0-100 8.1 : 11.8 @ 127 qtr : 183.27 max recorded by mags, would need a lot of Power in a BMW to get on terms with that . My son had an M3 evo not good or reliable. Mind you isnt a 325i with a chip able to beat anything on the road .

booner999

I love the 1M. Just hope some survive the thiefing bastards we have out there at the moment

gjh

1st time in a bit I'm loving Rods post! You tell 'em Rod!!!

rog

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I've quoted the original question because some people are getting confused, how I don't know but it seems to happen on here...a lot.

Anyway, no it wouldn't, unless you go throwing in ridiculous hypothetical occurances like "what if the cossie had a broken clutch cable". Utterly pointless comparison, anyone that knows anything about anything, at all, ever, will know it's not even a question worth asking or arguing about.

p.s I LOVE E46 M3's

Cossiemainful

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Dunno nothing about the cars in the vid if they are standard or not but they are dead even.

S3an

having owned both at the same time i can say there is nothing in it till about 80 then the M3 comes into its comfort zone, 360bhp escos, 343bhp M3. I can imagine a 500 bhp escos will be quicker than the standard M3.

TIFF

R5FORD

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I hope your not saying all M3's are overrted and sound like a "cat getting boned".. BMW made a hugeeeee leap from the E46 to the E92.. The E46 was an anazing car what does that make the E92

R4N SS

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I wiped the floor racing my cousins e46 m3 in my 3dr - I was only on low boost at 18psi and went past him like he was standing still, once the turbo got going. He couldn't believe it either

costina

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used to eat M3 e46 bm's in my cortina with 328bhp

booner999

I used to eat BMW's with my knife and fork

fuzzy

im not sure but a 325i with a stage 3 cosworth engine can beat pretty much most of the cars itll come across on a daily basis.

turbotoaster

Does all anybody on here care about is in a straight line?

if so of course a 340bhp/1550kg car is going to be slower than a 500bhp/1350kg car.........its not rocket science.

The difference is when it comes to the corners/track days.

some people say you cant compare then because one is modified and one is standard, that I partially agree with.

But the easiest way to sort this out is a budget, that way, you are comparing like for like.

Say your given 7k to spend.

You buy an e46 m3 for £6500, leave the chassis standard, get an air filter and a remap, should give you a genuine 345bhp
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nice-Origi...item2ebff9105c

The for the cosworth, you choose something like this(but with interior)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sapph...item35be150bfa

now in a straight line, yes the cosworth will be faster, in the corners i would say the m3 will be faster, on a track day with straights and corners, thats where it gets tricky.


And this is what we should comparing

If we compare like for like power, cosworth people complain its not fair as a m3 will cost more.

You can have a 500bhp m3 for £12000, £7000 for a car and £5000 for the supercharger kit.

Im not really up on cosworth prices at the moment but im guessing a 500bhp one is about £11,000? so not alot of difference there.

In that regards I would say the M3 is a better buy.


Are we really just comparing a standard m3 to a monster cosworth only in a straight line?

fuzzy

no. the pub argument was that he said his standard m3 would beat a 500bhp cosworth. thats as simple as it gets. no issues with corners,straights,similar budget costs,tuning or whatever. just simply that the guy said his standard m3 would beat a 500bhp cosworth.
i dont think it would , even around a bend after all a "properly sorted" 500bhp cosworth isnt likely to be on standard suspension, brakes or running gear..

rsnissan

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This ^^^

I had a 440 BHP RWD cossie and while my M3 would destroy it in the lanes the simple fact is the M3 would not see where it went by the time I got out of third gear on the motorway.

I can watch TV in the M3 while losing though

bigz2345

raced many of them and the last one i raced i had to wave goodbye to him. . he said he couldnt believe it and that his car was shit power wise compared to mine .. i felt sorry for him tbh he paid 12k for it and said he cant beleive my 20 year old car still savaged it ! yes they are a fantastic car all round but dont try to compare it to a car that is STILL a beast from the early 90s..with 20years of making it yet even faster! made him feel like an idiot

lee2cossies

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Why bother with an m3 or a cosworth when u can buy an rx7 and make it do 200mph so cheap and easy.

R5FORD

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Lol supercharge the M3 then it will be diffrent.. Cant see why people dont understand it.. A modded cossie is very quick.. A standard M3 isnt slow by any standards but compared to a modded 2.0l turbo weighing 1300kg it is.. Supercharge the M3 and you have more of a fight.

James B

Looool!!!