New MOT Requirements
03-01-2012, 12:06 PM
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New MOT Requirements
Just been chatting with a mate at the MOT station and 2012 is going to be a bad year. Allegedly my Car will fail its MOT as it is modified, modified suspension, modified brakes without a certificate of approval, Non Standard engine, Non standard management etc. He is in the process of downloading and going through all the updates. One thing he mentioned as well was HIDs, my RS doesn't have them but my Van does, apparantly that will be an MOT failure if the lights aren't self levelling and CE approved for HIDs.
Looks like my RS is going to have to be trailered to track and Ford Fair etc now
Whats your info on this
Looks like my RS is going to have to be trailered to track and Ford Fair etc now
Whats your info on this
03-01-2012, 12:16 PM
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How can they police aftermarket management or remapped management?
The HID's thing is old news, they have always needed self leveling and also washers for an MOT pass.
If it was true there would be a huge push from the DVLA to tell everyone or are thousands of people going to have to pay for putting their car back to standard?
Where and who will have to certify the mods?
The HID's thing is old news, they have always needed self leveling and also washers for an MOT pass.
If it was true there would be a huge push from the DVLA to tell everyone or are thousands of people going to have to pay for putting their car back to standard?
Where and who will have to certify the mods?
03-01-2012, 12:26 PM
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Sounds like your mate at the MOT Station needs to learn to interpret the manual correctly. Just because you fit bigger calipers and discs does not make it an "inappropriate modification to the braking system" which is the rfr. Also HID's have never been part of the test before
03-01-2012, 12:29 PM
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Latest handbook issued 1st Jan
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...n%20Manual.pdf
HID requirements
"Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system.
Where such systems are fitted, they must work;"
So nothing about not being able to retro fit them or type approval, only that if washers etc are fitted they have to work
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...n%20Manual.pdf
HID requirements
"Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system.
Where such systems are fitted, they must work;"
So nothing about not being able to retro fit them or type approval, only that if washers etc are fitted they have to work
03-01-2012, 12:29 PM
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That link says to me that they are getting tougher on people rather than new laws. Its only highlighting what is already done with regard to wiring (visual checks?), body tyre clearance, blacked out windows etc.
The biggest problem is the engine mods, may just mean that parts have to be TuV approved may be? But how will they check your pistons for example?
ECU's? They will never sort that as I can put mine to standard before an MoT if needed.
Aftermarket management is safe from what that says as there is nothing on it.
More about manufacturers getting an arse on with people breaking into the ECU or what ever its called.
The biggest problem is the engine mods, may just mean that parts have to be TuV approved may be? But how will they check your pistons for example?
ECU's? They will never sort that as I can put mine to standard before an MoT if needed.
Aftermarket management is safe from what that says as there is nothing on it.
More about manufacturers getting an arse on with people breaking into the ECU or what ever its called.
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03-01-2012, 12:34 PM
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Manual only states that
"If an engine has been modified in any way, it still has to meet the exhaust emission requirements according to the age of the vehicle."
"If an engine has been modified in any way, it still has to meet the exhaust emission requirements according to the age of the vehicle."
03-01-2012, 01:57 PM
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The EU wanted our MoTs to include 'illegal engine modification', but seeing as engine mods aren't illegal over here, they've had to drop it.
HIDs ARE a fail unless your car has self levelling, glass lenses, and headlight washers.
But brakes and suspension etc are subject to the usual checks.
HIDs ARE a fail unless your car has self levelling, glass lenses, and headlight washers.
But brakes and suspension etc are subject to the usual checks.
03-01-2012, 08:59 PM
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The EU wanted our MoTs to include 'illegal engine modification', but seeing as engine mods aren't illegal over here, they've had to drop it.
HIDs ARE a fail unless your car has self levelling, glass lenses, and headlight washers.
But brakes and suspension etc are subject to the usual checks.
HIDs ARE a fail unless your car has self levelling, glass lenses, and headlight washers.
But brakes and suspension etc are subject to the usual checks.
03-01-2012, 09:13 PM
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The EU wanted our MoTs to include 'illegal engine modification', but seeing as engine mods aren't illegal over here, they've had to drop it.
HIDs ARE a fail unless your car has self levelling, glass lenses, and headlight washers.
But brakes and suspension etc are subject to the usual checks.
HIDs ARE a fail unless your car has self levelling, glass lenses, and headlight washers.
But brakes and suspension etc are subject to the usual checks.
And as much as aftermarket HID's are for faggots. There are many OEM fit HID's that do not have headlight washers.
So there is still a bit of a grey area there.
03-01-2012, 09:25 PM
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How could they tell a std suspension from a koni setup if either are caked in road shit? Couldn't do it by ride height... I must admit it worries me these government wankers will bring out some stupid rules sooner or later, to make modified cars harder get through a MOT.
03-01-2012, 09:37 PM
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How could they tell a std suspension from a koni setup if either are caked in road shit? Couldn't do it by ride height... I must admit it worries me these government wankers will bring out some stupid rules sooner or later, to make modified cars harder get through a MOT.
Some I'm amazed havent been on the mainland MOT.
But it is only a matter of time before the re-work the entire system to make everything illegal, until we pay a fine to make it legal.
Some of the changes regarding CEL lights etc could render perfectly good and safe cars beyond economical repair.
Perhaps it's just more of their strategy to keep their road network only for those who are prepared to pay the most.
Whether in road/fuel taxes, or fines for the privilege of getting to pay to use the roads.
03-01-2012, 09:45 PM
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03-01-2012, 09:53 PM
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Another wave of classics crushed if this is all true and enforced 
In New zealand im sure they measure the distance from the lowest point of the chassis to the tarmac to determine if illegal or not on ride height...something like 30cm iirc., see it on there version of traffic cops,,not looking good for us old skoolers as always...
Might be wrong though
In New zealand im sure they measure the distance from the lowest point of the chassis to the tarmac to determine if illegal or not on ride height...something like 30cm iirc., see it on there version of traffic cops,,not looking good for us old skoolers as always...
Might be wrong though
03-01-2012, 10:22 PM
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hey peeps im an mot tester and can say i havent heard about this so isnt true, as said before hid lights are old hat, and any exhaust that make a sound louder than a standard system is an rfr. but there are alot more rules in force now, ill try and remember some of them
battery insecure
engine and gearbox mounts
any suspension dust cover split/missing
inner cv boots split/insecure
dash lights have to work
speedo has to work
engine management and airbag lights on
tow bar electrics have to work
all doors have to open and close from inside and out
fuel pipes are now testable
there are loads others i cant remember but vosa say its on a 2week bedding in period and all failures can also be advised if unsure, which gives testers time to get used to the new rules and system layout change
also found out if a coil spring is fractured at the top or bottom but is still safe is now just an advisory
battery insecure
engine and gearbox mounts
any suspension dust cover split/missing
inner cv boots split/insecure
dash lights have to work
speedo has to work
engine management and airbag lights on
tow bar electrics have to work
all doors have to open and close from inside and out
fuel pipes are now testable
there are loads others i cant remember but vosa say its on a 2week bedding in period and all failures can also be advised if unsure, which gives testers time to get used to the new rules and system layout change
also found out if a coil spring is fractured at the top or bottom but is still safe is now just an advisory
04-01-2012, 08:18 AM
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The speedo thing concerns me.
An awful lot of rally cars don't have them, and have never had them. Mine certainly won't be having one, as it will be barely be used on the road, and if it is, I'll just plug a sat nav in so I have a speedo.
Is it the case that if it's fitted, it must work? Or does it now have to have one?
An awful lot of rally cars don't have them, and have never had them. Mine certainly won't be having one, as it will be barely be used on the road, and if it is, I'll just plug a sat nav in so I have a speedo.
Is it the case that if it's fitted, it must work? Or does it now have to have one?
04-01-2012, 08:25 AM
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The MOT tests the condition of the vehicle NOT the specification, its a totally inappropriate platform for policing modifications as the MOT testers dont have the required info they would need in order to know if non standard parts were fitted in the first place.
I do agree completely in principle with a TUV type approval system over here, but they wont be able to achieve it by just tacking a few extra rules onto the MOT.
I do agree completely in principle with a TUV type approval system over here, but they wont be able to achieve it by just tacking a few extra rules onto the MOT.
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04-01-2012, 10:37 AM
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I suppose it will just come down to that as always, and being careful about doing stuff that's obviously wrong. I suppose it might at least mean a few more of these pricks get pulled up for having their rear lights tinted so much that you can't see their brake lights or indicators.
04-01-2012, 06:49 PM
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A lot of it is common sense stuff, such as fluid levels etc.. anyone not capable of checking things themselves can find a good reliable garage that will do a pre mot inspection for next to nothing. I know a handful locally that do it from Ł10.
I've read through bits i can think it would state it using the link above and also looked on other sites such as the AA that have covered the changes and i can't see anywhere that states the engine management light is now covered. All i can find is the PAS/Airbag/ABS lights mentioned. My light comes on now and again and has no bearing on how the car runs and has passed the last 2 MOT with it on and no adverse effect on emissions. It was an advisory last year though. If anyone can point me in the direction of where it states it i'll sort out mine before the next mot.
I've read through bits i can think it would state it using the link above and also looked on other sites such as the AA that have covered the changes and i can't see anywhere that states the engine management light is now covered. All i can find is the PAS/Airbag/ABS lights mentioned. My light comes on now and again and has no bearing on how the car runs and has passed the last 2 MOT with it on and no adverse effect on emissions. It was an advisory last year though. If anyone can point me in the direction of where it states it i'll sort out mine before the next mot.
04-01-2012, 08:02 PM
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The speedo thing concerns me.
An awful lot of rally cars don't have them, and have never had them. Mine certainly won't be having one, as it will be barely be used on the road, and if it is, I'll just plug a sat nav in so I have a speedo.
Is it the case that if it's fitted, it must work? Or does it now have to have one?
An awful lot of rally cars don't have them, and have never had them. Mine certainly won't be having one, as it will be barely be used on the road, and if it is, I'll just plug a sat nav in so I have a speedo.
Is it the case that if it's fitted, it must work? Or does it now have to have one?
Cars here must have a working speedo, they must have an odometer and the speedo must have the ability to display both mph and kph.
And that's pretty much been in force for years.
And I'm sure construction and use laws which do matter will state a working speedo and odometer to make the car legal.
Even the likes of the Dash2 LCD dash had a fixed non resettable odometer which made it legal for road use.
04-01-2012, 08:14 PM
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The speedo thing concerns me.
An awful lot of rally cars don't have them, and have never had them. Mine certainly won't be having one, as it will be barely be used on the road, and if it is, I'll just plug a sat nav in so I have a speedo.
Is it the case that if it's fitted, it must work? Or does it now have to have one?
An awful lot of rally cars don't have them, and have never had them. Mine certainly won't be having one, as it will be barely be used on the road, and if it is, I'll just plug a sat nav in so I have a speedo.
Is it the case that if it's fitted, it must work? Or does it now have to have one?
1.
Speedometer not fitted. (It says speedometer, I doubt they will class Sat nav as a speedometer)
2.
Speedometer incomplete, clearly inoperative or the dial glass broken or missing.
3.
The speedometer cannot be illuminated.
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04-01-2012, 09:53 PM
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As for the working. Doubtful this will ever be checked unless there is a reason to do so.. But an obvious telltale of it not working is a zero'd trip. Plus last years mileage being the same as the year before lol
If that's spotted it should of course fail. And over here, the very first thing they ask you...is the mileage so it can be logged on their system
If that's spotted it should of course fail. And over here, the very first thing they ask you...is the mileage so it can be logged on their system
05-01-2012, 08:56 AM
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Took my Mondeo for the MoT this morning. Was a bit worried as it's got a de-cat. As it's diesel it didn't need one previously, but the new regs state that a reason for rejection is "A catalytic converter missing where one was fitted as standard".
They either didn't check it, or it's not in force yet, but it passed!
They either didn't check it, or it's not in force yet, but it passed!
05-01-2012, 09:19 AM
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Took my Mondeo for the MoT this morning. Was a bit worried as it's got a de-cat. As it's diesel it didn't need one previously, but the new regs state that a reason for rejection is "A catalytic converter missing where one was fitted as standard".
They either didn't check it, or it's not in force yet, but it passed!
They either didn't check it, or it's not in force yet, but it passed!