R4N SS

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Thinking of gettiong one of these gauges in the car - which is a good accurate one to go for and how much would it be?

Anyone selling a second hand one at all?

bluntys1rsturbo

the aem kit is very good matey, i have one on my car and alot of my mates use them as well, i can get you them at a very good price from efi-parts as he is a fellow rtoc member who runs the company

ajamesc

id rate the stack one its very simple to fit and use / dose as its meant too! before that i had an innovate lm1 set up which was an over complicated load of rubbish that never worked lol

bluntys1rsturbo

iv heard that the innovate isnt the best kit on the market as well

James @ M Developments.

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I like our ECM, bit pricey though lol.

Fiesta_Jed

http://www.rhdjapan.com/neko-corpora...r-system-31063

Not cheap though.

Chip

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I like the innovate DB1, and the one in my car has been very reliable.

although ANY of these cheap kits will need a new sensor now and then costing about half the total purchase price of the kit, so dont be surprised when that happens

dug112y

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Have you used this? Or know anyone that has?

Rod-Tarry

None are accurate enough to rely on Mark has checked the ones in my car against his proper set-up.
The Innovate was declared miles out & the Stack got a well i suppose its better than nothing. It really just fills a hole in the dash but looks good.

R4N SS

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So are these just a gimmick then? I was thinking for engine safety sake, but if they arent that accurate then why waste money on them at all - especially when i will be pulling it all out in a few months anyway

Chip

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It depends what you are relying on them for TBH.

They'll get you into the right ballpark, and they'll show you if anything changes on your car, they generally read within about half an AFR of the Autronic Analyser that Mark uses (and dyno dynamics rollers come standard with)

But for something like mapping your sierra, I agree with Mark totally that they arent upto the job and a proper analyser is required.

R4N SS

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so once the car is mapped - its not really needed - just another paranoia gauge?

Chip

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They arnt just a gimmick, but they also arent something you would rely on when building a 10,000 pounds engine.
They work reasonably well, enough for most enthusiasts, but its no surprise that if you spend 1000s the sort of equipment you can buy is more accurate than if you spend 100s

Chip

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Well if you have a problem with something like a fuel pump starting to fail and not flowing as much as it used to then there are 4 ways to work out that you have a problem really:

1) get your car checked over constantly by someone like Mark to ensure its in tip top condition

2) buy a wideband and notice that its now a lot leaner than it used to be

3) run a fuel pressure gauge

4) melt your engine




They arent needed IF everything is working correctly, much like an oil pressure gauge.

R4N SS

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cheers for the input simon - i have oil press, oil temp and boost gauges, but thinking i should get one of these as a precaution.

I can get my mate to check things over as he does a fair bit on Omex and is nice and local.

so who has one for sale?

Chip

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Problem with secondhand ones, is if they need a new sensor (which happens often) they end up costing more than a new one unless they are VERY cheap to begin with.

ajamesc

I know mines not 100% but its a good indication if some thing gos tits up when im driveing the car hard better to have a gauge to keep an eye on things than to melt a piston if it gos lean on boost or some thing silly!

bluntys1rsturbo

at the last dyno day we did at wgt 4 of our members were running aem widebands and in general they were around 0.3-1.0 afr out compared to there kit

R4N SS

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right so think i better buy a new one then - so who gonna give me a discount then?

ajamesc

Mark sheed said the stack ones read about .5 ish out at full boost

Chip

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The one he tested read that much out, they dont all read exactly that much out or they'd just alter them to read .5 less

The problem with ALL the cheaper ones is that their results vary more than the quality ones do, there isnt a hard and fast rule that all stacks read .5 too high or all innovate read .5 too low though.

ajamesc

i no there not all going to be the same or that there not any wear as good as work shop test gear lol just saying as a rough example

JonnyBravo

Readings could also be affected by sensor location I'd imagine.

SiST

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My brand new innovate gauge kit is still for sale if you want to save some money?

scoooby slayer

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AEM-DIGITA...item3f0499edcf

job done, they are all out abit my car on dyno showed 11 afr, aem shows 11.4, an aem has potentially saved my old rb26 and definately saved the 2jz stroker, an absolute must on any highly tuned car.

scoooby slayer

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come on rod thats not fair at all, there far more than a hole filler, i lost my second fuel pump due to wiring and the aem saved the engine was leaning of the scale, obviously a £5000 one would be ideal but for £130 they are a must for any tuned car imo.

JonnyBravo

Exactly !

What do you run in your car Rod ?

studabear

Any links for the £130 aem?

WongRS

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I've just fitted an AEM one after reading good reviews, just to keep an eye on, it'll show up if something go's amiss, wont it? Like if the fuel pump starts failing ETC, more of an indication than no gauge at all in my opinion.

series_one_rst

mtx-l guage looks ok. still unsure which I want ATM.

snoopaloopa

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Just watch out for the customs charge as well with those ones
I ran an AEM in my old car and will probably run one in my current one when the engine is finished, good enough for simple target graphs etc and lean/rich alarms depending on your ecu.

Fiesta_Jed

The one I posted is not a guage as such, its a tuning tool.

In australia and japan many people including tuning companies use the neko af 700 as there primary afr meter, others use it as a back up for there ecm.

There was a test done that proved that the af 700 gave exactly the ame readings as th dyno dynamics/autronic afr meter.

They are very very good.

scoooby slayer

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ive bought 2 from the same seller, one on my supra and one on my dragster and neither have had customs charges, 2-3 days delivery with fedex, just ask them to value it at $15 commercial sample or gift.

slammedorion

How much? Pm me if needs be

ajamesc

of course it will give you a rough indication as once you have had the car set up by who ever will map it or check it over you will be able to see what the readings are on your gauge then if for some reason they change all of a sudden you know to get the car checked over again properly as you may have a problem

WongRS

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Thats the exact reason i've got mine, so i don't melt it!

R4N SS

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Thats 940 quid i cant spend that on a gauge

AEM it is lol