vtec hype???
23-09-2012, 08:57 AM
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23-09-2012, 09:16 AM
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I'll start off with saying that I do own an Integra DC2 so I am probably slightly biased! 
As alot of people have been saying on this thread the VTEC engine is a very good NA engine. My car is 210 BHP with 144 lbf-ft of torque and weighs 1080 KG 0-60 is around 6 seconds so you can't really say it's slow. To me its not all about the speed/power of a car the overall package counts as well. I have recently replaced every single suspension bush on my car along with the droplinks, ball joints and track rod ends. The handling is now exceptional. I have also updated the brakes so it stops as well. I am still running OEM springs and dampers.
Although alot of cars are faster than me in a straight line I make up for it in the corners. An Evo 2 came flying up behind up behind me a few weeks back and was sat on my rear bumper until we went round a couple of corners. He then over took me on a straight and pulled away a good 100 yards. Again we came to the twisties and then I was sat on his rear bumper. He actually pulled over after that.
The car goes very well on track as well I think a few people were a bit pissed off on my last outing at Castle Combe! They don't like a Japanese NA 1.8 tin box sitting on the ass of their much higher powered car
I actually used to own an Evo 3 a few years ago. It was 382 BHP and was a hell of alot faster than my DC2 but the DC2 is so much more fun to drive even though it is considerably slower.
As alot of people have been saying on this thread the VTEC engine is a very good NA engine. My car is 210 BHP with 144 lbf-ft of torque and weighs 1080 KG 0-60 is around 6 seconds so you can't really say it's slow. To me its not all about the speed/power of a car the overall package counts as well. I have recently replaced every single suspension bush on my car along with the droplinks, ball joints and track rod ends. The handling is now exceptional. I have also updated the brakes so it stops as well. I am still running OEM springs and dampers.
Although alot of cars are faster than me in a straight line I make up for it in the corners. An Evo 2 came flying up behind up behind me a few weeks back and was sat on my rear bumper until we went round a couple of corners. He then over took me on a straight and pulled away a good 100 yards. Again we came to the twisties and then I was sat on his rear bumper. He actually pulled over after that.
The car goes very well on track as well I think a few people were a bit pissed off on my last outing at Castle Combe! They don't like a Japanese NA 1.8 tin box sitting on the ass of their much higher powered car
I actually used to own an Evo 3 a few years ago. It was 382 BHP and was a hell of alot faster than my DC2 but the DC2 is so much more fun to drive even though it is considerably slower.
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23-09-2012, 09:29 AM
#283
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The Missus had one of these Honda things bought it from a 204 year old bloke it went on for years & years a great car. However the word performance cant be used in the same breath. Hondas are for women & old blokes, even older than me 
. Love the Honda boys sticking up for there buzz boxes perhaps they have never driven or been in a mans car.
Hondas have there place same as Ladas & Protons but not as a performance car.
. Love the Honda boys sticking up for there buzz boxes perhaps they have never driven or been in a mans car.Hondas have there place same as Ladas & Protons but not as a performance car
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23-09-2012, 11:02 AM
#285
The Missus had one of these Honda things bought it from a 204 year old bloke it went on for years & years a great car. However the word performance cant be used in the same breath. Hondas are for women & old blokes, even older than me . Love the Honda boys sticking up for there buzz boxes perhaps they have never driven or been in a mans car.
Hondas have there place same as Ladas & Protons but not as a performance car.
. Love the Honda boys sticking up for there buzz boxes perhaps they have never driven or been in a mans car.Hondas have there place same as Ladas & Protons but not as a performance car
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my old one and id sooner own another dc2 than a cossie mine was awesome around a track
23-09-2012, 11:18 AM
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i chased a 500bhp cossie race car around brands and it could only pull away from me on a straight but i would easily catch it under braking and cornering and on that day i happily beat a m3 3.2 race car ! well setup they are amazingly fast on a lap just lack power for the straights
23-09-2012, 11:38 AM
#288
I had a Honda Civic 1.8 VTi from 18 mnths old and had it for about 6 years. I have to say it was an excellent car and certainly wasn't lacking in the performance stakes, it went really well.
Looking back the only thing I didn't like was that you really had to wind it up to get it to move quickly and you could never do this discretely. Other than that it was spot on and didn't put a foot wrong. The only thing it needed in that time was a set if discs and pads and a battery and it was driven HARD.
Looking back the only thing I didn't like was that you really had to wind it up to get it to move quickly and you could never do this discretely. Other than that it was spot on and didn't put a foot wrong. The only thing it needed in that time was a set if discs and pads and a battery and it was driven HARD.
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23-09-2012, 01:09 PM
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i chased a 500bhp cossie race car around brands and it could only pull away from me on a straight but i would easily catch it under braking and cornering and on that day i happily beat a m3 3.2 race car ! well setup they are amazingly fast on a lap just lack power for the straights
Look at what this tool managed to do whilst I was there:
23-09-2012, 02:04 PM
#290
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Allthough I can't speak for every variant of Honda vtec engine, in general I will say they are a very well engineered piece of kit, and in terms of N/A engines, for their respective capacity are in my opinion the best N/A engines out there.
I think in general though the lack of torque compared to a comparable power turbo car, means they get slated, and very unfairly too. At the end of the day with N/A engines, if you want to improve power, revving higher is the main option you have to take! (just look at an F1 engine!)
High bhp N/A engines usually have very large diameter ports and large valves. This makes them capable of very high bhp outputs when turbocharged. (Strength permitting) However very large ports and valves does usually make a turbocharged variant produce less initial torque when coming on boost and usually have a higher boost threshold given a like for like turbo due to this lower initial torque output.
Interestingly I have been building very high revving YB engines for years because this is the most reliable way to get big bhp. One of my typical race YB turbos will make about 340lbf ft torque and 500bhp at 1 bar boost. (Normal rev limit of around 9000rpm through I do build them up to 10,000rpm)
Trying to make big bhp with a YB (I'm talking usual spec YB engines here)through more and more boost doesnt work very well. On pump fuel I have found EGT's go beyond acceptable levels beyond 2.7bar boost. This means either switching to an alcohol fuel, or make the engine turn faster to create higher power outputs.
I think in general though the lack of torque compared to a comparable power turbo car, means they get slated, and very unfairly too. At the end of the day with N/A engines, if you want to improve power, revving higher is the main option you have to take! (just look at an F1 engine!)
High bhp N/A engines usually have very large diameter ports and large valves. This makes them capable of very high bhp outputs when turbocharged. (Strength permitting) However very large ports and valves does usually make a turbocharged variant produce less initial torque when coming on boost and usually have a higher boost threshold given a like for like turbo due to this lower initial torque output.
Interestingly I have been building very high revving YB engines for years because this is the most reliable way to get big bhp. One of my typical race YB turbos will make about 340lbf ft torque and 500bhp at 1 bar boost. (Normal rev limit of around 9000rpm through I do build them up to 10,000rpm)
Trying to make big bhp with a YB (I'm talking usual spec YB engines here)through more and more boost doesnt work very well. On pump fuel I have found EGT's go beyond acceptable levels beyond 2.7bar boost. This means either switching to an alcohol fuel, or make the engine turn faster to create higher power outputs.
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23-09-2012, 08:55 PM
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that looks a nice car mate to be fair.. and as to the turbo civics blowing up you may be right maybe its a shit builds i have seen many turboed ones but all of them smoke and dont last too long.. maybe they need a proper engine builder..as i see that ricky lee has some quick turboed civic.. i say that the vtecs have a better launch than the the turbo cars[ small turbo] because the turbo cars have the power lower in the rev range where as vtec comes in midrange so spins less. integras handle quite well for a car that is out of the box but i still havent had one keep up with my rs turbo .. my rs turbi is a 2.1litre turbo though so may be its wrong comparing the 2 cars ..
24-09-2012, 08:37 AM
#293
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Funny how Harley manages to get dragged into this one as well (Weegazz), being accused of being utter shit.
Now I've had loads of Harleys and loads of Jap/Eurobikes and sure enough, Harleys may be flawed in certain respects but you have to keep in mind wat they are designed for:
Endless cruising over long distances, wich they do very very well.
The later engines (late eighties upowards) have been developed by Porsche and are bulletproof.
Residualvalue is better than anything out there, so how are they shit?
Now I've had loads of Harleys and loads of Jap/Eurobikes and sure enough, Harleys may be flawed in certain respects but you have to keep in mind wat they are designed for:
Endless cruising over long distances, wich they do very very well.
The later engines (late eighties upowards) have been developed by Porsche and are bulletproof.
Residualvalue is better than anything out there, so how are they shit?
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24-09-2012, 10:41 AM
#294
Funny how Harley manages to get dragged into this one as well (Weegazz), being accused of being utter shit.
Now I've had loads of Harleys and loads of Jap/Eurobikes and sure enough, Harleys may be flawed in certain respects but you have to keep in mind wat they are designed for:
Endless cruising over long distances, wich they do very very well.
The later engines (late eighties upowards) have been developed by Porsche and are bulletproof.
Residualvalue is better than anything out there, so how are they shit?
Now I've had loads of Harleys and loads of Jap/Eurobikes and sure enough, Harleys may be flawed in certain respects but you have to keep in mind wat they are designed for:
Endless cruising over long distances, wich they do very very well.
The later engines (late eighties upowards) have been developed by Porsche and are bulletproof.
Residualvalue is better than anything out there, so how are they shit?
On the way back there was a guy on a jap sportsbike who overtook me (I was just cruising at about 110 ish) and funnily enough he stopped every hour or so (I guess to stretch his legs from the less comfy riding position) and I passed him a couple of times and he passed me again etc so we ended up making the same time on the same journey, and I bet I enjoyed it a LOT more than he did.
They are epic for cruising across america etc, just fucking useless in a uk town environment.
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